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#51  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Planeforger: Serraph asked me for a few examples of what I meant in censorship of ideological disagreement.

I noted ERA’s forum because they are a discussion board that tends to lean Left where censorship of ideological wrong-think is prevalent, which is what I was asked for examples on. That is not analogous to claiming that represents the worst of what the Left are capable of, not only by their own measure but of that comparatively to the Right, only that the medium of a forum was most conducive to providing these specific examples.

I don’t think you really need to search hard to see worst past that if that is what is desired, but that extends past the scope of what was asked so I didn’t bother.

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#52 blaznwiipspman1
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probably those marchers and the protestors, the antifa and BLM

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#53  Edited By mrbojangles25
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That's a tough question to answer, especially as an American given how "left" a lot of the Western world is relative to us.

Socially, I'd say any of the "cancel culture" folks. The people that want to tell us we can't call a crazy person "crazy", "nuts", or "batshit insane". Or poor or broke people "poor" or "broke", we have to call them "financially challenged" or something.

Politically, the far/extreme left are people that want either all or the majority of the government to be socialist. With that said, I think the word "socialism" get's thrown around a little too much, even in the case of AOC and "the squad" and especially with any other democrats, because they are not 100% socialist at the least.

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

@techhog89 said:

That depends on the country. In the US, Sanders is considered extreme left. In civilized countries, he's moderate left.

Ouch, dude. Ouch. You saying we ain't civilized over here in the US!? Why I oughta bash your skull in for sayin' that!!!

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#54 palasta
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@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

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Dirtbag Left. One of them even has a site with the same name as an infamous Mexican drug lord.

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@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

What socialist and/or communist threat exists in the US today?

And I mean a serious threat. Existing and saying "I Like communism" is not a serious threat.

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@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

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The left control the presidency, house and senate. They've canceled Republicans right to free speech. And yet here the crazy alt-left is still rioting and looting.

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#60 LJS9502_basic
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@NathanDrakeSwag: No one's right to free speech was cancelled. Show me where the government shut down someone's speech.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: Nobodies free speech was cancelled, and the left control nothing as Democrats are more moderate and Biden is a conservative. Also try not to over exaggerate and paint people with a large brush. You have no right anyway, not after January 6th.

It’s morning in America and Biden is still your president.

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#62  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

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#63  Edited By Zaryia
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The left control the presidency, house and senate. They've canceled Republicans right to free speech. And yet here the crazy alt-left is still rioting and looting.

These people are anti-Democrat and anti-Biden, as even your youtube shows. Same as the Capitol Rioters, who loved Trump.

Seems like Biden is the true law and order person you should love. Every terrorist/rioters hates him!

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#64  Edited By Seiki_sands
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@girlusocrazy said:

@silentchief: Trump canceled everyone who didn't agree with him. At every rally and many tweets he calls out people. Recently he's canceled Liz Cheney and other Republicans are following suit. You have to be delusional at this point to think the right isn't the one that engages in cancel culture.

Trump, Trump, Trump... that's one man and it's all you radicals talk about. The right isn't just Trump. It's not ingrained in their entire culture. He wants to get read of people that impeached him.. that's a bit different then demanding someone be fired because they didn't use the right pronouns.

You are using one man as an example I can use thousands. Sorry it's not even close.

If a scientist said the wrong thing in the briefing room, they went "poof" in a cloud of smoke, canceled and never to be heard from again. My own state's health director was chased out of town during a pandemic with threats against her family, replaced not by a doctor, but a lawyer. At the federal level, the White House always had a crowd of Political Commissars standing watch over the scientists during the briefings, they were being watched. Always watched.

A republican official gets on the wrong side of the orthodoxy, here comes the death threats, the rape threats (if a woman), the anti-semitic threats about ovens (if a jew), and they come in legion, dwarfing anything similar we've seen in politics in the modern era, so save whatever BS whataboutism you're about to engage in.

The response of the right to the Capitol attack was to threaten, and threaten more, and then threaten (If you take any action against Trump you'll make "them" mad, if you let twitter operate itself you'll antagonize "them", if you announce a war on white supremacists' you're attacking the right according to Tucker? Why, does he identify as a white supremecist?).

But you want to talk about shallow BS cancelling, not the heavy shit...OK. Every time in the last four years the right so much as whiffed the scent of political correctness on something they tried to cancel it. A video game has a black or fully clothed female character as default, an action film with a female lead and a gay supporting character...not on your watch, amirite? SJW nonsense I...must...review...bomb...

Leftists brought us Trump? Republicans gave him the megaphone, the right offloaded their sins onto a sick man to use him as a weapon and made sure he had the support he needed to keep going no matter how unfit he proved to be day in and day out. You're now going to abandon your hero? Of course you are, that was always his destiny, it's just sad and pathetic no one ever let him in on the joke.

As for the OT, many of those who self-identify as Anarchists and Marxists, but not all of them, same as always. A fraction of those who identify as Socialists. A subset of those who identify as Antifa, and obviously a lot of these overlap. Are you going to bring spray paint or bricks to the next G8 meeting...then I'm thinking you're an extreme leftist.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

To insinuate people seriously envision AOC and Sanders at the helm of the "communist threat" is... disqualifying. It proves how little you know and how restrained your (world) view is. I had a good laugh.

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#66 Zaryia
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@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

To insinuate people seriously envision AOC and Sanders at the helm of the "communist threat" is... disqualifying. It proves how little you know and how restrained your (world) view is. I had a good laugh.

Who is the communist threat in the US?

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@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

To insinuate people seriously envision AOC and Sanders at the helm of the "communist threat" is... disqualifying. It proves how little you know and how restrained your (world) view is. I had a good laugh.

Who is the communist threat in the US?

Yeah, still waiting for an answer.

Or is there none.

There probably is none.

And people say McCarthyism is dead...

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The local communist party I think.

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So actually guys I was wondering like which officials were holding political office who were democrats that were considered extreme left, and why would they be considered extreme left? These are people that can have political power and influence. For example on the right there is Steven Miller, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jim Jordan, Mike Pompeo. Who would be on the left?

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#70 palasta
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

To insinuate people seriously envision AOC and Sanders at the helm of the "communist threat" is... disqualifying. It proves how little you know and how restrained your (world) view is. I had a good laugh.

Who is the communist threat in the US?

Yeah, still waiting for an answer.

Or is there none.

There probably is none.

And people say McCarthyism is dead...

Then go a read a book or two. Learn about history, learn about communism and try to understand.

Btw. What do you think of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro? Is he a good politician, a good man?

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@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

To insinuate people seriously envision AOC and Sanders at the helm of the "communist threat" is... disqualifying. It proves how little you know and how restrained your (world) view is. I had a good laugh.

Who is the communist threat in the US?

Yeah, still waiting for an answer.

Or is there none.

There probably is none.

And people say McCarthyism is dead...

Then go a read a book or two. Learn about history, learn about communism and try to understand.

Who are the communists of consequence in US Government right now? History books don't discuss this.

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@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Still waiting to hear what socialist or communist threat there is to the US democratic republic.

If @palasta says AOC or Sanders I'm going to have myself a good laugh...

To insinuate people seriously envision AOC and Sanders at the helm of the "communist threat" is... disqualifying. It proves how little you know and how restrained your (world) view is. I had a good laugh.

Who is the communist threat in the US?

Yeah, still waiting for an answer.

Or is there none.

There probably is none.

And people say McCarthyism is dead...

Then go a read a book or two. Learn about history, learn about communism and try to understand.

Btw. What do you think of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro? Is he a good politician, a good man?

Uh oh, looks like we got an armchair intellectual on our hands.

And I asked first: who is the current socialist or communist threat in the United States right now? This is current affairs, not history btw (though history surely influenced it), so no books required.

As for Maduro, we can discuss that after you answer the question.

I really want to know, because you made it sound like there is this dire threat in the US and I'd like to protect my vast tracts of land and gold reserves from the peasantry.

@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:

...

Who is the communist threat in the US?

...

Then go a read a book or two. Learn about history, learn about communism and try to understand.

Who are the communists of consequence in US Government right now? History books don't discuss this.

I don't think he knows.

Probably just regurgitating what his dad told him, who in turn regurgitates what he heard on FOX News (or worse).

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@mrbojangles25 said:

That's a tough question to answer, especially as an American given how "left" a lot of the Western world is relative to us.

Socially, I'd say any of the "cancel culture" folks. The people that want to tell us we can't call a crazy person "crazy", "nuts", or "batshit insane". Or poor or broke people "poor" or "broke", we have to call them "financially challenged" or something.

Politically, the far/extreme left are people that want either all or the majority of the government to be socialist. With that said, I think the word "socialism" get's thrown around a little too much, even in the case of AOC and "the squad" and especially with any other democrats, because they are not 100% socialist at the least.

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

@techhog89 said:

That depends on the country. In the US, Sanders is considered extreme left. In civilized countries, he's moderate left.

Ouch, dude. Ouch. You saying we ain't civilized over here in the US!? Why I oughta bash your skull in for sayin' that!!!

I live here too.

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@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

What are you talking about man?

The Democrat Party is full of extreme leftist, and the Republican party is full of moderate leftist.

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@MK-Professor said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

What are you talking about man?

The Democrat Party is full of extreme leftist, and the Republican party is full of moderate leftist.

What is an extreme leftist?

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@THUMPTABLE: You know, like joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema.

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@MK-Professor said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

What are you talking about man?

The Democrat Party is full of extreme leftist, and the Republican party is full of moderate leftist.

This has to be satire please be satire.

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@zaryia said:
@MK-Professor said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

What are you talking about man?

The Democrat Party is full of extreme leftist, and the Republican party is full of moderate leftist.

This has to be satire please be satire.

They can't think of anyone. I've asked numerous times, numerous days ago, and none of them can name any.

They're just saying what they've been told to say "There's a leftist threat..." but when asked "what leftist threat?" they can't say.

They probably want to say "far left pedophile ring that makes life-extending serums out of children's adrenaline" but I think even they know that's batshit insane.

So ya, it has to be satire that is ironically deadly-serious....or just baseless propaganda.

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#79 mrbojangles25
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@MK-Professor said:
@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

Then you think wrong. Unbelievable how oblivious some people are.

It seems people essentially have no idea what real socialism and true communism is.

There's not many real socialists or communists in the Democrat Party.....

That's mostly scare tactics by the Right.

What are you talking about man?

The Democrat Party is full of extreme leftist, and the Republican party is full of moderate leftist.

Who are the extreme leftists in the Democratic party? And again, AOC and Bernie Sanders are not extreme leftists in the same way the Republicans are extreme right.

And who in the Republican party is moderate, let alone moderate left? Liz Cheney? Voting to impeach Trump doesn't magically make you moderate or left.

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#81  Edited By palasta
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@zaryia said:

Who is the communist threat in the US?

Yeah, still waiting for an answer.

Or is there none.

There probably is none.

And people say McCarthyism is dead...

Then go a read a book or two. Learn about history, learn about communism and try to understand.

Btw. What do you think of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro? Is he a good politician, a good man?

Uh oh, looks like we got an armchair intellectual on our hands.

And I asked first: who is the current socialist or communist threat in the United States right now? This is current affairs, not history btw (though history surely influenced it), so no books required.

As for Maduro, we can discuss that after you answer the question.

I really want to know, because you made it sound like there is this dire threat in the US and I'd like to protect my vast tracts of land and gold reserves from the peasantry.

@zaryia said:
@palasta said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

...

Then go a read a book or two. Learn about history, learn about communism and try to understand.

Who are the communists of consequence in US Government right now? History books don't discuss this.

I don't think he knows.

Probably just regurgitating what his dad told him, who in turn regurgitates what he heard on FOX News (or worse).

The initial quote i replied to wasn't a question. Here is what you said:

@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't think we have any actual far left people of any significance in the US, seeing as far left is essentially communism and real socialism. No, Sanders and AOC don't count. They're left, but not the left like people are scared of (or should be).

You don't think? Do you know or don't you know? Not considering Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ortasio Cortez far left tells me you don't. I know for sure. I don't have to ponder and think anymore. Furthermore, considering history non-essential is another disqualifying feat.

https://sarah2020.com/en/blog/bernie-sanders-endorses-sarah-iannarone/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bernie-sanders-backs-mayoral-candidate-who-declared-i-am-antifa

https://youtu.be/n6kk3P-clM8

I guess AntiFa is not far left anymore.

Maduro far left? Not anymore he is not!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black-activists-nicolas-maduro-harlem_n_560a836fe4b0af3706ddc573

O where art thou, the elusive extremeradicalfar left. O there it is! It's all in the past. Or does it exist at all? I mean, so far there was no trve communism, isn't that right? China is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, but technically the country isn't communist. Some say the Sovjiet Union wasn't real socialist/communist. So, what is this all about? Where is it? What is it? This spectre of the "communist threat" that haunts humanity for over a century now. Are you reading or do you still think?

Isn't it curious. When it's about "the right" people go straight to the most extreme, down history lane, to the German National Socialists. The blood of tens of millions on their hands. Just lump 'em all in there. Like DieZeit has titled "Proud Boys: Mehr als nur ein Neonazi-Schlägertrupp". Even more than NeoNazis? Wow. Then those boys must be really really evil.

Like this guy right here. Just look at this white supremacist posing with his black slaves...

Switch to a debate about "the left" it's all seperate entities completely alien to each other. Then history (books) become irrelevant. Or worse...

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@palasta said:

You don't think? Do you know or don't you know? Not considering Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ortasio Cortez far left tells me you don't.

1. Neither of those 2 are communist or socialist. These are scare tactic buzzwords.

2. A very very small % of Democrats are either of those 2 things, if any at all.

3. US Democrats in general aren't nearly as liberal as the European left wing. They are more center left on average, as shown by Pew.

@palasta said:

O where art thou, the elusive extremeradicalfar left. O there it is! It's all in the past. Or does it exist at all? I mean, so far there was no trve communism, isn't that right? China is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, but technically the country isn't communist. Some say the Sovjiet Union wasn't real socialist/communist. So, what is this all about? Where is it? What is it? This spectre of the "communist threat" that haunts humanity for over a century now. Are you reading or do you still think?

Who are some Democrats that are communists at the moment? I see a few who want policies from UK, Canada, Sweden, and Findland. Not from Russia or China.

@palasta said:

Isn't it curious. When it's about "the right" people go straight to the most extreme, down history lane, to the German National Socialists. The blood of tens of millions on their hands. Just lump 'em all in there. Like DieZeit has titled "Proud Boys: Mehr als nur ein Neonazi-Schlägertrupp". Even more than NeoNazis? Wow. Then those boys must be really really evil.

Nazis were not Socialists, that was just part of the name. Neo-Nazis are a right wing group right now btw.

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Switch to a debate about "the left" it's all seperate entities completely alien to each other. Then history (books) become irrelevant. Or worse...

The US left isn't that far left. The Democrat party has no communist of consequence.

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About Nazism.. I believe the way we use privatisme today comes from Nazi-Germany.