Trump is arriving in the United Kingdom and the 'Trump blimp' is ready to go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44788849
UK Trump visit
You guys can keep him there.............
@horgen said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
You guys can keep him there.............
Along with Boris "Trump" Johnson? I don't think the Brits can handle that. :P
Best case scenario they'd cancel each other out, worst case scenario Europe explodes. Either way it would probably be less painful than waiting for 2020 (and then some...)
@Jacanuk said:
Good for the UK that those far-left muppets didn´t get to stop the visit.
Trump's trip has been downgraded from a state visit (which is what many Brits were opposing) to a working visit.
And just for the record, YouGov polls show that 77% of Brits dislike Trump and only 11% like him.
@Jag85 said:
@Jacanuk said:
Good for the UK that those far-left muppets didn´t get to stop the visit.
Trump's trip has been downgraded from a state visit (which is what many Brits were opposing) to a working visit.
And just for the record, YouGov polls show that 77% of Brits hate Trump and only 11% like him.
Semantics, I love that the sheep think calling it something else will negate the fact that it´s a world leader visiting the UK.
And what does liking him have anything to do with accepting the world leader visiting?
You don´t have to like him to see that having an ally visit is a good thing or accepting it.
@Jacanuk said:
Good for the UK that those far-left muppets didn´t get to stop the visit.
Wow such intolerance to differing opinions. Hard to take you seriously.
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
But May is better than Cobyn so let´s hope he doesn´t get to weasel his way to power.
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
Do you mean that muppet Boris Johnson?
@Jag85 said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
Do you mean that muppet Boris Johnson?
No i meant anyone but Corbyn
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
But May is better than Cobyn so let´s hope he doesn´t get to weasel his way to power.
I don't see Corbyn doing any worse than Theresa May, that would be quite a feat. Anyway like you said, let's wait and see.
Interesting that Labour now move ahead to 39%, while the Conservatives dip to 37% in the latest YouGov poll.
@tryit said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
remind me, why is Brexit a good thing? I forget
It's a good thing from a masochist's perspective I guess.
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
But May is better than Cobyn so let´s hope he doesn´t get to weasel his way to power.
I don't see Corbyn doing any worse than Theresa May, that would be quite a feat. Anyway like you said, let's wait and see.
Interesting that Labour now move ahead to 39%, while the Conservatives dip to 37% in the latest YouGov poll.
Well, Corbyn is for staying, he is for a north Ireland joining Ireland and also for an independent Scotland.
So having him as a leader would destroy the UK and most likely allow for a second referendum about Brexit.
Ya, Labour is moving a bit forward, but YouGov is not the most accurate poll you can find.
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
But May is better than Cobyn so let´s hope he doesn´t get to weasel his way to power.
I don't see Corbyn doing any worse than Theresa May, that would be quite a feat. Anyway like you said, let's wait and see.
Interesting that Labour now move ahead to 39%, while the Conservatives dip to 37% in the latest YouGov poll.
Well, Corbyn is for staying, he is for a north Ireland joining Ireland and also for an independent Scotland.
So having him as a leader would destroy the UK and most likely allow for a second referendum about Brexit.
Ya, Labour is moving a bit forward, but YouGov is not the most accurate poll you can find.
Corbyn is for staying in the single market and customs union, but has thrown his weight behind leaving the EU. You could say he is for a soft Brexit, while many Conservatives prefer a hard Brexit.
I'm not so sure he is in favour of an independent Scotland, or unified Ireland though. I'd imagine most Scots who desire independence would rather vote SNP, than place their trust in Labour over this issue. In terms of a second referendum, at the very least I think allowing people to have a say on the final negotiated Brexit deal before it is accepted can only be a good thing for democracy, no?
Well YouGov accurately predicted the outcome of the last general election, when many others did not. You're right though, polls can be off a bit, but YouGov is at least better than any of its competitors I would say.
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
But May is better than Cobyn so let´s hope he doesn´t get to weasel his way to power.
I don't see Corbyn doing any worse than Theresa May, that would be quite a feat. Anyway like you said, let's wait and see.
Interesting that Labour now move ahead to 39%, while the Conservatives dip to 37% in the latest YouGov poll.
Well, Corbyn is for staying, he is for a north Ireland joining Ireland and also for an independent Scotland.
So having him as a leader would destroy the UK and most likely allow for a second referendum about Brexit.
Ya, Labour is moving a bit forward, but YouGov is not the most accurate poll you can find.
Corbyn is for staying in the single market and customs union, but has thrown his weight behind leaving the EU. You could say he is for a soft Brexit, while many Conservatives prefer a hard Brexit.
I'm not so sure he is in favour of an independent Scotland, or unified Ireland though. I'd imagine most Scots who desire independence would rather vote SNP, than place their trust in Labour over this issue. In terms of a second referendum, at the very least I think allowing people to have a say on the final negotiated Brexit deal before it is accepted can only be a good thing for democracy, no?
Well YouGov accurately predicted the outcome of the last general election, when many others did not. You're right though, polls can be off a bit, but YouGov is at least better than any of its competitors I would say.
Ya, Corbyn is also for a second referendum, or at least he was before the latest election, he may have changed his tune a bit during the campaign to not alienate.
Also didn´t Corbyn visit North Ireland and say there that he for a referendum on a unification? I am sure I read that. And ya i am sure the scottish who are for independence is backing SNP, which is probably why they lost such a huge amount of seats during the last election.
Hmm, YouGov has improved a lot, the idea about them was they did polls by randomly sending out spam emails to people.
Why did trump backpedal? Said to the Sun US-UK deal off, then on camera says more or less a deal will happen.
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
Well, let´s see
But a new stronger leader and someone who is not afraid to do a hard Brexit would be good.
But May is better than Cobyn so let´s hope he doesn´t get to weasel his way to power.
I don't see Corbyn doing any worse than Theresa May, that would be quite a feat. Anyway like you said, let's wait and see.
Interesting that Labour now move ahead to 39%, while the Conservatives dip to 37% in the latest YouGov poll.
Well, Corbyn is for staying, he is for a north Ireland joining Ireland and also for an independent Scotland.
So having him as a leader would destroy the UK and most likely allow for a second referendum about Brexit.
Ya, Labour is moving a bit forward, but YouGov is not the most accurate poll you can find.
Corbyn is for staying in the single market and customs union, but has thrown his weight behind leaving the EU. You could say he is for a soft Brexit, while many Conservatives prefer a hard Brexit.
I'm not so sure he is in favour of an independent Scotland, or unified Ireland though. I'd imagine most Scots who desire independence would rather vote SNP, than place their trust in Labour over this issue. In terms of a second referendum, at the very least I think allowing people to have a say on the final negotiated Brexit deal before it is accepted can only be a good thing for democracy, no?
Well YouGov accurately predicted the outcome of the last general election, when many others did not. You're right though, polls can be off a bit, but YouGov is at least better than any of its competitors I would say.
Ya, Corbyn is also for a second referendum, or at least he was before the latest election, he may have changed his tune a bit during the campaign to not alienate.
Also didn´t Corbyn visit North Ireland and say there that he for a referendum on a unification? I am sure I read that. And ya i am sure the scottish who are for independence is backing SNP, which is probably why they lost such a huge amount of seats during the last election.
Hmm, YouGov has improved a lot, the idea about them was they did polls by randomly sending out spam emails to people.
I think he was, but like you say has changed his views a bit to try and appeal to more voters. Of course that may also end up alienating some of his original supporters who oppose Brexit. So will be interesting to see how the next election goes for him.
Sounds like something he might have said yes. Then again though, you can be in favour of allowing a referendum while still opposing it personally. Remember, May started out as a remainer, and is now responsible for carrying out Brexit. The SNP previously had 56/59 seats going into the last election. That was unprecedented, and could only realistically go down from there. Still though, they currently have more seats than all of the other parties combined in Scotland.
Yeah, they still aren't perfect of course. Their Brexit poll was inaccurate, though they are usually better for general elections. I think the online polls were closest to predicting the actual result for Brexit actually.
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
Ya, Corbyn is also for a second referendum, or at least he was before the latest election, he may have changed his tune a bit during the campaign to not alienate.
Also didn´t Corbyn visit North Ireland and say there that he for a referendum on a unification? I am sure I read that. And ya i am sure the scottish who are for independence is backing SNP, which is probably why they lost such a huge amount of seats during the last election.
Hmm, YouGov has improved a lot, the idea about them was they did polls by randomly sending out spam emails to people.
I think he was, but like you say has changed his views a bit to try and appeal to more voters. Of course that may also end up alienating some of his original supporters who oppose Brexit. So will be interesting to see how the next election goes for him.
Sounds like something he might have said yes. Then again though, you can be in favour of allowing a referendum while still opposing it personally. Remember, May started out as a remainer, and is now responsible for carrying out Brexit. The SNP previously had 56/59 seats going into the last election. That was unprecedented, and could only realistically go down from there. Still though, they currently have more seats than all of the other parties combined in Scotland.
Yeah, they still aren't perfect of course. Their Brexit poll was inaccurate, though they are usually better for general elections. I think the online polls were closest to predicting the actual result for Brexit actually.
YouGov's final Brexit poll was only off by 4% compared to the final result. There will always be a margin of error. In YouGov's case, that margin of error is usually within 5% of the actual result. But in close elections and referendums, a 5% error margin can swing the vote either way.
@Jag85 said:
@mandzilla said:
@Jacanuk said:
Ya, Corbyn is also for a second referendum, or at least he was before the latest election, he may have changed his tune a bit during the campaign to not alienate.
Also didn´t Corbyn visit North Ireland and say there that he for a referendum on a unification? I am sure I read that. And ya i am sure the scottish who are for independence is backing SNP, which is probably why they lost such a huge amount of seats during the last election.
Hmm, YouGov has improved a lot, the idea about them was they did polls by randomly sending out spam emails to people.
I think he was, but like you say has changed his views a bit to try and appeal to more voters. Of course that may also end up alienating some of his original supporters who oppose Brexit. So will be interesting to see how the next election goes for him.
Sounds like something he might have said yes. Then again though, you can be in favour of allowing a referendum while still opposing it personally. Remember, May started out as a remainer, and is now responsible for carrying out Brexit. The SNP previously had 56/59 seats going into the last election. That was unprecedented, and could only realistically go down from there. Still though, they currently have more seats than all of the other parties combined in Scotland.
Yeah, they still aren't perfect of course. Their Brexit poll was inaccurate, though they are usually better for general elections. I think the online polls were closest to predicting the actual result for Brexit actually.
YouGov's final Brexit poll was only off by 4% compared to the final result. There will always be a margin of error. In YouGov's case, that margin of error is usually within 5% of the actual result. But in close elections and referendums, a 5% error margin can swing the vote either way.
That is not bad, but as i said they changed a lot from the days of their mass-spam email polls.
Or maybe the way they do it by mass-spamming people is the way to do polls.
@Jag85 said:
@Jacanuk said:
Good for the UK that those far-left muppets didn´t get to stop the visit.
Trump's trip has been downgraded from a state visit (which is what many Brits were opposing) to a working visit.
And just for the record, YouGov polls show that 77% of Brits dislike Trump and only 11% like him.
You know, I've been wondering if the UK has always been somewhat disdainful of Trump even before he was running for president. Especially when he was seen attending a Sinn Fein (aka the IRA's political branch) fundraiser in New York during the 90's
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Jag85 said:
Trump's trip has been downgraded from a state visit (which is what many Brits were opposing) to a working visit.
And just for the record, YouGov polls show that 77% of Brits dislike Trump and only 11% like him.
You know, I've been wondering if the UK has always been somewhat disdainful of Trump even before he was running for president. Especially when he was seen attending a Sinn Fein (aka the IRA's political branch) fundraiser in New York during the 90's
I think it's safe to say that most Brits, and most non-Americans, didn't even know who Trump was a decade ago. What Trump was previously most famous for in the US, The Apprentice, didn't feature him at all in international versions, with the UK version instead featuring Alan Sugar as the boss man.
Most Brits, and most of the world, only became aware of Trump after he entered politics. And most Brits clearly didn't like what they heard from Trump, because his political rhetoric clashes with mainstream British values as well as British hate speech laws. If he wasn't running for presidency, then he likely would've been banned from the UK for hate speech; the UK Home Office has the right to ban foreign hate preachers, but not heads of state (hence Trump was saved from the UK ban hammer). Many Americans might have an issue with the hate speech laws in the UK and other European countries, but it's worth keeping in mind that it's largely the result of Europe historically suffering the devastating consequences of fascist hate speech in the past (i.e. World War II).
@Random_Matt said:
Why did trump backpedal? Said to the Sun US-UK deal off, then on camera says more or less a deal will happen.
Because he is a moron. He can't think for himself. He needs others to help him out.
@Jag85 said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Jag85 said:
Trump's trip has been downgraded from a state visit (which is what many Brits were opposing) to a working visit.
And just for the record, YouGov polls show that 77% of Brits dislike Trump and only 11% like him.
You know, I've been wondering if the UK has always been somewhat disdainful of Trump even before he was running for president. Especially when he was seen attending a Sinn Fein (aka the IRA's political branch) fundraiser in New York during the 90's
I think it's safe to say that most Brits, and most non-Americans, didn't even know who Trump was a decade ago. What Trump was previously most famous for in the US, The Apprentice, didn't feature him at all in international versions, with the UK version instead featuring Alan Sugar as the boss man.
Most Brits, and most of the world, only became aware of Trump after he entered politics. And most Brits clearly didn't like what they heard from Trump, because his political rhetoric clashes with mainstream British values as well as British hate speech laws. If he wasn't running for presidency, then he likely would've been banned from the UK for hate speech; the UK Home Office has the right to ban foreign hate preachers, but not heads of state (hence Trump was saved from the UK ban hammer). Many Americans might have an issue with the hate speech laws in the UK and other European countries, but it's worth keeping in mind that it's largely the result of Europe historically suffering the devastating consequences of fascist hate speech in the past (i.e. World War II).
Eh. He wasn't unheard of before he entered politics. I think I he had an episode in Scotland over some golf course he wanted to build. Also Miss Universe I think.
@Jag85 said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Jag85 said:
Trump's trip has been downgraded from a state visit (which is what many Brits were opposing) to a working visit.
And just for the record, YouGov polls show that 77% of Brits dislike Trump and only 11% like him.
You know, I've been wondering if the UK has always been somewhat disdainful of Trump even before he was running for president. Especially when he was seen attending a Sinn Fein (aka the IRA's political branch) fundraiser in New York during the 90's
I think it's safe to say that most Brits, and most non-Americans, didn't even know who Trump was a decade ago. What Trump was previously most famous for in the US, The Apprentice, didn't feature him at all in international versions, with the UK version instead featuring Alan Sugar as the boss man.
Most Brits, and most of the world, only became aware of Trump after he entered politics. And most Brits clearly didn't like what they heard from Trump, because his political rhetoric clashes with mainstream British values as well as British hate speech laws. If he wasn't running for presidency, then he likely would've been banned from the UK for hate speech; the UK Home Office has the right to ban foreign hate preachers, but not heads of state (hence Trump was saved from the UK ban hammer). Many Americans might have an issue with the hate speech laws in the UK and other European countries, but it's worth keeping in mind that it's largely the result of Europe historically suffering the devastating consequences of fascist hate speech in the past (i.e. World War II).
Hmm, Trump was pretty well known to the world and UK if you go by the fact the UK has the apprentice which they got from the US version, not to mention all the roles Trump had in movies and the Miss Universe.
But i guess it´s all up to the person and how much they follow popular pop-culture
@tryit said:
@mandzilla said:
Trump has succeeded in making Theresa May look incredibly weak during this visit. I can't see her lasting much longer now.
remind me, why is Brexit a good thing? I forget
It's not, majority of brexit votes were either misinformed raceist old people, or old people trolling the next generation
@Jacanuk: @horgen:
Let's put the numbers into perspective, from a decade ago:
Trump's biggest success story in the UK was licensing the UK Apprentice. And the UK Apprentice was the Alan Sugar show, not the Trump show, with Trump never shown or ever mentioned on UK Apprentice. Only a small fraction of UK Apprentice viewers would've known about Trump. Furthermore, UK Apprentice itself peaked at about 10 million viewers, which is still a minority of the UK population.
Nothing else Trump did ever reached the heights of UK Apprentice. Miss Universe couldn't even manage a fraction of its ratings, due to the UK's own Miss World being more popular. And his movie appearances were bit-parts, with almost none of those movies being blockbusters in the UK.
While a couple of millions knew who Trump was in the UK, most of the British population didn't know who he was. It was after he got involved with politics, sparking controversy and grabbing headlines, that most of the British population gradually became aware of Trump. Which left a negative first impression. And the same is true for most of the world.
@Jag85 said:
@Jacanuk: @horgen:
Let's put the numbers into perspective, from a decade ago:
Trump's biggest success story in the UK was licensing the UK Apprentice. And the UK Apprentice was the Alan Sugar show, not the Trump show, with Trump never shown or ever mentioned on UK Apprentice. Only a small fraction of UK Apprentice viewers would've known about Trump. Furthermore, UK Apprentice itself peaked at about 10 million viewers, which is still a minority of the UK population.
Nothing else Trump did ever reached the heights of UK Apprentice. Miss Universe couldn't even manage a fraction of its ratings, due to the UK's own Miss World being more popular. And his movie appearances were bit-parts, with almost none of those movies being blockbusters in the UK.
While a couple of millions knew who Trump was in the UK, most of the British population didn't know who he was. It was after he got involved with politics, sparking controversy and grabbing headlines, that most of the British population gradually became aware of Trump. Which left a negative first impression. And the same is true for most of the world.
Completely forgot about Miss World. You haven't missed anything by not knowing who he was.
@Jag85 said:
@Jacanuk: @horgen:
Let's put the numbers into perspective, from a decade ago:
Trump's biggest success story in the UK was licensing the UK Apprentice. And the UK Apprentice was the Alan Sugar show, not the Trump show, with Trump never shown or ever mentioned on UK Apprentice. Only a small fraction of UK Apprentice viewers would've known about Trump. Furthermore, UK Apprentice itself peaked at about 10 million viewers, which is still a minority of the UK population.
Nothing else Trump did ever reached the heights of UK Apprentice. Miss Universe couldn't even manage a fraction of its ratings, due to the UK's own Miss World being more popular. And his movie appearances were bit-parts, with almost none of those movies being blockbusters in the UK.
While a couple of millions knew who Trump was in the UK, most of the British population didn't know who he was. It was after he got involved with politics, sparking controversy and grabbing headlines, that most of the British population gradually became aware of Trump. Which left a negative first impression. And the same is true for most of the world.
Well, there is also the Trump plans in Scotland,
But ok as I said you need to be aware of the pop culture to know who he is.
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