Trump says Putin meeting 'may be the easiest of them all'

because putting thousands of classified documents at risk (and potentially national security) is the same as a traffic violation.

compared to what we already know about the Trump Campaign?

yes

why? because nobody has any idea whatsoever what is in those emails, for all we know they were automated notifications from gamespot forums

We do know some of it was classified documents

as the guy who brought down major Russian Spies in the last decade in a show that lead to The Americans he said (paraphrased) 'its not uncommon for their to be mishandling of classified information'

1. there are several levels of sensitive ranking, 'classified' is one of the more benign ones

2. they were deleted, not handed over to the Russians

3. this has been looked at already at great length and at great expense and the Trump investigation already has reveled more damaging inforation then the ENTIRE Hillary investigation for Both emails and Bengasi

trump investigation currently has 20 indictments, 2 people in jail and 5 guilty PLEAS (that means they said 'yes sir I am guilty') but you think better time should be spent investigating a person who is no longer in government?

No i agree that they should both be investigated, but comparing using her own insecure email (its not about she deleted them but she use her own email which she knew was wrong) to a traffic violation is idiotic. She is guilty of that or do you really think it was legal. She should be charged for that crime. Its not okay to allow people to choose who gets punished and who doesn't. We should all be treated equal or do you deny this? If trump himself gets a pardon id be saying the same thing about him. They others in the trump investigation that are guilty should be charged to the full extent aswell.

its only 'idiotic' because people on the Right NEED extreme examples to break their %^&*( brainwashing.

this obsession over this email thing is just beyond absurd, there are much more important things to be worried about right now

I love how if anyone disagrees with you their instantly on the right. I also love how you agree you're idiotic

Glad to see you realize that's a problem..........so tell me why is it okay for trump to discuss sensitive information in the dining room of Mar a Largo and use his smart phone to disseminate the information?

ok well, back on topic.

The email issue PAILS by comparison to what has already been found in the Russian investigation when it comes to concerns of national security. She isnt even in goverment anymore! no idea what was in those emails, they were DELETED! not handed over to the Russians for christ sake!

But they all wernt deleted where they. Thats how we know for a fact they were classified.

I dont know but all this talk is really starting to get me to want to look into the exact details of this email thing.

because yesterday a right winger said something that I took on faith to be accurate but it was factually wrong, I should have known better. so are you suggesting I read up on it in Wikipedia so I know all the details? if I do that for you, will you please read up on the Russian investigation as well?

@tryit: I can agree to that debate suspended till tomorrow?

given that someone on the right made a claim about the email investigation that turned out to be completely false when I looked it up I will have to demand you provide evidence to any claim you make about the email story.

in the meantime what can I do to encourage you to get educated on the Russian investigation? there is a lot of information to digest

@tryit: its all good, i know how to read news, i tend to use multiple sources on both left and right and stick away from far leaning. My declarative memory is very good but thats offset by terrible episodic memory.

I strongly encourage you to get more educated on this Russian thing.

I understand bias, I have my own. I tend to pay less attention to scandals, hearing and investigations when it involves democrats. Mostly because I dont want to loose my day to listening to things about blue dresses but on the other side sometimes it leaves me a bit out of the fact loop on that side.

however, i dont think there has ever in the history of this country ever been an investigation more in depth and widespread and nefarious as the Russia/obstruction investigation. So I do encourage you to look more into it and do so with an open mind, security of the country is a real threat here

@tryit: "why? because nobody has any idea whatsoever what is in those emails, for all we know they were automated notifications from gamespot forums"

It could have been... But why did she first refuse to hand over the server, and then have someone delete 30,000 supposively personal emails. Even without bias, it's obvious she was hiding something. Maybe it had to do with her foundation. Who knows... We never will because she had someone delete them. The FBI should have raided her place and took the server before she could wipe any "personal" stuff off there. Then she would have been in the clear, at least from those accusations. It was a bone head move. It could be nothing, but logic points to her hiding something, and something big. Either way, she lost Americans trust over it, and it partly cost her the presidency. I highly doubt if she got a speeding ticket, anyone would bat an eye toward that. Definitely not comparable. If Trump is found guilty, then yeah, it'll be worse. But like I said before, this investigation has been going on for awhile now and nothing on him. If he's as stupid as everyone claims, he would have been caught by now. My opinion.

Two stories

One story: we have known emails, we have known conspirators, we have guilty pleas, we have indictments, we even have people in jail, we have an actual paper trail

Second story: we have nothing other than assumptions and 'maybe' isms

which is more important? a story where we have hard facts or one in which we are trying to turn what we think is 'possible' into it being a fact because we think it COULD happen

'we dont know what is in the email thus it could be the most important thing in the unisverse' is not a good basis to work from

and how is that not a bias on a level that is frankly perverse

@tryit: I'm actually genuinely curious what your theory is on the Trump and Russia thing. Like, are you saying Trump used Russia's help in the election? If so, how? And what was promised to Russia for helping, if that's what this is about? Do you see America and Russia allying? Just give me your theory on what happen, how it happened, and what's going to happen(if Trump is found guilty and if Trump is found not guilty).

your questions tell me you dont know much about the existing facts of the case (which is fair but useful to understand. If you did you would fully understand why the comment I am about to make is not remotely outragerous

'I think its extremely unlikely that Trump did not give the go ahead on the offer the Russians made to Trump Jr and staff regarding helping with the election'

we know for a FACT that close members of Trumps cabinet were approached by Russians with offer to collude and we also know those people were fully aware that it what highly questionable if not out right illegal.

incidentally i learned just today that the indicments that came today are somewhat required to be a first step before indicting U.S. Citizens.

because they would have to proove that the Russians in question are working with the Russian goverment, these indicments do that

I have a question for you and I'm generally curious. Do you think trump was clueless about his campaign ties to Russia including those of his son? Do you really think Jr wouldn't tell his dad? Doesn't trump present himself as hands on and knowing what's going on?

@LJS9502_basic: Short answer, yes. I don't think Trump is that dumb to not know what's going on. I also think every person in power is corrupt in some way. And I think this is being blown up because Trump is disliked by the media. Last I heard, Russians used Facebook to discredit Clinton, or something along those lines. Is the accusation that Trump promised Russia something in return? Didn't Hillary also have ties to Russia? We've already been through this, but both candidates are corrupt and suck... As do all politicians in my mind. I'm not sure what Trump's end goal for running for president is. But I like that he's rattled up America... Something it needed. And I don't mean dividing it. People divide themselves. Like I don't hate you or tryit or anyone else for their political views at all. Although sometimes they seem forced. I can only speak for myself here, but if people are anything like me, I had zero interest in politics before Trump. I hated politics in fact. Now I have some interest although still just a little. But at least I'm a bit more aware of what's going on now than I was before. Even tryit said he hasn't voted in 25 years but is planning to this time... Good for him. I will not be voting, just like I never have before in my life. Personal preference.

I dont agree with that which is in bold.

I dont think it was needed and I think he has made America a complete embarrassment and put our creditably at risk.

you make some good points around the question of Russia and all and in fact, maybe one could argue that an alliance with Russia might actually be a good thing. that is even a conversation I could approach with an open mind. But what bothers me is the dismissive of the known facts, nearly lying from his base, and moral equivalency on things that are completely absurd.

I would MUCH rather have a conversation on the question of 'yes he/they likely did but is that really a horrible thing?' rather than 'Hillays imaginary email content is worse. that is just a silly equivalency

@tryit: Hey, we seem to agree on stuff. My problem on here is I use it just like system wars... Mostly trolling and rooting for one team over the other because it's for some reason fun. Guess I need to stop that. It's just hard to have a serious conversation about politics on a gaming forum lol. Actually the news channels are even more at each other's throats over politics. It's like, geez, we each have opinion, beliefs and feelings toward different things... And that's ok. That's good. No need to argue over who's right. Anywho.. got work to do. Oh and I know you don't anyways, but don't take my political stuff seriously.. anything religious I usually don't joke about though, but there's no religious forum here soooo ? lol

He has a hand in the division. When you have someone in power saying it's okay or making it an us vs them dialog that increases division. Also America doesn't need this mess. Do you really think damaging the country is a positive? Also I vote all the time so my interest is not forced. I believe in citizens having a voice in their government and I'm not trying to attack you but apathy and indifference do nothing positive for the country. Perhaps if some of you had voted in the primaries we may have had a different choice. I'm not a proponent of GWB for instance but I also didn't think he was absolutely a huge mistake for the country either. Some bad choices we can live with............some can harm the country.

While I like that your voice is silenced in theory.............I'd rather you did vote.

If Kim Jong Un can use Trump like a fool, then he's easy work for Putin.

I hear this a lot from the left, but what exactly is Kim "little rocketman" doing to make Trump look like a fool?

@Jacanuk:

Kim Jong Un is not going to de-nuclearize, and Trump is a fool for believing him. The Kim family has been making similar empty promises since the '90s, while secreting ramping-up nuclear production. Recent evidence shows that Un is doing the same, making empty promises in public while secretly ramping-up nuclear production. And after witnessing what happened to Gaddafi after disarming Libya, it's highly unlikely Un would consider doing the same thing.

The purpose of Un's meeting with Trump is to be legitimized by an American president, and to reduce sanctions on North Korea. And Trump has handed him what he wants on a silver platter. If Trump got played by Kim Jong Un, then Putin is playing Trump for an even bigger fool.

Ok, so has any sanctions been lifted? also, I think North Korea and Kim is pretty indifferent to what the world thinks about them and their leader and not having a meeting would not make Kim any less legitimate in the place it matters, North Korea.

But I don´t think even Trump believes that North Korea will give up their nuclear capabilities if they actually have any.

Anyways the point of this summit was not to make a mountain disappear in one stroke but to get talking, and the funny thing here is as you saw with Blue and others, if the meeting didn´t happen you guys would have complained and call Trump a failure for not taking the chance and that Japan and South Korea would be upset over the missed opportunity.

At the end of the day, the US and North Korea talking is not just making the Korean peninsula a bit safer, but also the world.