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#1 blaznwiipspman1
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Heres a CNN story on the legal issues trump is facing. I honestly think he should just do a presidential pardon of himself if biden wins. Theres so many claims of tax evasion, tax fraud, the rape cases, selling out the presidency for personal profits, conspiring with russia/ukraine. Trump became president, but honest I have no idea what he was thinking. You can't become president if you are a criminal underneath, the fact that he decided to do it when hes so shady is just completely foolish. I believe 100% that trump did NOT expect to win, he just wanted to trash as many politicians as he could on the way out. Somehow he became popular beyond his wildest imaginations, and even though he knew he would expose himself if he did it, he still decided to go ahead and do it anyway.

I like trump, I think hes good for the country overall, but if he loses the election....well, hes going to be screwed hard. I mean going to prison.

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Yeah, wishful thinking from the Commie News Network. I hear they had a highly contagious and chronic form of TDS sweep through their studio about 4 years ago. You'd be doing yourself a great disservice listening to their propaganda.

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Yeah, wishful thinking from the Commie News Network. I hear they had a highly contagious and chronic form of TDS sweep through their studio about 4 years ago. You'd be doing yourself a great disservice listening to their propaganda.

CNN might be a propoganda site and largely BS, just like fox and a bunch of right wing sites as well, but the lawsuits and allegations, the criminal investigations are definitely real.

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Here you go, a copy of the suit filed in the NY court. The defamation accusation literally says "Trump accused her of lying" after she made false accusations against him. Unless she can prove she wasn't, which she can't, has never done, and never will, there's no case for Trump saying she's a liar. Oh, but that CNN article didn't mention this, did they?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6538591/2019-11-4-Submitted-Complaint-9-2-1-2.pdf

The rest of the complaints are by the coup clutz clan from earlier this year, and the new accusations, yet again, are over policy disagreements they have no authority over.

So yeah, Trump isn't going to jail when he's out of office.

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@blaznwiipspman1: In what ways has Trump made the US a better country?

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Trump is not just going to prison. His businesses will all be destroyed and his children will also be ruined, possibly imprisoned as well. He must be made an example of, so no one ever thinks about doing again, what Trump did.

Trump has been involved in some pretty shady stuff for a long time. Long before he got in to politics. If he had just stayed being a big donor, and not invaded their sandbox and rocked the boat, he would have never been investigated or prosecuted.

But the political establishment's vengeance will be furious and wide reaching. Anyone deemed too close to Trump, and not being sufficiently repentant and contrite, will be destroyed as well.

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Lock him up!! Lock him up!! Lock him up!! Lock him up!!

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

I like trump, I think hes good for the country overall,

Looks at economy. Looks at one of the worstCovid responses for a modern nation. Looks at global standing. Looks at climate policy from science studies.

Confused.

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@zaryia said:
@blaznwiipspman1 said:

I like trump, I think hes good for the country overall,

Looks at economy. Looks at one of the worstCovid responses for a modern nation. Looks at global standing. Looks at climate policy from science studies.

Confused.

Look at the division and violence because of it.

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How has Trump bettered America in his time as president?? I’d like to see him in jail.

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How has Trump bettered America in his time as president?? I’d like to see him in jail.

Isn't he campagning as if he wasn't the president the last 4 years?

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I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

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@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

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@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

No he should not.

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@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

I was unaware that presidents regularly tend to do crimes. I mean real crimes and not what their opponents label as crimes.

@LJS9502_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

No he should not.

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How has Trump bettered America in his time as president?? I’d like to see him in jail.

His supporters will never admit it but he gave them free reign to be more racist in public that's what they love about this Country now he made America great again for racist.

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#18  Edited By mattbbpl
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@Sushiglutton: Yep. It's disturbingly common in the modern era.

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@Sushiglutton: No. Trump wouldn’t do that for anybody else, in fact he has tried to get people thrown in jail multiple times. Try him, convict him, lock him up.

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Lock him up! Lock him up!

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@Sushiglutton said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

I was unaware that presidents regularly tend to do crimes. I mean real crimes and not what their opponents label as crimes.

Pretty much every president from Nixon on has done something deeply questionable if not outright illegal. It's long past time we reign in the position. A president is not a king and treating them like some sort of unassailable being is why the executive has consolidated so much power in recent days.

In Trump's case, it's not even a question of doing it for the right reasons, doing it for America, or hell, even doing it for empowerment in some cases. Trump just breaks the law like it's going out of style. Lest we forget the time he defaced a national weather projection and tried to pass it as real, which is illegal and so utterly petty.

It's like breathing to the guy. I'd be amazed if he knows how to do anything through strictly legal means. Probably breaks the law somehow on his way each morning to dump-tweet time... I mean... 'executive time.'

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Yeah, wishful thinking from the Commie News Network. I hear they had a highly contagious and chronic form of TDS sweep through their studio about 4 years ago. You'd be doing yourself a great disservice listening to their propaganda.

I agree with you, CNN is just like FOx news, is a propaganda outlet. But sadly, trump is a criminal and most likely will have charges waiting for him once he is no longer president :(

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@mattbbpl said:

@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

A..men. I mean separating children from their parents is down right evil.

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@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

The law should not be upheld when Republicans break it, right?

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@horgen: The doesn’t exist to Republicans

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@horgen said:
@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

The law should not be upheld when Republicans break it, right?

Didn't you get the memo? Republicans are above the law.

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@Sushiglutton: "Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal."

Yeah, no. **** that. If it comes down to needing a presidential pardon from Biden I say don't give him one.

For the record, I don't see jail in the future of any president. That's just not how the American justice system works, but if families deserve justice in the case of murder so that they can heal, a country deserves presidents going to jail for crimes committed so it can heal, not pardons and looking the other way.

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#28  Edited By Sevenizz
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Why do people watch CNN? Even if you don’t like Trump - do you not know CNN is mostly fake news? Why waste your time? Watch Maddow or something. At least she smirks at her own ridiculousness. CNN actually thinks their BS is real.

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Yeah, let's throw people in jail if they are not pre-approved by one of the two controlling parties. That'll teach voters a lesson about wanting someone different for a change. Imagine what they'll do if a third party ever got too big. We should punish all third party candidates too to keep them where they belong.

Nobody can name a crime he's actually guilty of sooooooooooo.... not happening.

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@Sevenizz said:

Why do people watch CNN? Even if you don’t like Trump - do you not know CNN is mostly fake news? Why waste your time? Watch Maddow or something. At least she smirks at her own ridiculousness. CNN actually thinks their BS is real.

Actually that's Fox news that is the most fake it's a right wing propaganda network that continues to lie just like Trump.

Granted this is a old article but Fox lies the most.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2015/jan/27/msnbc-fox-cnn-move-needle-our-truth-o-meter-scorec/

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@warmblur: Lol ‘most fake’. Regardless of what your feelings are about Fox News, the OP linked CNN and their credibility is shoddy. Let’s keep on topic here because your distraction is unnecessary.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/

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@Sevenizz said:

@warmblur: Lol ‘most fake’. Regardless of what your feelings are about Fox News, the OP linked CNN and their credibility is shoddy. Let’s keep on topic here because your distraction is unnecessary.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/

FYI bias does not mean fake.

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#33  Edited By warmblur
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@Sevenizz said:

@warmblur: Lol ‘most fake’. Regardless of what your feelings are about Fox News, the OP linked CNN and their credibility is shoddy. Let’s keep on topic here because your distraction is unnecessary.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/

Not talking about bias you said fake news and that is still Fox news they lie more then CNN.

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@Sevenizz: No, their credibility is fine and way better than Fox. You only hate it because it doesn’t blindly worship your dear leader.

Stop attacking the source and focus on the actual story. You only attack the source if you can’t disprove the story.

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@LJS9502_basic: @thegreatchomp: @warmblur: This isn’t a Fox News story does why do you keep deflecting?

Deflecting? Seems to be what you are doing.......I never mentioned Fox News. Straw man.

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Not sure if he deserves to go to prison. I would like to see some demonstrable proof.

Total moron, narcissist, pathological liar, scumbag? Check. Check. Check. And Check.

The amusing thing will be when virtually everything he has done is unwound, his bevy of trolls and incompetents is fired, and his presidential history is written as a giant stain on America.

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Not sure if he deserves to go to prison. I would like to see some demonstrable proof.

Total moron, narcissist, pathological liar, scumbag? Check. Check. Check. And Check.

The amusing thing will be when virtually everything he has done is unwound, his bevy of trolls and incompetents is fired, and his presidential history is written as a giant stain on America.

You people are going to have a real meltdown when he wins another 4 years, aren't you?

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in general they get pardon.

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@eoten said:
@SUD123456 said:

Not sure if he deserves to go to prison. I would like to see some demonstrable proof.

Total moron, narcissist, pathological liar, scumbag? Check. Check. Check. And Check.

The amusing thing will be when virtually everything he has done is unwound, his bevy of trolls and incompetents is fired, and his presidential history is written as a giant stain on America.

You people are going to have a real meltdown when he wins another 4 years, aren't you?

Well I don't know about Americans, but I think he is pure scum AND I like watching him burn down your dysfunctional society. It's great entertainment. Marshmallows while Rome Washington burns?

I especially like this as I am a fiscal conservative/social liberal in my country and it amuses me to see your non-believing, non-practicing, fake Christian pander to the American Taliban and their 10th century social conservative beliefs on the one hand, while simultaneously abandoning any sense of fiscal prudence on the other hand. It is so laughable. This guy is not a Republican, does not represent either wing of that party, and has precisely zero coherent policy.

He is exactly as Ronald Reagan's son called him and his family today: grifters.

I'm in a win-win situation here 😀

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@SUD123456 said:
@eoten said:
@SUD123456 said:

Not sure if he deserves to go to prison. I would like to see some demonstrable proof.

Total moron, narcissist, pathological liar, scumbag? Check. Check. Check. And Check.

The amusing thing will be when virtually everything he has done is unwound, his bevy of trolls and incompetents is fired, and his presidential history is written as a giant stain on America.

You people are going to have a real meltdown when he wins another 4 years, aren't you?

Well I don't know about Americans, but I think he is pure scum AND I like watching him burn down your dysfunctional society. It's great entertainment. Marshmallows while Rome Washington burns?

I especially like this as I am a fiscal conservative/social liberal in my country and it amuses me to see your non-believing, non-practicing, fake Christian pander to the American Taliban and their 10th century social conservative beliefs on the one hand, while simultaneously abandoning any sense of fiscal prudence on the other hand. It is so laughable. This guy is not a Republican, does not represent either wing of that party, and has precisely zero coherent policy.

He is exactly as Ronald Reagan's son called him and his family today: grifters.

I'm in a win-win situation here 😀

That is exactly why he was elected.

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The person who should worry about prison is Biden. From all reports he was involved in a number of kick back schemes while he was a senator and vice president. As much as the news media is trying to run cover for him the story is coming out with new evidence being reported every day.

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And amazingly the left still hasnt learned a thing from the 2016 election, can't say I'm surprised though.

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@zaryia said:
@blaznwiipspman1 said:

I like trump, I think hes good for the country overall,

Looks at economy. Looks at one of the worstCovid responses for a modern nation. Looks at global standing. Looks at climate policy from science studies.

Confused.

In your opinion what type of response should have been enacted?

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@horgen said:
@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

The law should not be upheld when Republicans break it, right?

Of course not. And I’m not a republican btw (not even American). I’m an atheist who is very concerned with climate change and support abortion, but don’t like guns. So I would be a terrible republican 😂.

@daredevils2k said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

A..men. I mean separating children from their parents is down right evil.

You can disagree on policies like that, but it‘s not a crime. A president do so many things. If you are too nit picky you would make whoever is president scared to act, which would be worse. It’s also a bad precedent to go after old political opponents with the law.

Nixon was pardoned, no?

If Trump loses that’s enough. Don’t make a martyr out of him.

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@Sushiglutton said:
@horgen said:
@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

The law should not be upheld when Republicans break it, right?

Of course not. And I’m not a republican btw (not even American). I’m an atheist who is very concerned with climate change and support abortion, but don’t like guns. So I would be a terrible republican 😂.

@daredevils2k said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

A..men. I mean separating children from their parents is down right evil.

You can disagree on policies like that, but it‘s not a crime. A president do so many things. If you are too nit picky you would make whoever is president scared to act, which would be worse. It’s also a bad precedent to go after old political opponents with the law.

Nixon was pardoned, no?

If Trump loses that’s enough. Don’t make a martyr out of him.

Trump tried to go after Obama with the law. ,

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@Sushiglutton said:

@daredevils2k said:

A..men. I mean separating children from their parents is down right evil.

You can disagree on policies like that, but it‘s not a crime. A president do so many things. If you are too nit picky you would make whoever is president scared to act, which would be worse. It’s also a bad precedent to go after old political opponents with the law.

Nixon was pardoned, no?

If Trump loses that’s enough. Don’t make a martyr out of him.

He wouldn't be a martyr. Republicans are dropping him like hot shit the instant he's out of office, and they'll move to pretend they never liked him while deflecting to how bad democrats made the economy even though they've had overwhelming control of the government for the last 4 years.

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#48 topgunmv
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@Sushiglutton said:
@horgen said:
@Sushiglutton said:

I think the people in power realize that putting Trump in prison will just divide America more. That short satisfaction is not worth it. Just move on and do constructive things.

Biden should pardon Trump if necessary as a gesture. It’s time to cool down and heal.

The law should not be upheld when Republicans break it, right?

Of course not. And I’m not a republican btw (not even American). I’m an atheist who is very concerned with climate change and support abortion, but don’t like guns. So I would be a terrible republican 😂.

@daredevils2k said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Sushiglutton: We keep saying that every time a president commits crimes, and we're then shocked when presidents commit crimes.

We need to hold them accountable.

A..men. I mean separating children from their parents is down right evil.

You can disagree on policies like that, but it‘s not a crime. A president do so many things. If you are too nit picky you would make whoever is president scared to act, which would be worse. It’s also a bad precedent to go after old political opponents with the law.

Nixon was pardoned, no?

If Trump loses that’s enough. Don’t make a martyr out of him.

Presidential pardons don't give him carte blanche, they only cover federal crimes. There's something like 14 states going after him for state crimes, and given his confrontational approach to many of their governors, I wouldn't expect many gubernatorial pardons heading his way.

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#49 mrbojangles25
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I'd rather we go after his family, to be frank.

When Trump is out, he is out. Can't really do much more harm. But his kids and extended family? They can still run for various state and federal positions and even the presidency as well. If they are at all corrupt then we need to know and take action.

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#50 Maroxad
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@horgen said:

Trump tried to go after Obama with the law. ,

Two wrongs don't make a right. We both know how violent the far right is. Better to just leave him be, perhaps focus on investigating his family.

If Trump should get into legal action for his many crimes, it is better it is done on a state level or by private individuals, that should at least give democrats some plausible deniability. Nawar al-Awlaki deserves justice. But Biden going after him could be far too risky.