Trump Called 'Mass Murderer' After White House Docs Show He Lied About Recent Covid-19 Surge

Trump Called 'Mass Murderer' After White House Docs Show He Lied About Recent Covid-19 Surge

The congressman who released the reports said they reveal "Trump's contempt for science and refusal to lead during this crisis have allowed the coronavirus to surge."

Not only did the administration fail to honestly inform the nation, Trump held several so-called superspreader rallies and other events in September, including in states hit hard by surging Covid-19 infections, such as Minnesota, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.

On October 1, Trump declared that "the end of the pandemic is in sight." The following day, he announced that he and First Lady Melania Trump had tested positive for coronavirus.

The reports also show that the White House was fully aware that the number of states in the so-called "red zone"—where new coronavirus cases rose above 100 per 100,000 people and where more than 10% of test results were positive—soared from 18 on September 13 to 31 on October 18.

On October 19, Trump told campaign staffers on a phone call that "people are tired of Covid... People are saying, 'Whatever. Just leave us alone.' They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots," a reference to National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/20/trump-called-mass-murderer-after-white-house-docs-show-he-lied-about-recent-covid-19

#RELEASE: @COVIDOversight Releases White House Reports Contradicting President Trump On Testing, Masks; Reports Show 31 States Are in the “Red Zone,” All 50 States Need More Testing. #COVID19

That's going a bit far. I'd personally just say grossly incompetent.

Question: Do you play videogames? Looking through your post history is nothing but anti Trump propaganda and a strong pro Biden stance

Are you one of those bots I keep hearing about - assuming it’s even possible to answer that honestly?

A lot of time and effort go into each of your posts too. I’m guessing you copy/paste them on multiple sites - or gather them from someone else? I like politics and all - but you take it to a whole different level. One might think - influential?

He creates a thread with content to discuss, provides his opinion on it... And you have a problem with that?

To be more on topic. @zaryia I can see why someone would call him a mass murderer, however I do agree more with calling him grossly incompetent, perhaps with malicious intent even.

@Sevenizz: It can and does get boring talking about games. Only game forum with any decent activity is SW.

Wouldn't that equate to mass murderer though? If you have malicious intent then you know what you're doing is wrong.

@horgen: I’ve been called a racist (I’m in a minority group too, btw), homophobe, alt right, nazi, Russian bot, etc etc and the mods don’t bat an eyelash (none of which are warranted other than I share a different political view than most here). I make a reply questioning suspicious activity of a user and within minutes of hitting post, a mod shows up?

Again, it’s a question - not an accusation.

Lol @ commondreams.org as a source. Gonna need a less biased source unless you want responses from right wing biased sources.

What is there to discuss about a biased article that should be labeled "possibly misleading" by social media standards and put in the same category as some sensationalized Breitbart article.

Given the governers were responsible for their states response, that the "article" was written by a left bias source, and is decidedly one sided in its presentation of "facts", the claims of "murderer" or "maliciously incompetent" are not properly supported. Essentially, the article does not provide reliable evidence in support of its conclusion thus a discussion on the degree of the conclusion is not possible.

If we don't need a centralized government then why do we have one? trump is president. He is responsible for the country and should have had a strong message in January/February at the latest. He did NOTHING.

1. Alt-tabbing for 30 seconds every few hours is hard!

2. What's wrong with being pro-Biden and anti-Trump? It's a popular stance, more popular then the other way around.

3. This is the Politics section, don't be a snowflake.

Yes, because bots post verified fact checkers and peer reviewed studies.

Glad you notice I'm so damn good that I must be just copying this from someone else.

I don't think the intention was to kill, but to not help.

Oh no, a liberal congressman has something bad to say about Trump. Stop the presses!

I mean, these documents are 220,000x worse than your fake "Don't vote for Hunter!" story.

The reports also show that the White House was fully aware that the number of states in the so-called "red zone"—where new coronavirus cases rose above 100 per 100,000 people and where more than 10% of test results were positive—soared from 18 on September 13 to 31 on October 18.

On October 19, Trump told campaign staffers on a phone call that "people are tired of Covid... People are saying, 'Whatever. Just leave us alone.' They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots," a reference to National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

At what point does one realize his policies cause death and should he not reverse that course?

Neither him or Republicans do not seem to care it appears.

exactly!!! Especially what he told Bob Woodward and now 8 months later acting like the virus isnt serious.

"Mass murderer" is overkill IMO, but it is pretty clear there is a direct correlation between the US's "anti-mask culture", the severity of COVID, and Trump's poor response to it that he can be directly blamed for a lot of it.

No, Trump did not cause COVID, but he did make a bad situation much much much worse.

I hope he is held accountable to some extent when he is out, or finds Jesus or humility, and offers up some sort of genuine apology for being such a terrible human being.

Republicans are slowly but surely throwing Trump under the bus, but not fast enough imo. They have a lot to lose if Trump loses, not just the presidency, either.

The Blue Wave is coming, friends, prepare your off-shore bank accounts because socialism is coming :P

Be less good at posting, bro, it will increase your credibility...

Always the victim, even though the right essentially controls everything now lol. I really don't understand how you folks can have such a victim complex and yet you guys won!

As for the whole "I've been called a ___ before" I get it, you're not racist, I believe you....but the reason people associate the right with racism, bigotry, etc is because when something racist or bigoted does occur, you guys are like "Well, gee, uh, was it really racist? Maybe he was just misunderstood, or...." you don't condemn shit for fear of alienating the racists and bigots that do exist and support your cause.

It's because the right is full of emotional cowards. They don't take a stand on important issues, and they double-down on the stupid ones.

Science? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO get outta here!

Possible KKK member? Hey, woh, let's give this guy the benefit of the doubt here. Why you lefties so mean? This guy is a victim wah wah wah

@Sevenizz: All your post are anti Biden propaganda and pro trump stance.

So like Russia and Iran then......

Didn't say we don't need a federal government. The federal governments job is to take care of things that are "great and agragat" while the state governments job is to take care of things that are "local and specific". PPE distribution and international travel restrictions = federal government; shutdowns and mask requirements = state governments.

@headtriphippie:

We pay federal taxes and should sure as hell get a concise, scientific statement on how to deal with a pandemic. You know like all the other countries have been doing. So tired of apologists not expecting the damn president to deal with a pandemic. And worse, being okay with him making it worse.

We pay state and local taxes as well. Should our local and state governments not bear some responsibility for the situation we are in?

The President has a role and the state/local leadership has a role. I have not stated that the President bears no responsibility, only that the President does not bear the sole responsibility as the article implies.

"Worse" is a relative measurement depending on what you use as a baseline. If one were to use the models based off "no actions taken" the projections for deaths were in the millions so 200k+ is not "worse". I have not seen anyone post that they are "ok" with the President making things worse, only arguing against the premise that he made it worse.

Republican senators disagree:

In an interview that was broadcast on CNN, Dana Bash posed a question to Iowa Senator Joni Ernst over her then-criticism of former President Obama back in 2014 when there was an Ebola outbreak, in which she stated that Obama expressed failed leadership based on a total of 2 deaths in 2014.

Also, so does trump:

Trump tweeted that “President Obama has a personal responsibility to visit & embrace all people in the US who contract Ebola!” On Oct. 23, 2014, he kept ramping it up: “If this doctor, who so recklessly flew into New York from West Africa, has Ebola, then Obama should apologize to the American people & resign!”

Ostensibly the role of the Federal Government is to provide what the governors need when they request it. Like Gavin Newsom (governor of California) said he did:

“We’re involved in 68 lawsuits with the Trump administration. I’ve been on your show. I haven’t been timid. He certainly hasn’t been timid. But I got to say this. It’s just a fact. I’d be lying to you. I’d be lying to the American people. Every single direct request that he was capable of meeting, he has met,” Newsom said. “This has been a remarkable moment where at least we have been able to rise above that partisanship.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492324-california-governor-praises-trumps-efforts-to-help-state-amid

Or like Cuomo said:

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is never shy to point out that President Donald Trump attacks him more than any other governor in America.

But on Monday, Cuomo took to an unlikely venue -- The Howard Stern Show -- to offer genuine praise for the president's response to the coronavirus in his home state.

"He has delivered for New York. He has," Cuomo said of Trump, in response to a question from Stern about whether the president has really done anything of consequence to help.

"By and large it has worked," Cuomo said of the relationship."

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/he-has-delivered-for-new-york-cuomo-praises-trumps-coronavirus-response/2371465/

It's funny though - the closer it gets to the election, the more it turns into shifting blame.

The reality is, without exercising exceptional powers, all of this is largely a State affair in your country. Each State has the autonomy to deal with the problem as they see fit. Things like the Stafford Act and the Defense Production Act have been leveraged to take some more direct action but, at large, Trump's response has been "This is a State issue - the Federal Government is just here to provide aid where needed." Until it was to their political advantage to say otherwise, the leaders of two of the most prominent States in the Union were openly satisfied with what he had done.

Trump could use this opportunity to exercise far reaching, borderline dictatorial powers - but he's not, like my glorious leader Trudeau tried to do ( https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/corbella-trudeaus-attempted-power-grab-an-alarming-breach-of-trust/ ). He's leaving States their autonomy to deal with it as they see fit. What's ironic is that the people who scream "DICTATOR!" when the guy does damn near anything that impinges on State autonomy are now screaming "WHY WON'T HE DO MORE?" when he leaves it up to the states. But don't worry - we all believe that you hacks wouldn't be back to screaming "DICTATOR!" the moment he did the types of things you're now complaining he's not doing ;)

The nakedly, shamelessly, self-serving partisanship of many complaints about the Orange Buffoon really are shocking from an external perspective. Given the tone and consistency of the complaints I see from many of you, it strains credulity that more than a tiny fraction of you have earnest complaints about him that wouldn't immediately turn to praise if he was someone with a D in front of their name. The fact that New York doesn't get recognized for the utter disaster that it is, largely the Governor/Mayor's fault, says all one needs to hear about how honest the critique of the response of various levels of government are.

All of this yammering here is political posturing. It'll be a rare poster here who wouldn't do a 180 on their critiques if the party affiliations were shifted. You're not fooling anybody but yourselves.

In the event of that, you'd be screaming "Government overreach! Contradicting State mandates! THE STATES HAVE A RIGHT TO HANDLE THIS AS THEY CHOOSE WHATEVER THE CHEETO DICTATOR SAYS!" Go figure, as someone who lives in a country with a much stronger Federal government than you guys have, it always shocks me how ignorant of how your own government is set up that you people pretend to be when you've got a partisan bone to pick.

Stuff like this really rings hollow when this is the guy that the other side supports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJpnGCHtnA

Decades of laws targeting racial groups, a litany of blatantly racist comments and attitudes for decades...

The guy is even a poster boy for #MeToo related issues, but somehow that all gets shuffled under the rug.

Sorry to the Democrat supporters out there but this "But you don't condemn racists/sexists/whatever!" card lost most of its force when you ran Joe "You ain't black! Racial jungle!" Biden as your candidate. The only people you're convincing with this type of line are the hyperpartisans with their heads firmly lodged up their posteriors. Around here though, using that card means you know your audience though ;)

So setting a good example equals overreach to you? That's ludicrous. I look at how other developed nations handled this and see the US failing because there are too many voices and not one unified voice. And I'd criticize and leader no matter the party if they did that.

Given the virtually unilateral nature of your posting, regardless of issue, I find this statement completely unbelievable. I have yet to see more than a hint of evidence that we need to look beyond the political alignment of the politician performing an action to figure out how you're going to weigh in on it. I will say, bonus points - you even started with attributing a statement on me that I didn't make, just to remain true to form.

Why not go by what trump himself has said?

Trump tweeted that “President Obama has a personal responsibility to visit & embrace all people in the US who contract Ebola!” On Oct. 23, 2014, he kept ramping it up: “If this doctor, who so recklessly flew into New York from West Africa, has Ebola, then Obama should apologize to the American people & resign!”

Why bother? The guy is the definition of a BS'er, and I (frankly) don't think he's all that smart. He's also wantonly inconsistent, so I don't trust what he says, particularly on Twitter. It's a sad state that you people (assuming you're an American) let him get to the top office in your land.

A paper by philosophy Harry G. Frankfurt Entitled "On BS" (sub in full word for BS) sums up my perspective on Trump's relationship to the truth. It's quite different from the usual politician's. You should give it a look - it's a fun read. Won't post full title here, or a link to it, because the title contains the full word represented by "BS."

(passage from it)

"It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing BS requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the BS'er, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose."

Why wax on about the truthfulness of a guy whose relationship to the truth is thus?

I am not an American, silly assumption.

Why? People assume I'm American (I'm not) and I don't think it's silly at all. We're sitting here holding each other to task on the character of a foreign politician. Seems perfectly reasonable to assume someone who does this is American, with the caveat that one might be wrong.

Politicians making political statements against political opponents is not a rebuttal.

Forcing lockdowns and mandates that go against the constitution and that federal government has no authority over the states on? Yeah, it would be. It was left up to the states to handle and some states (like Michigan and NY) who had the strictest mandates, failed the hardest. If you're so concerned about the death toll, talk to Cuomo, the federal government gave him everything he asked for.

'What is good for the goose is good for the gander' is a perfectly good response in this instance especially as you are defending the person quoted.

No it's not. Do you need me to explain why?

you don't need to, you have double standards, no explanation is necessary.

Then I suggest you have zero clues on my political stance.

Straw man.

Yes yes, you're just a conscientious objector, some sort of centrist, voted for Romney, no affiliation to the any party but rather the truth or what's right or blah blah blah... Seems like a perfectly reasonable, etc.

I don't really care what you like to justify your wanton partisanship to yourself with, but the ship has sailed for you appearing as anything but one of the most nakedly partisan people on this board. People calibrate their damned political compasses by where you come down on issues.

Right because I can see that trump isn't good for my country........that makes me partisan. Seriously being open minded is a good thing. Your narrow views apparently are the only view in which you see the world though. So no sense in discussing anything with you.

Prove double standards, you can't. You clearly do need me to explain why, and and also don't really understand what you were replying to in the first place.

A hint: my comments were were about the claim that the President bears sole responsibility for our current situation. Politicians blaming each other dosen't change the way the constitution lays out who has what responsibilities.