Trump attacks the Squad, goes horribly for him.

Seriously, once again Trump attacks the Squad, they hit back, then he says something stupid, just like last month, and this time, AOC (and Pressley) wasn't much of a factor as she was on vacation.

First time around, the was a "feud" between AOC and her squad against Pelosi, and during that feud, the squad especially AOC was able to hit Trump hard on the horrific conditions at the migrant camps, leading Trump to snap with his "go back to your country" tweet. This ended the "feud" and in the Squad's favor, Trump got rebuked by the House, then he doubled down at a rally allowing a chant and his poll numbers dropped. Get racist, way to go....lol

Now Ilhan and Tlaib got under his skin while he helped convince Israel to deny them a visit to the country. I am going to say this, he must have saw Omar's Jewish allies, and so he made one of the worst comments of his presidency, basically implying that the majority of Jews who vote are stupid or disloyal. Once again, the Squad was able to annoy and even confuse Trump.

Trump's and the GOP's quest to make the Squad the "face" of the Democratic party is not only failing to work and even is backfiring due to Trumps wild, erratic, and offensive attacks, the numbers do not support this strategy whatsoever. According to numerous YouGov polls, the Squad is more popular (or less unpopular because almost every major politician in this partisan environment has net unfavorably) than Trump or Congressional leadership and has similar ratings to the top Dem candidates (although Warren may be more liked with close to even favorability, but Biden's numbers are plummeting). And AOC, who definitely is the most powerful and well known of the Squad has only slight unfavorability (-3 to -5), despite her being the most hated figure for Republicans, as well as Republicans knowing her more than Democrats. She can easily go into plus territory and has room to do so. Trumps attacks on her squad actually improved her numbers.

The numbers and polls suggest that Trump should have stayed with attacking Pelosi and Schumer, who poll even worse than he does while polls showing Americans still view them as the face of the party. But yet not only does he choose a much stronger and difficult target, but attacks them in a way that draws condemnation, and failing miserably while the sisterhood drops one emoji takedowns and laugh chains on him.

INB4 trump supporters come in completely not understanding how and why these comments are a problem.

Also this somehow completely overshadowed trump declaring himself the “chosen one” and “the king of Jews “ just hours earlier.

Also Rudy Giuliani is still the worst lawyer in the country after Avanatti

https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1164160112585576449?s=21

“Trump Accuses Jewish Democrats of ‘Great Disloyalty’ - The New York Times. This is routine for NYT and J St. But really disappointed a rep of ADL would feign confusion about @realDonaldTrump’s statement. POTUS is referring to disloyalty to Israel.”

Considering the fact that Matt Groening was named in the Epstein documents, with him allegedly getting a foot massage from an underage girl while on the Lolita Express, it wouldn't surprise me if that video was just made to distract from it. The comments for the video are not friendly towards the video at all at all and almost all of them mention Epstein.

As for what Trump is doing, fewer and fewer people are buying the claim that Omar and Tilab are not anti-Semetic, no matter how much their biggest supporters may be trying to defend them. Making them the face of the party makes it harder for Democrats to claim that they are the party against bigotry when they literally have two of their most popular lawmakers pushing the BDS movement.

This reads like a comic book story. Give Trump a latex costume and let's do this properly.

It already is.

Because right wingers like to comment on everything that involves the Squad.

If Omar and Tlaib, and even AOC, was so antisemitic, then why do they have Jewish allies, including Bernie Sanders? Why was IfNotNow behind Omar and Tlaib? Why did Jews vote overwhelmingly for Omar in her district? And what led Trump to say something completely stupid?

Next, BDS isn't antisemitic, its just that its called that by pro-Israel defenders who stand by and defend Israel's human rights atrocities and its racist policies. And people need to recognize the fact that Jews can be racist too.

Why do they have Jewish allies? Probably more because of political convenience than anything else. Pro-life Christians that would normally be against someone like Trump because of his previous sex life and multiple marriages are going to support him as long as he's the guy trying to defund Planned Parenthood versus the Democrats stating that abortion is a human right that should be paid for by their tax dollars.

Can Jews be racist? Sure, just like white people can be racist, Asians can be racist, and black people can be racist. But that doesn't change the fact that more and more people are coming out and saying those two women are anti-Semitic to include some Trump-hating Democrats. Even Jerry Nadler, who wants to impeach Trump by any means necessary, called them out in a tweet (he also insulted Trump so it wouldn't be totally against half of the squad):

In Tliab's attempt to defend the right to boycott Israel, she literally compared boycotting Israel to boycotting Nazi Germany. The women didn't even acknowledge Israel on their itinerary, they only mentioned on the itinerary that they were going on a trip to Palestine despite flying into Tel Aviv. She begs Israel to let her in so she can see her grandmother possibly for the last time, and when they grant her request she says never mind, she isn't coming. Almost like she was hoping they would say no and when they said yes she had to switch gears and find another way to insult Israel.

And this is a guy that wants Trump gone so bad that he actually wants a recession to happen if that is what it takes to stop Trump from getting reelected. Are you saying that 93% of Democrats are wrong about the BDS movement being anti-Semitic?

If you want to keep white knighting for the squad, especially AOC, then that is you prerogative. But those women are not beyond reproach by any means.

@ad1x2: You are pulling things completely out of your ass.

Yes, some Democrats have criticized Omar and Tlaib, but many have defended them as well, such as Bernie Sanders, who is also Jewish. You aren't getting this. In fact, IfNotNow has been a huge vital ally as its Jews criticizing Israeli policies, and may even be able to crack support for Israel among Dems. And Nadler is dead wrong about Carlos Latuff, and in fact should learn something from him. He actually also will have a progressive primary challenger along with Engel, who has been downright nasty to Omar.

Next Tlaib didn't go see her family in Palestine because her family talked her out of it so she can take a stand, so stop being selective in your argument.

As for Bill Maher, he is a known Islamophobe, and a strong supporter of Israel. Also he pulls another number out of his ass. Dems in congress may overwhelmingly support Israel, but the party base is moving away from that support. And, yes, those Dems are wrong. Guess what? I am not a Democrat and I actually hate the party (just hate them less than the GOP). The reason I support AOC, Omar, and Tlaib, is that they, in practice, act like independents. I like it when AOC criticizes the Democratic party.

Once again, the Squad are called antisemitic because idiot defend Israel on everything establishment scumbags cannot tell the difference between legit criticism and hatred towards Jews. Their reactions to Omar's tweets show this. They jump to conclusions instead of actual reading things,and they attempt to shut down any argument by accusing their opponents of racism. This is a known tactic that is now called out by Bernie Sanders and IfNotNow.

@texasgoldrush: It's like you have a school yard crush for AOC, its very weird and unsettling.

Interesting. Does that mean those of you defending trump have a weird school yard crush on him. It's really the only thing that makes sense actually.

It seems pretty obvious that you just aren't going to get it. Democrats do not have the numbers to successfully dominate the country with far-left politicians like AOC. The country as a whole is not California. The members of the Squad are not in the same ballpark as people like Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema, and those two would have been destroyed by their GOP opponents if they tried to be as far to the left in West Virginia and Arizona as the members of the Squad in their districts.

No, they don't act like independents. Most independents do what is necessary to maintain support from both sides and adapt both Democratic and Republican policies. I said most, because Bernie Sanders is an independent in name only rather than calling himself a Democratic Socialist like he really is. If you were independent you would consider positions from both sides, but your posts say otherwise.

Keep saying that those two aren't acting anti-Semitic, and let that be the hill you want to die on. Political correctness and fears of being called racist or Islamophobic is what is keeping a lot of people from criticizing Tliab and Omar, and what was most likely the reason the attempt to criticize Omar's remarks a few months ago was changed to a generic condemnation of bigotry without naming her directly.

Well, you have to admit she is a very attractive woman no matter how stupid many of her ideas may be. Makes it a lot easier to white knight for her and defend her no matter what she does.

Many of us are willing to criticize Trump when he does something stupid, such as his remarks about Jewish people that vote Democrat. Your hatred of him blinds you to our criticism and if we don't say with every single post that we believe Trump is the worst thing to ever happen to the country (even worse than slavery, the Civil War, segregation, going through two world wars, and 9/11) then we have undying loyalty to Trump.

What a rousing defense of your position.

Trump is bad, but at least he's not 9/11.

Truly inspiring.

@texasgoldrush said:

@SolidSnake35 said:

This reads like a comic book story. Give Trump a latex costume and let's do this properly.

It already is.

Lets not encourage violence here. For anyone taking this serious.

Way to miss the entire point of my post...

No I'd say I nailed it frankly.

"Trump doing x is bad but not as bad y, therefore I am still in the right."

Rinse and repeat a trillion times.

@texasgoldrush: If I didn´t know you were just out to stir the troll-pot I would actually care and respond in a more proper way but considering the facts.

This thread is just hilariously popcorny.

I hate to have to break it down like I'm talking to a child, but I guess I have to.

LJS claimed that the Trump supporters on this forum worship Trump in response to vffighter telling texas he must have a huge crush on AOC because of how adamant he defends her no matter what.

I told him that the vast majority of us have criticized Trump for things he has done wrong, but his TDS is so bad that anything less than absolute scorn for Trump and acting like he was the worst thing in history to happen to this country means you are a far-right white nationalist (even if you're not white) that worships him like a deity.

Somehow, you missed the point that I was saying and saw it as me claiming that Trump is good because he isn't 9/11 bad. If that's how you want to see it, then that's your prerogative.

You're breaking it down as a child, not like you're speaking to one. Fixed that for you.

Also it changes none of what I said, you're an apologist literally all of the time. Whatever "point" you were making is obfuscated by that reality.

Yeah I don't see much criticism of him here and that includes your posting history. But congrats on listing major negatives and then patting yourself on the back for your defense of trump. Whataboutism………….hahahaha

Unforunately, his criticism of the "squad" is not going bad for him. That probably boosts his popularity amongst the older demographic. It may help him distract the public and win the next election by painting them as his opposition as opposed to his opponent in the election.

Eh that only appeals to his base and he can't win with just his base.

The critic of the "squad" is only bad for Trump and the republicans because they are giving them the PR spotlight, just wait until Trump is gone and you will see them get more radical to capture the same spotlight.

Does it though? I think it appeals to a lot of the average Americans too. Anyone with a brain knows that the most of the mainstream news has an agenda to demonize him. His criticism of the "Squad" and any flak he gets from the media for it has no bearing on the daily life of an American.

The economy is still the #1 priority.

Then you haven't been paying attention to average Americans.

2016, here we go again... ;)

@ad1x2: You do not know what being independent means. Yes, many are moderates, but independents can be on all sides of the spectrum. Ross Perot for example, was quite conservative.

AOC acts like a left wing independent, voting against her own party on some spending bills, and will vote against her party and criticize them if need be, kind of like how Ron Paul did with the Republicans. Was Ron Paul a moderate? Absolutely not. But he acted like an independent. Justin Amash is an independent, but he is no moderate.

And AOC is pretty much a civil libertarian (but not an economic one) who would and has, worked with Freedom Caucus members on certain issues and may work with Ted Cruz on curbing lobbying after service in Congress. She does anti-establishment bipartisanship, not establishment bipartisanship.

And once again, without referring to inference, how were Omar's comments antisemitic? How were they explicitly antisemitic like Trumps were?

@Karnage108:If the economy is the #1 priority, then Trump is about to lose on this priority.

Numbers disagree. The Squad's favorables improved, Trump's fell in July. And majorities in all polls called his tweet and the chants at his rally "racist".

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it. This guy needs to seek help before he goes to the next phase of obsession and starts to stalk her.

2019 is nothing like 2016. But keep your head buried.

Or maybe I agree with 95% of what she believes in or what she stands for. How about that?

And its so much fun watching her idiot detractors routinely own goal themselves trying to go against her.

http://filesforprogress.org/memos/battleground_favorability_8_22.pdf

What do you know....in battleground districts, AOC has better numbers than all public figures other than Warren, and maybe due to California bias (as many of these swing districts are in California), Harris, who she matches.

Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer are far more unpopular. AOC has better numbers than Biden as well.

And it shows Warren, not Biden, is the most liked (or least disliked) candidate in swing districts.

@texasgoldrush: LOL it´s so funny to watch you try to pump up AOC.

Its so funny watching those who hate AOC and the squad ignore key facts that disprove their arguments against them.

And it is so funny seeing AOC more popular than the GOP and even centrist Dems in swing districts.

Let´s be clear here AOC and "the Squad" are not more popular than GOP and the democrats.

You can post some random shit poll made up by some far-left ANTIFA site but come on with real polling made properly and we can talk.

@Jacanuk: Its not a random poll, and its results on Trump are in line with most other polls.

And routinely in YouGov/Economist polls and a couple others, AOC is more popular (or less unpopular) than her party, the GOP, and Trump. And polls routinely show her being known by more Republicans than Democrats.

Everytime I hear the term " the squad " it makes me cringe.

I’m very familiar with what it means to be an independent. AOC is not an independent, she is a registered Democratic Socialist. If you want to say she acts like a left-wing independent you’re a little off the mark. She obviously has good intentions, and I’ll never take that away from her, but some of her ideas are more for feel-good purposes than anything else.

In a recent interview during the New York radio show Ebro in the Morning, she implied that migrants have a human right to enter the United States because of past actions of the country. With over 600 million people living between the US-Mexican border and the southern tip of South America alone, how are we going to fit even a fraction of those people she believes have a “human right” to be here? I’m not talking about land space, I’m talking about resources.

Even Barack Obama said at one point that illegal aliens from Central America should not be bringing their children here, and now people are acting like enforcing our immigration laws are racist, with AOC one of the biggest voices leading the charge.

@ad1x2: She acts like a left wing independent the same way Ron Paul acted like a right wing independent. This cannot be denied. She also has been as critical of her own party as Ron Paul was his. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have as well, also democratic socialists. And with Pressley, all have ran independent like campaigns and defeated establishment democrats, in AOC and Pressley's case, incumbents. They ran off not on Donald Trump, but the failures of the Democratic party.

You simply put, have a wrong impression of independents. They can be all over the political spectrum, despite them "centering out" in polling. In fact, independents who vote in open Democratic primaries heavily favor Bernie Sanders, not centrists like Biden or in 2016, Clinton.

Next its a human right to seek asylum, she is not wrong on this. She is also right that our actions regarding Latin America are leading to more migrants. And Obama does not have a good immigration record and is one of the major criticisms progressives have with Obama is on how he handled immigration, which in turn leads to effective attacks on Biden.

And really, if Dems were smart, they would actually listen and take heart in what she has to say.

She is right on how Dems have messaging and communication problems, that "safe" options do not bring out turnout, that voters are far less ideological than press and pundits lead you to believe, and that just because her district is heavily Democratic, doesn't mean that voters love the Democratic party.

Of course, she is /facepalm.

But I do get that you have some high school crush on her for some strange reason which is fine, we can´t all pick our attractions.

Agreed. We should not, for example, give Jac a hard time for pining deeply over orange peanuts. It wouldn't be right to shame that as part of this discussion.

Funny, the problem with your assumption is that it´s a lie and I could not give a frag about Trump, My only concern is that no crazy-ass "progressive democrat" get into the white house.

Cmon man you don't need to hide it we all know you only advocate for Trump because of your undying infatuation with wrinkly fake tanned dudes and obesity.

But I do get that you have some high school crush on him for some strange reason which is fine.

@Jacanuk said:

@Vaasman said:

Cmon man you don't need to hide it we all know you only advocate for Trump because of your undying infatuation with wrinkly fake tanned dudes and obesity.

But I do get that you have some high school crush on him for some strange reason which is fine.

Memes only prove I'm right :D

I wouldn’t exactly say ‘horribly’. The so-called ‘Squad’ does have their fair share of detractors and will probably be blamed when the Democrats lose 2020.

I didn’t say that AOC claimed migrants have a human right to apply for asylum, I said that AOC claimed migrants have a human right to enter the United States, period. Seven billion people on this planet and if half of them want to enter the United States, according to AOC we better start making room and if you think otherwise you’re a bigot. During the most recent immigration raids, AOC was literally tweeting methods immigrants that received final orders for removal, as in received due process and were subsequently ordered to leave the country, could use to evade capture. What would happen to a politician that was tweeting methods people convicted of getting an DUI could use to evade arrest and imprisonment to serve their sentences?

Based on what I have seen and heard from AOC, I will conclude that she is a good person that wants what she believes is best for the country. But that doesn’t mean she gets a free pass when she starts pitching ideas that are just really, really bad. Veteran Democrats like Nancy Pelosi aren’t going to fall all over themselves trying to change just because a young politician that has a few million Twitter followers told them that she thinks she knows better than them. And no, calling her an independent doesn’t make her an independent, especially when she herself says she is a Democratic Socialist. Bernie Sanders claims he’s an independent (although he is seeking the Democratic nomination for president) and very few people would even entertain the idea that he isn’t pretty far to the left.

By the way, if you have a crush on her then just say you have a crush on her. Nobody is going to throw you under the bus just because you think she is pretty. They will throw you under the bus for acting like she is a political genius that is so far above the rest of the Democratic Party that she’s destined to be president in the next ten years, if not as soon as 2025.

@ad1x2:Well, look at her district, that is what her constituents elected her to do, protect immigrants. Her district has large amounts of immigrants, so immigration is her top issue, along with housing, in her focus on issues in her district. Her actions in response to the threat of ICE raids probably locked in her re-election, if it hasn't already been locked in. Next, the majority of the country actually supports paths to citizenship for illegal immigrants, not ICE raids and evictions. So, AOC is in step with the majority of the country.

Veteran Democrats like Pelosi also have terrible approval ratings. Pelosi is actually one of the least popular major politicians in the country, even less popular than Trump. Only Mitch McConnell is worse. And you really still do not realize that being an independent is a broad spectrum, from the democratic socialist left to the libertarian or nationalist right. But what do I know, I am only a left leaning independent. While AOC is not an independent, she acts and talks like a left leaning independent, a libertarian socialist, not a party loyalist Democrat.

So far, she actually has outfoxed her opponents and it would be very highly idiotic to underestimate her skills, talents, and intelligence or her uncanny ability in leading her opponents to stumble. And her ability to utilize social media and impact the conversation on issues nationally and even globally, also cannot be underestimated. Outside hiring Saikat Chakrabarti to her office, she has made very few mistakes as well, far less than I thought she would, and those few mistakes weren't costly either. And no, I actually do not think she will be president in 10 years, but its blind stupidity to say that she is not a very powerful and influential political figure that can transform the Democratic party.

Wow, more stupidity from AOC opponents.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/12/aoc-ad-tv-photo-on-fire-new-faces-gop-pac-republicans

Another GOP own goal. And this woman needs to learn the real facts about the Khmer Rouge and the Cambodian Genocide, as well as Reagan's support for the Khmer Rouge (after they were overthrown) and how communist Vietnam stopped the genocide.

And its AOC, not the GOP, that comes away better with this. Funny how this failed candidate for congress is from Fresno. I guess she did not learn the consequences the minor league baseball team there faced when they accidentally ran a video with a nasty attack on AOC in their stadium