Tens of thousands missed the DACA renewal deadline

https://apnews.com/066a1d9f4ba14ad0b3f41f95ed140150/Tens-of-thousands-have-yet-to-submit-DACA-renewals

"Under a phase-out plan announced by the president last month, more than 150,000 young people covered by the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program whose permits were set to expire before March 5 were given the chance to submit renewals — provided they arrive by Oct. 5.

Trump gave Congress six months to come up with a legislative replacement for the program. It shielded from deportation hundreds of thousands of young people, many of whom were brought into the U.S. illegally as children, and allowed them to work legally in the country.

While final numbers wouldn’t be available until next week, DHS spokesman David Lapan said that about 118,000 of the roughly 154,000 people eligible for renewals had submitted their applications by mid-day Thursday. That left 36,000 — or about 23 percent of those eligible — outstanding. Facilities processing applications were prepared to accept courier deliveries until midnight, he said."

It also looks like Trump is attaching strings to DACA that I doubt any Democrat would support.

"According to people familiar with ongoing discussions, the principles were expected to include elements of proposed legislation that would dramatically reduce legal immigration rates and overhaul the green card system to prevent extended family members, including siblings and adult children, from joining permanent residents in the U.S.

The White House was expected to endorse principles of the Davis-Oliver bill, which aims to give local law enforcement officials the power to enforce immigration laws and allow states to write their own immigration legislation. The White House was also expected to call for billions of dollars in funding for border security, more immigrant detention beds and immigration judges."

Looks to me like Trump is deliberately trying to kill DACA, probably the work of Stephen Miller.

No shit. They don't want to help these people.

Rightfully so.

Lets start helping our own people before taking on the burden of others.

@Solaryellow: they are our own people...

Yeah it's always right to kick people out of the only country they know. Shows your compassion and empathy.

A significant majority of Americans disagree with you.

A lot of Americans are complete idiots.

Yes we agree. Those supporting trump are exactly that.

I don't form opinions based on others.

The whole democratic party as well.

Sorry. You did not win. You don't get a consolation prize. You don't even get bus fare home.

They're good people, for the most part. It's not like the 1 million+ middle east migrants in Europe that have 97.6% unemployment.

Those coming through the southern border are at least willing to work. Americans should help them.

Pretty sure the democratic party lost pretty much everything last election. I just passed go! COLLECT 200 DOLLARS! Get your illegal immigrants off my Boardwork.

Don't care. Not our problem.

Trump won the uneducated vote. The biggest gap in 30 years actually.

Man, you are so butt hurt over his victory it's hilarious.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daca-dreamers-the-economic-hit-of-sending-them-back/

A new study suggests an economic argument that's just as potent for giving so-called Dreamers a path to citizenship or at least permanent residency. Deporting the roughly 800,000 DACA recipients would dent the U.S. economy in a big way -- to the tune of $100 billion in lost economic output over five years, and 720,000 lost jobs, Oxford Economics estimates in a study based on government immigration data.

Why people continue to underestimate Trump is beyond me. It's almost as if people want him in power just so they can crack jokes about how 'stupid' he is, even though he is one of the smartest modern presidents we ever had.

Amen.

Those jobs can not be filled by others? Last I checked we do have plenty of people who need employment.

How is he smart? A smart person would be learning on the job and not making the same mistakes over and over again that Trump is making.

Also, he has achieved nothing in almost a year in office.

Hahaha.......guess believing that shows his base is uneducated.

The man had no political experience and he won the election the way he said he was going to, while 'experts', who have been in politics for decades, laughed at him. That doesn't happen out of dumb luck.

Out of the TTP, stripping Obama's anti-carbon executive policy (that he achieved through judicial activism, since congress refused it), and approved the Dakota Access and Keystone XL pipelines. Obama had a failing stimulus and a bunch of failing programs at that point.

I didn't vote for him.

@Solaryellow: Republicans don't help natural born citizens either. Unless they're rich of course in which case they will move mountains.

I wasn't born rich and I was helped greatly by my party.

He won the election sure, but that doesn't mean he's smart lol. People don't win elections themselves. Did his message and style appeal to people? Sure, absolutely but Trump's campaign was propped up by people a lot higher up in the food chain and more savvy than he was, like Robert Mercer, Steve Bannon, and the campaign used very successful social media trickery and data-driven research by a company called Cambridge Analytica. The campaign was a success and Trump was merely one facet.

None of that stuff in your second paragraph would qualify as "achievements". TPP was already dead, the Clean Power Plan is still a thing and will be for a few more years, and DAPL and Keystone XL are still question marks if they're even going forward. By this time Obama already passed the stimulus package that saved the economy, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, banned torture, and signed CHIP to give 11 million children healthcare. All except banning torture was done through Congress while Trump is unable to repeal Obamacare, a position that GOP ran on for the past 7 seven years, with control of both chambers of Congress.

Feel free to post a study directly refuting that one.

I simply posted a fact that confronted your claims on intelligence.

What you just wrote is an unfounded opinion that has nothing to do with it.

He won mainly because of what he had to say. DO you really think he would've won if his rallies weren't as high energy as they were? His campaign was 100% original, and he didn't spend much money either. He was a master at reading a crowd, and surrounding yourself with smart people is a sign of intelligence. Trump has lived his life doing fairly complex things in very different areas, and been successful at them. There is a reason why he doesn't drink and wakes up a 5 a.m. everyday. The guy uses his brain more than most people.

If TPP was dead, why the hell didn't Obama can it on his way out the door? Why hand a victory to your opponent? The CPP will go, of course these things take time, that's how the government works. If you don't think that's an achievement, the neither is Lilly Ledbetter or CHIP, since they took time to implement. DAPL and Keystone XL WILL go forward, mark my words. Economic reality will hit soon enough.

Obama promised the stimulus would provide “help for those hardest hit by our economic crisis.” It did the opposite. The states hurt the most, the ones with more foreclosures, unemployment and bankruptcy, got less money than richer states closer to power. Washington, D.C. got the most stimulus money: $7,602 per capita. The stimulus created a class divide that America has not seen in a while, perhaps ever.

Are you ok? they are illegal immigrants not american citizens

He never said "they are our fellow citizens".

That was implied

That's a very simplistic, superficial reading of Trump's campaign. Of course what he said and his style helped but again, that's not the entire picture. These supposed "smart people" he's allied himself are dropping like flies and Trump also contradicts them all the time lol. The campaign was successful largely due to Mr. Mercer and Bannon - until they came in early Summer 2016, Trump was floundering terribly. They won because they harnessed the power of social media like targeted ad campaigns on Facebook towards voters. Bannon and co. made Trump The Candidate who he is and won him the election. Trump barely has even a superficial grasp of the issues and he showed that during the debates, both primary and general election.

Where do you have proof that he "uses his brain more than most people"? That's just pure conjecture you've pulled out of the sky. What we've seen so far from Trump The President is verbally attacking civilians, other heads of state, and people questioning his mental fitness. I mean, his Secretary of State is under siege lately for calling Trump a moron lol. Judging from what I've seen myself and read from others, there's nothing to suggest he's even above average intelligence let alone one of the "smartest presidents we've ever had" lol.

TPP was Obama's plan and deal - why would he himself kill it? He supports it, and rightfully so. TPP was a good deal for Americans and I say this as someone who would fit the profile as VERY left-wing in the context of American politics. Lilly Ledbetter and CHIP were achievements because he went through Congress and created actual legislation. Trump and the GOP have said Obama "governs by executive actions" when that's all that Trump has done so far. He has 0 legislative achievements to speak of and he's used up a significant amount of political capital trying to pass terrible, terrible, health care plans that do nothing besides line the pockets of the wealthy at the expense of the poor and most vulnerable.

There was already a class divide in America long before Obama. You haven't been paying attention enough if you don't see it. While the stimulus was slanted more towards the wealthy (I never said it was perfect), it still rescued the economy from a total melt down. And there have been reports coming out that the average wage for the lower and middle class is starting to go up.

and if I had wheels i'd be a wagon.

@vl4d_l3nin:

If they missed the deadline then there's not much else that can be done, really. The deadline alone should've been enough to motivate them to get the ball rolling.

I would certainly consider them "our own people", as that boils down to opinion.

There are no legal connotations to that term. It's too general and broad.

What is there to refute? The jobs can be filled contrary to the sky is falling prophecy when it comes to removing illegal aliens from our nation.

Source?

You have to refute the studies showing it would negatively effect our economy to remove Dreamers.

Also, do you actually want these people who have known no other county deported? Why? Even most Republicans think that would be absurd considering the circumstances of their arrival and how they spent their entire lives.

If trump really cared about them....he'd pardon them........rather than racist Joe.........and green-light citizenship.

Solaryellow is one of those people who only works on "feelings" and uses platitudes like "personal responsibility" and thinks those are actually quantifiable policy positions. He is clueless.

Whatever happened to "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"? The article states the jobs will not be filled by Americans, but it doesn't support the claim. Why would someone need to find a study to refute unsupported assertions?

The article is referring to a study by Oxford. The article isn't randomly saying these without facts.

Also,

DACA recipients are overrepresented in industries where unemployment is extremely low, like health services and education, so if they leave, many of those jobs will go unfilled, said Philip Wolgin, managing director for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, which estimates in its own research that ending DACA would remove $460 billion from U.S. GDP over a 10-year period.

"We actually do have some real-world evidence of what happens when you take immigrants out of the labor force," Wolgin said. "Arizona in 2007 passed an immigration bill called the Legal Arizona Workforce Act, and the goal was to push unauthorized workers out of state and open up jobs. What [researchers] found five years later is the law did actually push unauthorized immigrants out of state, but it also pushed jobs out of state. Total employment after five years was down 2 percent.

First off, if there is unemployment in an area that means we have a surplus of workers, not a shortfall. Claiming a reduction in that surplus would automatically translate to massive economic losses is dubious.

Second, what evidence is there that the Legal Arizona Workforce Act was the deciding factor in total employment dropping from 2007 to 2012? There was after all a bit of an economic downturn during the same time period. According to wiki, it cost America 8.8 million jobs right in the middle of that five year period. Seems disingenuous to pull job loss statistics from that time period and attribute it to other causes, such as immigration policy. That line doesn't help your argument. Mostly it just exposes how susceptible people are to confirmation bias. The line only works of you forget the Great Recession happened.

That leaves me back where I started: Whatever happened to "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"?

Of course and we all know predictions are actual truths and just waiting to happen. Like the predictions that Trump wouldn´t win, Brexit wouldn't happen. Because no one else want´s the job.

Not to mention i wonder if they take into account that these jobs also has a much higher % of "under-the-table" payments and undocumented labour.

You can consider them to be Mickey Mouse if that is what you want.

The guy posting still meant the same thing, american citizens.

I consider them our own people, yet not citizens.