@LJS9502_basic said:
@vl4d_l3nin said:
We're about 6 weeks into the invasion and according to the UN, there are 1.5K dead civilians. The US had killed 7.5K civilians within the same time frame in Iraq.
False equivalency. Russia is deliberately targeting civilians. The US does not. Collateral damage occurs but let's not equate that with what Russia is doing.
I usually disagree with almost everything you say on the political board, but you are absolutely right on this account. In Iraq not only were living quarters much closer together with large masses of people mixed with the terrorists, insurgents, and mercenaries, but they also intentionally attacked US forces in highly populated civilian areas to try and maximize their own people's casualties in order to try and turn those sitting on the fence against us.
These terrorists moved into civilian populations and threatened their lives if they left so they could use them as meat shields like the cowards they were. These people would take over areas largely inhibited with civilians that were too scared to leave. That created a very difficult problem and the ones who survived were the ones who left.
Thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths were caused by their own people in an attempt to scare the non believers into joining their resistance. Not only that, but the majority of the fighting happened in 3 major cities. Also add the fact that we went through the cities playing over loud speakers that all civilians, women, and children needed to leave the cities 3 to 4 days before we went in and were not targeting evacuation routes and/or mosques, schools, or holy sites unless the terrorists were using those sites as strongholds and proper reconnaissance was done to ensure their were minimum civilian activity or people living in those sectors. I should know.. I was there.
This is much different. The military and civilians support their president in Ukraine and they are fighting for their continued freedom and independence and not what was basically religious cults (including mercenaries paid to fight from other countries) and frightened civilians fighting under false pretenses of promised riches and security for their families under the holy banners that could not lose. They used the people's own religion against them.
The Iraqi soldiers in Baghdad laid their arms down and surrendered because they did not want to follow Sadam or be stuck in an endless rut. They knew removing Sadam from power was for their own interest as did most of the civilian population. The only people who thrived under Sadam were his chosen few and the terrorist organizations he funded while most people suffered greatly.
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