Rightie pundit Michael Knowles makes genocidal views on transgender people, then tries to deny it.

A snippet from RWW:

And his reaction:

Wow! he's trying so hard to save his ass! lol

He said transgenderism should be eradicated, and not "Transgender People", nor the "Transgender Community".

Same result!

Oh, I like this game! Lundy, interpret for us what he meant that would accomplish the former without incurring the latter.

Ooof, buddy, pick a better hill to die on. There are so many others.

I'd rather ask for the full context, as OP quoted The Daily Beast, which actually amended their statement.

Link.

@lundy86_4: Still waiting for the difference. What was he proposing?

I can only infer what you have, as that's all the OP posted. That being said, The Daily Beast had to amend their original article, due to misconstruing the statement.

The context is lacking, as i've shown with The Daily Beast needing to amend their article.

@lundy86_4: Barely. Knowles is still crying about it...

What post of mine are you responding to?

How about leaving people alone to live their own lives and minding one's own business?

Just an update.

So his proposal is to "cure" them?

Then you should say something like "fund mental health programs" or something like that. Or "Cure transgenderism". You don't "eliminate" a disease, you cure it, if you do in fact view transgenderism as some sort of affliction or disease.

No, when you say "transgenderism", you mean (whether intentionally or not) the people. You're not referring to the mental health aspect, you're referring to an agenda and the people that subscribe to it that you dislike or fear.

The distinction between eradicating transgender people and eradicating the act of being transgender in public is important.

One ask for people to be killed, the other for people not be allowed to show their gender identity in public. I disagree with both, but ignoring the distinction is very dishonest journalism.

He was right to ask for a change of the title and i am glad that he was granted.

Who asked for a change of title?

@lundy86_4: Michael Knowles asked for several media publications to change the title for their article.

And he was right to do so, they were being very dishonest for the sake of clicks and attention.

Some retraction and apology should also be provided.

The title of the thread should also be changed since it was clearly influenced by the previous titles that implied he wanted to kill people. (And Therefore calls the statesments of Michaels Knowles "genocidal")

No, he called foul on their reporting. They misinterpreted the communication, and thus had to legally change their wording. Otherwise, they would have had to defend their wording in court.

@lundy86_4: aren't we saying the same ? Or did they also implied he wanted to kill people on the rest of the article?

honestly. with how the right is now... they are concerning enough. i keep a eye on some in my town. tons of guns and cant tell a lie story from a real one.

While there is no doubt that right wingers like this guy are degenerates, these trans people are clearly mentally ill and need help. It’s quite clear the right winger wants them exterminated.

How do we eradicate an idology?

Religion is a mental health issue but I don't think it should be eradicated.

You allow people to openly discuss genocide and forced religious conversion therapy on public forums with zero backlash for starters.

No, it’s because some of us think “christianity” is not real and is merely the existence of spiritual or mental health issues. These people need help on those two fronts, not to be encouraged in their delusions. Eradicate their spiritual and mental health issues and you have healthy individuals with purpose, not dead ones who have been victims of a genocide, as the righty alarmists are saying.

So, to break it down to you…

Eradicating mental health issues and spiritual issues means eliminating the concept of christianity. However, that just means we now have healthy men and women who are “still alive” (to quote Glados). They will be alive and sane and healthy, and “christianity” won’t be a thing, hence “eradicated.”

Now you tell me with my edits if you think this rhetoric is ok. That this is what we need. Now replace transgender in his genocidal post with something else. Gay. Lesbian. Jewish, etc. is it still ok? No? Then why is it ok as it is?

@Maroxad would you be so kind to explain the transgender stuff? If I remember correctly it is some physiological differences.

@quiggling: Dude, you affirm people who imagine in their heads that they are the opposite sex or some mystical sexual being even when their genitalia proves otherwise. You have no room to criticize anyone who is religious.

Also, no one said anything about converting anyone to any religion. I merely said that “spiritual health” is a component of the well being of any person. Go show me where I said I wanted people to be converted by force. You left thinking folks love to sensationalize and use that sensationalization to silence anyone who thinks differently.

Religion is the natural state of people. Humans will latch onto some social cause, system, or institution and prioritize it in such a way as to devote themselves to it in order to find purpose. If it’s not religion, it’ll be some other system, and the person’s functioning within that system will be religious in nature, as a devotee.

I want “transgender people” to not believe the lies they tell themselves or that others have brainwashed them to believe. A lot of them are blowing the whistle, warning others not to go down the road of self-mutilation and self-destruction. Of course, those people don’t matter to you guys. You only want to affirm people in their delusions. You actively aid people in their self-destruction. You don’t want people healthy, happy, and normal.

I know “trans people,” and I never affirm them in their delusions. I refuse to call them by their woman name if they’re really a guy. I treat them as I would anyone else. I treat them kindly and as human, but it’s neglect on my part to perpetuate their confusion. Likewise, I don’t need them to affirm me in my beliefs, for in my beliefs I am settled and secure.

@quiggling:

Your answer to intolerance is more intolerance?

@LJS9502_basic: tolerating intolerance empowers the intolerant only and leads to the destruction of tolerant society

@The_Deepblue: spiritual health is code for barking mad Mumbo jumbo. You say I want to silence anyone who thinks differently while advocating erasing an entire class of people from society, you claim you want trans people to be healthy and happy while actively being part of the group that is THE primary reason many are not and try to make the best way for trans people to be healthy and happy illegal.

I really don't care much for idpol culture wars crap but... since, unfortunately ignorance in transgender issues is causing a lot of distrust in academia, phony transphobia promoted by the likes of Knowles needs to be challenged from time to time. Attacks on Transgender validity is also an attack on science.

Evidence for Gender Identities are found in

• Psychology (Too much to cover here, but we see transgender identities manifest, and manifest in predictable ways. However it is worth noting that Transgender Identitites is not a single condition, but an umbrella of different psychiatric conditions)
• Neuroanatomy (Transgender folk have been demonstrated to have their own neurological phenotype, separate from cismen and women)
• Endocrinology (Hormones have been demonstrated to affect our gender identity to some extent, especially large exposures to various hormones)
• Genetics (Twin Studies and genetic sequencing show there is a strong genetic base for gender identity)

Keep in mind that none of the above fields are conclusive, but we are making a lot of research in academia, which provide positive results. Had gender diversity been ideologically rooted, as some would imply, scientific research would not consistently find positive results in their research. This is why the scientific consensus is that trans folk are valid.

Just taking those in the US alone that are relevant, here are just some of the medical organizations that accept transgender validity.

• American Psychological Association
• American Medical Association
• American Psychoanalytic Association
• American Academy of Pediatrics
• American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
• World Health Organization

That is about the gist of it. Long story short. Transgender Identities is a Biological phenomenon, it has always been a thing since the dawn of civilization. Transgender studies is nothing new, and have been around since the Weimar Republic (which lasted until a certain ideologically motivated faction burnt it all down). And transgender identities it is not an ideology. The only ideological motivations we see here are those who suddenly started throwing a hissy fit about this after Caitlyn Jenner transitioned. Who only suddenly started taking issues with decades old medical treatment.

Edit: Here is a pretty decent summary if you want to learn more, written by an actual academic whose research is very relevant to the topic ("Research in my lab concerns the actions of sex hormones in the brain.")

Edit 2: You might remember that my position on Neuroanatomy might have changed ;) Earlier scans and studies showed that neuroanatomically speaking, the brains of trans folk were more alike the brains of the gender they identify with, as opposed to the one they were assigned at birth. New evidence obtained in the past few years show a separate phenotype altogether.

No, it’s because some of us think “gay” is not real and is merely the existence of spiritual or mental health issues. These people need help on those two fronts, not to be encouraged in their delusions. Eradicate their spiritual and mental health issues and you have healthy individuals with purpose, not dead ones who have been victims of a genocide, as the righty alarmists are saying.

So, to break it down to you…

Eradicating mental health issues and spiritual issues means eliminating the concept of gay. However, that just means we now have healthy men and women who are “still alive” (to quote Glados). They will be alive and sane and healthy, and “gay” won’t be a thing, hence “eradicated.”

@horgen is this acceptable rhetoric now on this forum?

I frankly have to take it up with the other mods. Imo a civil political debate has been next to impossible since Trump entered the president election race in 2015. It wasn't good before that, but it took a dive for the worse at that point.

It makes you a hypocrite to call out someone for intolerance while also being intolerant yourself. Bigotry is not good, no matter who does it.

@quiggling: Okay. So you would have all religion eradicated too, I take it. Many atheists have said that. You said what I believe is a poison. Wouldn’t you rather not have poison in your society? Just admit that you would want people like me dead.

I just want people who believe they’re the wrong sex to be normal, happy, healthy individuals who know the truth. You cannot point to a shred of evidence that says I want people dead. That goes against my religion, which says to share the truth in love.

And if the mods want to give me a ban (or permanent ban) for simply saying that spiritual health is important, then so be it. You guys can have your echo chamber.

If you want religion eradicated, including Christianity, I don’t hold that against you. Bill Nye holds that belief. I know that God will keep Christianity thriving. Anyways, Bill Nye says that eradication of religion needs to be accomplished through “education.” That’s what I am advocating on my end on this transgender issue, but you’re screaming “genocide!” pressuring mods with “off with his head” and misquoting me, and lying about me. It’s not a good look, man, but I forgive you and hold nothing against you.

@LJS9502_basic: that you are in a thread with a man advocating forced religious conversion therapy with the goal or absolutely erasing an entire class of people but see fit to have a go at me speaks volumes about who you are.

Let’s maybe not ask minorities actively seeing whether or not they should be allowed to exist to be nice to the nazis?

@quiggling: You’re lying about me, man. Jesus died and rose again to forgive you for such sins. What you’re doing is wrong.

By the way, I believe every single person on Earth has mental and spiritual issues, including me. The Bible calls Jesus the Great Physician. We refer to Him as such because His life, death, and resurrection eradicates our sins, that includes my sin and yours, Quiggling, who has lied against me multiple times in this thread. God will forgive you of your lies if you humble yourself before Him. He has forgiven me for lies I have told and will tell because He is rich in mercy.

It is interesting that the term “eradicate” was immediately connected to killing people. It’s a testament to the sensationalization. The first thing that comes to my mind when I read or hear “eradicate” is illness or sickness. We hear about eradicating polio or eradicating rabies. Eradicating the illness or sickness means the preservation of the person who was the host of the illness or sickness, not the death of the person. It’s quite frightening to see how far people have fallen in understanding language and context.

To be clear, this is a textbook example of euphemisms made during stage 7 of the 10 stages of genocide. It's so textbook that it barely qualifies as a euphemism, as can be seen by the weaselly arguments in it's defense in this thread.

How convenient! Will you lie more in the future?

@zaryia: Hey. I’m only human. You will also lie in the future. That’s why you gotta, to quote Sufjan Stevens, “Get real. Get right with the Lord.”

@mattbppl

More lies. Stage seven means that regimes have planned mass killings.

So you no longer believe that words have any meaning within context anymore? You believe you can take a man’s words, sever them as you like, separate them and attach them to a monster called “genocide.” This is the Frankenstein’s monster of language being made, and it’s scary.

@horgen: Gently as possible, Horgen, if you need to discuss whether or not directly terrorizing a minority group on these forums with threats of being removed from society, denied care, and forced through mandatory religious conversion therapy is a bad thing that should be stopped… that is as the kids these days say is a “big yikes from me”. White heterosexual Christians shouldn’t be the only people who feel safe posting here, the forums are going to stay dead while that’s the case.