Quinnipiac Poll: Trump Drops To New Low - 33% Approval

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#1  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Trump Approval

President Donald Trump plunges to a new low as American voters disapprove 61 - 33 percent of the job he is doing, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. White men are divided 47 - 48 percent and Republicans approve 76 - 17 percent. White voters with no college degree, a key part of the president's base, disapprove 50 - 43 percent.

Today's approval rating is down from a 55 - 40 percent disapproval in a June 29 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. This is President Trump's lowest approval and highest disapproval number since he was inaugurated.

American voters say 54 - 26 percent that they are embarrassed rather than proud to have Trump as president. Voters say 57 - 40 percent he is abusing the powers of his office and say 60 - 36 percent that he believes he is above the law.

President Trump is not levelheaded, say 71 - 26 percent of voters, his worst score on that character trait. Voter opinions of most other Trump qualities drop to new lows:

  • 62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
  • 59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
  • 58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
  • 55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

More here: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2476

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#2  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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Still seems too high.

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Even tanking in the notoriously pro-GOP Rasmussen Reports.

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@LJS9502_basic: Lol. We're getting to the realm of acceptability though: 1 in 3.

"White men are divided 47 - 48 percent" - WTH is wrong with us?!

"Republicans approve 76 - 17 percent" - Well, yeah, that's expected.

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@perfect_blue said:

  • 62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
  • 59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
  • 58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
  • 55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

The others I can understand, but the bolded? How can 34 percent believe that he's honest? He's a proven liar, again and again. I mean, this is an objective fact, no argument can be made against it. 34% are not living in reality if they think Trump is in any way trustworthy. That should be at 0% and that it's not is immensely depressing.

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What's the new response from trumpkins about polls like this? I think it's " but but but but they only surveyed 1,500 people!!!!!1111"

Lol trumpkins.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@perfect_blue said:
  • 62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
  • 59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
  • 58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
  • 55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

The others I can understand, but the bolded? How can 34 percent believe that he's honest? He's a proven liar, again and again. I mean, this is an objective fact, no argument can be made against it. 34% are not living in reality if they think Trump is in any way trustworthy. That should be at 0% and that it's not is immensely depressing.

Republicans have successfully taught their base that scientists are frauds and education is a form of liberal indoctrination. There is no reason to be shocked when we are reminded that they believe what they want to believe.

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@mattbbpl said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@perfect_blue said:
  • 62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
  • 59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
  • 58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
  • 55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

The others I can understand, but the bolded? How can 34 percent believe that he's honest? He's a proven liar, again and again. I mean, this is an objective fact, no argument can be made against it. 34% are not living in reality if they think Trump is in any way trustworthy. That should be at 0% and that it's not is immensely depressing.

Republicans have successfully taught their base that scientists are frauds and education is a form of liberal indoctrination. There is no reason to be shocked when we are reminded that they believe what they want to believe.

Well, I'm still terribly depressed regardless.

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@MirkoS77 said:

Well, I'm still terribly depressed regardless.

Take some solace in the fact his numbers are going down, at least.

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@mattbbpl said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@perfect_blue said:
  • 62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
  • 59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
  • 58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
  • 55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

The others I can understand, but the bolded? How can 34 percent believe that he's honest? He's a proven liar, again and again. I mean, this is an objective fact, no argument can be made against it. 34% are not living in reality if they think Trump is in any way trustworthy. That should be at 0% and that it's not is immensely depressing.

Republicans have successfully taught their base that scientists are frauds and education is a form of liberal indoctrination. There is no reason to be shocked when we are reminded that they believe what they want to believe.

You reminded me of something. Though this is very old news. A law that wanted to change Pi to 3.2 by squaring it. Although it had been shown 15 years earlier that it was impossible.

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@horgen: That's insane. People have a hard time letting things go.

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@mattbbpl said:

@horgen: That's insane. People have a hard time letting things go.

No, that's politicians for you.

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I must say that numbers mean less and less to me when it comes to Pres. Trump. If these statisticians used representative samples and were marginally accurate, than Trump shouldn't be President to begin with.

Because he is, the President has a legitimate reason to believe all opinion polls against him are poppycock.

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@sayyy-gaa said:

I must say that numbers mean less and less to me when it comes to Pres. Trump. If these statisticians used representative samples and were marginally accurate, than Trump shouldn't be President to begin with.

Because he is, the President has a legitimate reason to believe all opinion polls against him are poppycock.

That doesn't even make sense dude. I can hire you for whatever reason and then form a negative opinion of your body of work. That doesn't mean you wouldn't have been hired in the first place....though Trump should not have. He also didn't win over the majority of people so I don't see why the polls shouldn't reflect that as well.

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Low Republican approval ratings??

Time to find a country that needs a little freedom!!

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Ashamed to be a white male right male...

only ~half of us do not approve? Is that it? I blame millennials :P in the middle of the country, there's a lot of angst out there and it get's channeled into nationalism, not punk rebellion like it should.

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@horgen said:
@mattbbpl said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@perfect_blue said:
  • 62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
  • 59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
  • 58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
  • 55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
  • 63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

The others I can understand, but the bolded? How can 34 percent believe that he's honest? He's a proven liar, again and again. I mean, this is an objective fact, no argument can be made against it. 34% are not living in reality if they think Trump is in any way trustworthy. That should be at 0% and that it's not is immensely depressing.

Republicans have successfully taught their base that scientists are frauds and education is a form of liberal indoctrination. There is no reason to be shocked when we are reminded that they believe what they want to believe.

You reminded me of something. Though this is very old news. A law that wanted to change Pi to 3.2 by squaring it. Although it had been shown 15 years earlier that it was impossible.

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@horgen said:
@mattbbpl said:

@horgen: That's insane. People have a hard time letting things go.

No, that's politicians for you.

Yep. It should go: facts > law > all the other stuff.

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@sayyy-gaa said:

I must say that numbers mean less and less to me when it comes to Pres. Trump. If these statisticians used representative samples and were marginally accurate, than Trump shouldn't be President to begin with.

Because he is, the President has a legitimate reason to believe all opinion polls against him are poppycock.

If they know the location of the ones answering the these polls, they could always change the system to better represent the voting system.

@mrbojangles25 said:

Yep. It should go: facts > law > all the other stuff.

It never will. Laws can't do anything about math and physics though.

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@horgen said:
@mattbbpl said:

Republicans have successfully taught their base that scientists are frauds and education is a form of liberal indoctrination. There is no reason to be shocked when we are reminded that they believe what they want to believe.

You reminded me of something. Though this is very old news. A law that wanted to change Pi to 3.2 by squaring it. Although it had been shown 15 years earlier that it was impossible.

I had no idea something so patently absurd like this happened. The notion that we can simply legislate reality....

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@airraidjet: U mad bro?

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pols means absolutely nothing when it comes to Trump.

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@effec_tor said:

pols means absolutely nothing when it comes to Trump.

Only because he ignores any negative news about him, dismissing even legit ones as 'fake' and would rather restrict the media to Russian and Chinese style regulations.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

I had no idea something so patently absurd like this happened. The notion that we can simply legislate reality....

Not directly comparable, but I believe Erdogan (Turkey's new dictator) has removed the theory of evolution from its curriculum... So it is still happening.

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@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@airraidjet: U mad bro?

Not at all. I'm incredibly glad Trump is president and Hillary isn't.

The question is, are you mad?

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@airraidjet said:
@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@airraidjet: U mad bro?

Not at all.

You have to completely change the topic of the thread and post shitty 4chan/reddit pictures.

Yeah, you're mad.

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@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

I had no idea something so patently absurd like this happened. The notion that we can simply legislate reality....

Not directly comparable, but I believe Erdogan (Turkey's new dictator) has removed the theory of evolution from its curriculum... So it is still happening.

People are still trying to do that in the US, albeit unsuccessfully, same with climate change. 'Teach the controversy', weak willed attempt to impede the young from accepting scientific fact.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

People are still trying to do that in the US, albeit unsuccessfully, same with climate change. 'Teach the controversy', weak willed attempt to impede the young from accepting scientific fact.

I wonder why the hate against science really.

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I'm glad Trump is president too. Not only is he destroying the Republican brand, but his inability to do anything meaningful means we can keep riding Obama's strong economy!

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@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

People are still trying to do that in the US, albeit unsuccessfully, same with climate change. 'Teach the controversy', weak willed attempt to impede the young from accepting scientific fact.

I wonder why the hate against science really.

Not sure but I do know people in power like to keep their subjects drunk, high, or stupid.....or a combination of all three.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Not sure but I do know people in power like to keep their subjects drunk, high, or stupid.....or a combination of all three.

I thought keeping them entertained was enough.... Though that somewhat includes what you just said.

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I know it's not going to ever happen, but it's time for Trump to attempt to work with democrats. He hasn't gotten any legislative wins with the republican majority, his numbers are in the gutter, the 2018 midterms are fast approaching, and so is the deadline for using reconciliation.

Republicans haven't been able to agree with each other due to the extreme polarization of their own party. It's time to work with some group of moderate democrats and some group of moderate republicans so Trump can actually get a few wins to balance out all the losses.

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@Serraph105 said:

I know it's not going to ever happen, but it's time for Trump to attempt to work with democrats.

Jeez, on the one hand I'm inclined to believe that would go over extremely poorly with his own party. On the other, they are literally going to be forced to work with them on some upcoming legislation such as the debt ceiling - they can't do everything through reconciliation and will be forced to rely on ~8 Democratic senator votes.

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@mattbbpl said:
@Serraph105 said:

I know it's not going to ever happen, but it's time for Trump to attempt to work with democrats.

Jeez, on the one hand I'm inclined to believe that would go over extremely poorly with his own party. On the other, they are literally going to be forced to work with them on some upcoming legislation such as the debt ceiling - they can't do everything through reconciliation and will be forced to rely on ~8 Democratic senator votes.

It really would be to his benefit to start trying. Yes it wouldn't go over well with his base, but his base is the most likely to forgive him, and it just might go over well with the people who somehow still remain on the fence.

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That's still 3/10 Americans.

but coming from where?

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@Gaming-Planet said:

That's still 3/10 Americans.

but coming from where?

low educated/informed.

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@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

People are still trying to do that in the US, albeit unsuccessfully, same with climate change. 'Teach the controversy', weak willed attempt to impede the young from accepting scientific fact.

I wonder why the hate against science really.

I think few people actually admit to being anti-science.

Why else would a denialist organization call itself "Friends of Science". Confirmation Bias is a dangerous thing, even more dangerous is that most people dont know they suffer from it.

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@Maroxad said:

I think few people actually admit to being anti-science.

Why else would a denialist organization call itself "Friends of Science". Confirmation Bias is a dangerous thing, even more dangerous is that most people dont know they suffer from it.

It's an organization largely funded by fossil fuel companies. What on earth did you expect from them?

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@horgen said:
@Maroxad said:

I think few people actually admit to being anti-science.

Why else would a denialist organization call itself "Friends of Science". Confirmation Bias is a dangerous thing, even more dangerous is that most people dont know they suffer from it.

It's an organization largely funded by fossil fuel companies. What on earth did you expect from them?

Of course.

But the point is, how confirmation bias can lead you into defending a false answer while somehow deluding you into thinking yourself a defender of the truth.

This doesnt change the fact that these people are anti-science. But I am just saying, most people who are anti-science don't realize it. Which makes the issue sadly more difficult.

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@Maroxad: I have little doubt that is the case for their followers. I also have little doubt that is not the case for the leaders of such organizations.

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@Maroxad said:
@horgen said:
@Maroxad said:

I think few people actually admit to being anti-science.

Why else would a denialist organization call itself "Friends of Science". Confirmation Bias is a dangerous thing, even more dangerous is that most people dont know they suffer from it.

It's an organization largely funded by fossil fuel companies. What on earth did you expect from them?

Of course.

But the point is, how confirmation bias can lead you into defending a false answer while somehow deluding you into thinking yourself a defender of the truth.

This doesnt change the fact that these people are anti-science. But I am just saying, most people who are anti-science don't realize it. Which makes the issue sadly more difficult.

This might be fitting.

It could be about accepting the answer for them. Or that the evidence isn't made to their liking. If the earth is getting warmer, why aren't we setting new heat records every summer?

2016 or 2015 was for the year as whole quite warm in Norway, yet the summer was awful, snow in late May. So much for a warmer climate, right? Forgetting that the winter was awfully warm (for winter) and never really felt like winter. It was late fall from November to early March.

I think I posted about this in another thread. People will dismiss evidence if the evidence presented to them isn't the evidence they had expected. It doesn't fit with their view so they dismiss it.

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@mattbbpl Going by some quotes. I do think people like Ken Ham and perhaps some of the higher ups in denialist "think tanks" are blatant conmen. But the average rank and file creationist/climate change skeptic sincerely believes in it. If you look at the people in the "think" tanks, you will notice how often they tend to overblow certain aspects of Climate change to "prove" their case. It does work... at least for convincing people who dont have particularly well developed epistemology.

@horgen said:
@Maroxad said:
@horgen said:
@Maroxad said:

I think few people actually admit to being anti-science.

Why else would a denialist organization call itself "Friends of Science". Confirmation Bias is a dangerous thing, even more dangerous is that most people dont know they suffer from it.

It's an organization largely funded by fossil fuel companies. What on earth did you expect from them?

Of course.

But the point is, how confirmation bias can lead you into defending a false answer while somehow deluding you into thinking yourself a defender of the truth.

This doesnt change the fact that these people are anti-science. But I am just saying, most people who are anti-science don't realize it. Which makes the issue sadly more difficult.

This might be fitting.

It could be about accepting the answer for them. Or that the evidence isn't made to their liking. If the earth is getting warmer, why aren't we setting new heat records every summer?

2016 or 2015 was for the year as whole quite warm in Norway, yet the summer was awful, snow in late May. So much for a warmer climate, right? Forgetting that the winter was awfully warm (for winter) and never really felt like winter. It was late fall from November to early March.

I think I posted about this in another thread. People will dismiss evidence if the evidence presented to them isn't the evidence they had expected. It doesn't fit with their view so they dismiss it.

Nailed it :)

And yeah that is a big problem. People dismissing evidence that runs contrary to their claims, while also potentially misinterpretting or just using blatantly false sources (and I don't care if its from Infowars, a source should always be debunked on its own merits rather than its genetics). Just look at all the people who say that Polls dont count at all nowadays, completely dismissing them before even considering them. Dismissing a source because CNN was linked. You know, intellectually dishonest stuff like that.

Politics is so damn polarizied with intellectual honesty being a rare thing indeed. I am pretty pro-single payer, renewable energy and whatnot. But that doesnt mean that merely implementing those systems will turn out well, the infrastructure has to support it. A poor implementation may do more harm than good.

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#45 RedEyedMonster8
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@airraidjet said:
@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@airraidjet: U mad bro?

Not at all. I'm incredibly glad Trump is president and Hillary isn't.

The question is, are you mad?

Not in the slightest, in fact I find the entire current state of American politics to be in equal parts both hilarious and depressing. I seriously don't know whether to laugh or cry half the time.

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#46  Edited By angeldeb82
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And now Trump has reached 200 days already! How time flies!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/07/politics/poll-trump-approval-down-amid-distrust/index.html

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@angeldeb82: So much winning!

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@mattbbpl said:

@angeldeb82: So much winning!