Pope wants part of the Lord's Prayer changed

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#1 angeldeb82
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Well, I can tell that he wants to change "Lead us not into temptation", because he believes that the Devil, not God, leads us into temptation. What's up with that?!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-prayer-changed

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#2  Edited By KittenNose
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Say what you want about the Devil, but they didn't create temptation. That was god's creation, and it's the goof of all time.

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#3 oneinspirit
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The Bible warns us not to change anything. I think he should be fired just for thinking about it. The pope is supposed to be a spiritual leader.

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#5 JoshRMeyer
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If he'd only read the 8 verses before the prayer example...

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#6  Edited By Serraph105
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Honestly the problem is that he is following a flawed ideology. All too often we get into the idea that God is in charge of all things, but at the same time he has this great opponent (Satan) who does things that are against his wishes which goes against the first thing. Most can't decide whether we have free will or not, how can that be the case if God has a giant script/plan for everyone and everything? Also if Satan is doing things God doesn't approve of God is supposedly all powerful so he could just cast Satan out of the universe or straight up destroy him entirely, so why not?

With those sort of continuity issues with the Bible of course the prayers we have don't always make complete sense.

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#7 Jacanuk
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@angeldeb82: Hmm ok. Well if the pope wants that, why not.

But to be fair who cares what you say , it´s all fantasy anyways.

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@oneinspirit: The Bible itself has been changed a thousand times so...

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#9 sayyy-gaa
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This is the Lord's prayer. as in Jesus Christ himself giving instruction on how to pray. And this dude wants to change that? Really?

There are other ways to do it as has been mentioned in other posts. The Pope can just release a new version of the bible and propagate that among Catholics. Like a New Pope 2017 version or something. Or you can interpret the meaning of what Jesus is saying and then spread your own interpretation.

Those would accomplish basically the same things without overtly saying you want to change the words of a prayer attributed to the Lord Jesus Christ. A prayer taught to Christians(not just Catholics) the world over.

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#10 LJS9502_basic
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@sayyy-gaa said:

This is the Lord's prayer. as in Jesus Christ himself giving instruction on how to pray. And this dude wants to change that? Really?

There are other ways to do it as has been mentioned in other posts. The Pope can just release a new version of the bible and propagate that among Catholics. Like a New Pope 2017 version or something. Or you can interpret the meaning of what Jesus is saying and then spread your own interpretation.

Those would accomplish basically the same things without overtly saying you want to change the words of a prayer attributed to the Lord Jesus Christ. A prayer taught to Christians(not just Catholics) the world over.

To be fair He taught it in Aramaic..........

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Pope Francis has begun a conversation about a possible change to the Lord’s Prayer – as he thinks the current version implies that God pushes people toward sin.

He said the line “lead us not into temptation”, memorised by hundreds of millions of Christians for centuries, is based on a flawed translation.

“It is not a good translation,” the Holy Father said, “because it speaks of a God who induces temptation.”

For Christians, it is Satan, not God, who is the tempter and who induces humanity to sin.

“I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen,” Pope Francis explained.

“A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

The Pope’s comments, made in an interview with Italian television, could lead to a change in the prayer, which is taken from the Bible and is considered by some to encapsulate the core messages of Christianity.

The current version has been used by the Catholic Church since 1966, when the Second Vatican Council decided modern vernacular should be used in services instead of Latin.

Before being translated from the Latin vulgate it was translated from ancient Greek. The original text was written in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus.

Question marks over the temptation line are not new in Christian liturgical debate.

The Catholic Church in France voted last month to change to a translation approximating “do not let us enter into temptation”, and Church of latter-day saints uses the adapted line “suffer us not to be led into temptation”.

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The Pope is the false prophet.

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#13 LJS9502_basic
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@Gaming-Planet said:

The Pope is the false prophet.

Uh he's not a prophet.