Native American Voter Suppression In North Dakota

It's a nearly non-existent problem.

https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_minnite_on_the_myth_of_voter_fraud.pdf

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ohio-voter-fraud/

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776

@zaryia: yet it just happened.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/10/12/women-accused-paid-voter-fraud-ring/amp/

Of course, but those are hedge fund managers. They're 'makers' so they count. They're not even trying to argue that this isn't voter suppression, they now arguing that it's justifiable because they're undesirables.

That's why I'm saying nearly non-existent. It happens, but to an infinitesimal degree.

Not enough to warrant the Voter Suppression that effects exponentially more people. And certainly not when it's specifically targeting people that made your guy lose the last election.

yeah pretty sad and kind of predictable.

@zaryia: Except we didn't lose the last election.

Then you blamed the Russians and now voter suppression.

You are again mistaken your opinion for anything but an opinion. You may think it´s voter suppression but as like Alito writes. "“The allocation of the burden of proof and the presumption of legislative good faith are not changed by a finding of past discrimination,”

And refusing to review the case is not the same as validating the lower court verdict.

Fact is that voter ids are needed in a country like America, it´s an absolute disgrace that we have such a relaxed system because Democrats know that if there was much stricter adherence to making sure people are actually eligible to vote, it would mean fewer votes for them.

that doesnt make any sense.

put aside the law for a second. given the voter laws used to say black men can not vote, lets put the legal arguements aside for a second.

logically speaking, why is a physical address a requirement for voting?

There are lots of property in this country that does not have a mail address, so those people use P.o.Box. Logically explain why those people should not be allowed to vote

You are literally writing your opinion as I type factual events of Voter Suppression through LAWS. By definition, by studies, and named so in court.

Please get your subjective views out of my threads. This is like that time you thought all the national polls were wrong, because of your opinion. Or how multiple studies on domestic terrorism were all wrong, because of your opinion.

Study after study shows voter fraud is nearly non existent, the only reason this is done is to curb Democrat votes,

https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_minnite_on_the_myth_of_voter_fraud.pdf

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ohio-voter-fraud/

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776

You are factually wrong on this issue. Like in most threads.

You're an absolute moron. This thread is about the ND senate seat. Heitkcamp won last time partly due to the Native vote, which is exactly when they drafted these laws.

I never blamed Russians or voter suppression for 2016.

@zaryia: Nope you're just bitching again like most losers. It was the Russians for Trump. Now its voter suppression for ND. You'll find something else if shit doesn't go your way.

You couldn't disprove a SINGLE link in this thread and now you're resorting to ad-homs. Pathetic.

The GOP targeted Natives in ND directly after Hietkamp won. They've done it in other states as well. It's something they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

Native American Voter Suppression In North Dakota Could Majorly Impact Democrats' Senate Plans

https://www.bustle.com/p/native-american-voter-suppression-in-north-dakota-could-majorly-impact-democrats-senate-plans-12594200

ncumbent Sen. Heidi Heitkamp's chances of holding onto her Senate seat have been iffy for some time, but they got a lot worse on Oct. 9 when the Supreme Court refused to block a law that makes it disproportionately harder for Native Americans to verify their identities at the polls. A Democratic takeover of the Senate hinges on just a few seats, including Heitkamp's, so North Dakota's Native American voter suppression could doom Democrats' hope for a blue wave in the chamber.

"This is an attack that must be confronted for what it is," ACLU reporter Ashoka Mukpo wrote last week of the Supreme Court decision, "a threat to democratic governance that will have the effect of taking away the most basic right of a large number of vulnerable voters of color."

At issue is a law that requires voters to show proof that they have a "current residential street address" when they show up to the polls. Many Native Americans who live on tribal lands don't have such addresses listed on their IDs, however, because the U.S. Postal Service doesn't deliver to their homes. Instead, many have traditionally used mailing addresses like P.O. boxes to verify their identity. But P.O. addresses will no longer be accepted at the voting box. This is first of all a problem because it will disenfranchise many people — but it also could spell major problems for Heitkamp's campaign.

You are LITERALLY taken things way out of context and also trying to shoehorn in specific examples that clearly were limited in their scope.

So no there is "no factually" wrong because you are again as always trying to make other peoples opinion out to be facts which they clearly are not.

Also Texas https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/texas-voter-id.html

So sorry you are FACTUALLY wrong in assuming opinions is anything but opinions.

@zaryia: Your links were irrelevant.

Less Indians have physical addresse. Law requires physical address ( ignoring this effects rural white people)

Buh buh teh voter suppression.

Bullshit. Voter Suppression exists. It's a real thing. No matter what your opinion is on the matter.

I've given more than ample citation on this. You're just doing your Jacanuk thing, like in poll threads.

I'd say that to if I lost a debate this badly. Disprove them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/texas-voter-id.html

And? Huh? This doesn't exclude all the confirmed instances.

It's real. It exists.

And speaking of Texas,

Federal courts have also found Texas to be in violation of the Voting Rights Act because of a provision of the State's Election Code which imposes limitations on a language-minority voter's ability to have an interpreter of their choice to assist them in the voting process (Organization for Chinese Americans Greater Houston v. Texas).

You are making a huge mistake here. Generalising all cases into one bucket and saying that anything is voter suppression, which is clearly not the case.

Voter ID Laws done right is clearly as in Texas not Voter suppression and if people can´t bother with getting the right ID, then that is their problem, the government should not allow fraud, illegals or non-americans who may find it fun to vote. You know like Obama told that illegal, "you have to vote"

Democrats have a serious problem with law and order and it´s no surprise that they hate Voter ID laws.

@zaryia: Would this not effect Rural white people? Yes or no?

I never said ALL cases were voter suppression. Just that is exists, for certain. Like those cases that clearly show it exists, and it is almost always the GOP doing it. This ND issue is one of those instances - in case you misseed it:

Native American Voter Suppression In North Dakota Could Majorly Impact Democrats' Senate Plans

https://www.bustle.com/p/native-american-voter-suppression-in-north-dakota-could-majorly-impact-democrats-senate-plans-12594200

ncumbent Sen. Heidi Heitkamp's chances of holding onto her Senate seat have been iffy for some time, but they got a lot worse on Oct. 9 when the Supreme Court refused to block a law that makes it disproportionately harder for Native Americans to verify their identities at the polls. A Democratic takeover of the Senate hinges on just a few seats, including Heitkamp's, so North Dakota's Native American voter suppression could doom Democrats' hope for a blue wave in the chamber.

"This is an attack that must be confronted for what it is," ACLU reporter Ashoka Mukpo wrote last week of the Supreme Court decision, "a threat to democratic governance that will have the effect of taking away the most basic right of a large number of vulnerable voters of color."

At issue is a law that requires voters to show proof that they have a "current residential street address" when they show up to the polls. Many Native Americans who live on tribal lands don't have such addresses listed on their IDs, however, because the U.S. Postal Service doesn't deliver to their homes. Instead, many have traditionally used mailing addresses like P.O. boxes to verify their identity. But P.O. addresses will no longer be accepted at the voting box. This is first of all a problem because it will disenfranchise many people — but it also could spell major problems for Heitkamp's campaign.

This is as dumb as saying Gerrymandering doesn't exist.

Democrats don't have a serious problem. Voter Fraud is almost a non factor,

https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_minnite_on_the_myth_of_voter_fraud.pdf

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776

@Jacanuk: lol Zaryia wrecked again.

I've given far far too much information in this thread to be the one who lost this "debate". I wouldn't even call it that, because I've presented a wealth of facts while you two are giving me your opinion on the ND Natives. Voter Suppression objectively exists. No matter WHAT you two think.

You can't possibly suggest that comming into a thread and spamming you think I'm wrong actually removes these fact check articles, court cases, and studies.

Facts first. Just like how I deleted you two from that Proud Boys thread. Just like how I delete you two from every poll thread. Your opinions do NOT matter, and you two use them way way too much without any sort of back up. This isn't normal, you two do it because you are usually wrong.

If you bothered to read the factual articles I'm linking you would have known the answer already:

During the 2014 midterms in Rolette County, home to the Turtle Mountain tribal reservation, turnout plunged from 45 percent to 33 percent, while neighboring non-tribal areas saw no comparable decline.

It disproportionately effects Natives. As everyone said it would via statistics before hand. Which is why it was drafted as soon as Heitkamp won and exit polling data was looked at.

@zaryia: Whites make up 90% of ND you dunce. You haven't posted any relevant information that would show this election would be changed otherwise.

Even if if it disppraportiantly effects Native Americans they make up less then 10% of the population. Meaning overall it would effect more white people.

Thanks for the nothing burger

Hmm, well if you did not mean everything they make that clear, from your posts it was up until now as if you meant all Voter ID laws are voter suppression which is clearly not the case, not to mention that we did not even talk Europe where they have no problem in making workable laws where they make sure only the right people can vote. And by right I mean any who is a citizen and over the age of 18.

As to voter fraud.

Come you cannot be that gullible. Go to https://covr.sos.ca.gov/ and see how easy it is to vote, so do not try to play it like no one who is not eligible use that and go vote. Also, anyone in California can get a driving license even illegals.

Also, there is this.

"n most cases, California voters are not required to show identification at their polling place. However, it is a good idea to bring identification with you when you vote for the first time. A poll worker may ask to see your identification if you mailed your voter registration application and did not include your driver license number, California identification number, or the last four digits of your Social Security number."

And then finally Obama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUN6FsQFOkY Telling everyone who is "undocumented" and he does not refer to dreamers solely as citizens if they go vote.

I never said the Election will certainly be changed, although it's possible. I'm saying it is voter suppression, because it is:

"During the 2014 midterms in Rolette County, home to the Turtle Mountain tribal reservation, turnout plunged from 45 percent to 33 percent, while neighboring non-tribal areas saw no comparable decline."

"they’re more than twice as likely as other voters to lack a form of identification acceptable under the new law."

Voter Fraud exists. It's just extremely extremely minuscule. To the point were some of these voting laws, which clearly target minorities to reduce (D) turn out, effect exponentially more people.

https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_minnite_on_the_myth_of_voter_fraud.pdf

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776

You won't find a study saying otherwise.

@zaryia: So why would the GoP be responsible? And " Overall" would it not effect more white people. Yes or no?

Well, why we can´t find a report saying illegals do indeed vote , is mainly because of two things, the universities are pretty much left-leaning and they know that any illegal voting will vote democratic, also no one would come very far since who would admit it and they would also be called racist and far-right extremist because they would have to look at a specific group.

But then there is, of course, the clearly undocumented illegal in the video with Obama clearly confirming that "dreamers" vote, confirming that illegals do indeed vote. Since you love "links" you can go watch the video and see the documentation.

@tjandmia If Republicans can't cheat, they won't win.

To a conservative that's just called being enterprising.

But I think this is an id card issue.

It was proposed in the UK a while ago but public opposition was fierce and it was canned.

The point is. What qualifies you to an id card? Who won't get one and how important will they be?

It's clearly voter suppression. No one votes twice unless they are right wingers. Right wingers always cheat because they don't give a sh*t.

They read Ayn Rand and see themselves as superior. Lefty people are less callous and don't believe seising power any means is an acceptable way to run your party. Which is why Labour years in power can be counted on one hand in the last 20 or so years.

It's interesting how voter boundaries always change in the run up to an election and Tories magically have some new seats out of nowhere.

But election fraud is a huge problem in the US.

Just look at Bush Jnr's shenanigans when he won California after his brother's computerised voting machine company 'got it a bit wrong' it turns out and too late to be changed. Shame.

"If you encounter anyone who says to you that they do not have a residential street address to provide to either the DOT or the tribal government to obtain an ID, please encourage them to reach out to the 911 Coordinator in the county in which their residence exists to start the simple process to have the address assigned. The North Dakota Association of Counties maintains a list of all 53 County 911 Coordinators. A simple phone call to this individual can start this no charge process that can usually be completed in an hour or less when the individual can describe the location of the home. After the address is assigned, the office assigning it will provide a letter upon request that confirms this new address. This letter can be used either to obtain an ID or as supplemental documentation for voting purposes for those individuals whose ID includes a mailing address rather than a residential address. It is worth noting that in some counties the responsibility of assigning addresses is completed by an office other than the 911 Coordinator; however, the 911 Coordinator will be able to connect the individual to that other office and the process will still be no charge and quick."

The above was taken from notification sent to tribal leaders in order inform and assist the native American communities who may be affected by the law. If the intent was to suppress votes why would the government provide a way for them to acquire the needed documentation quickly and free of charge? If it is such a clear case of suppression why would the supreme court allow the law to stand?