GOP senator blocks bill aimed at preventing Russia election meddling

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#1 Zaryia
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GOP senator blocks bill aimed at preventing Russia election meddling

lmao wow.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/473994-gop-senator-blocks-bill-aimed-at-preventing-russia-election-meddling

And his name, "Crapo". Makes sense.

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Imagine a Republican from 5 years ago seeing this headline, how they would have reacted.

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Mike Crapo is a disgusting pig.

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He would make a great kremlin politician.

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#6  Edited By burntbyhellfire
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Before y'all get your panties in a twist over the headline, did you actually read the bill or just the name of it? There is nothing in the bill that isn't already covered by existing laws.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

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I don't like the idea of a singular power (the director of national intelligence) having the authority to say "yes/no, there was/wasn't interference", that can go poorly or in one's favor in either direction.

If you think recounts are bad, just wait until "was there interference?" counts come into play.

With that said, I suppose it is better safe than sorry (?).

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@burntbyhellfire said:

Before y'all get your panties in a twist over the headline, did you actually read the bill or just the name of it? There is nothing in the bill that isn't already covered by existing laws.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

Of course they didn't.

They just came to this thread to say that the other team is bad and affirm that they support the good team.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

I don't like the idea of a singular power (the director of national intelligence) having the authority to say "yes/no, there was/wasn't interference", that can go poorly or in one's favor in either direction.

If you think recounts are bad, just wait until "was there interference?" counts come into play.

With that said, I suppose it is better safe than sorry (?).

Would not also need some mechanism/procedure for what to do if the conclusion is interference that likely have affected the outcome?

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What would the conclusion be? A re-vote? Then what stops one candidate of paying someone to secretly interfere, or a party making up interference in an attempt to get a do-over. And what constitutes interference? I would see the crap we seen in Florida and Georgia with stuffing ballots well after the polls have closed is far more egregious than a few troll ads on Facebook that nobody really even seen.

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#11  Edited By burntbyhellfire
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@Damedius said:
@burntbyhellfire said:

Before y'all get your panties in a twist over the headline, did you actually read the bill or just the name of it? There is nothing in the bill that isn't already covered by existing laws.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

Of course they didn't.

They just came to this thread to say that the other team is bad and affirm that they support the good team.

It happens a lot, especially before elections when one side creates a bill, give it a name that sounds good, fill it with junk, or attach a rider to it they know will get it voted down so they can claim the other party is against "insert bill title here". For example, something like the "save puppies from abuse act" that does something silly and unrelated so it gets voted down and they'll say "look! They don't care about puppies! They want puppies to be abused!"

Or in this case, if you're looking for junk to put into a bill just include a bunch of stuff that we already have laws against.

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@burntbyhellfire said:

Before y'all get your panties in a twist over the headline, did you actually read the bill or just the name of it? There is nothing in the bill that isn't already covered by existing laws.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

Which existing laws cover the provisions in this bill?

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#13 burntbyhellfire
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@mattbbpl said:
@burntbyhellfire said:

Before y'all get your panties in a twist over the headline, did you actually read the bill or just the name of it? There is nothing in the bill that isn't already covered by existing laws.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

Which existing laws cover the provisions in this bill?

You can see Section 2a, on page two clearly says violates voting rights and campaign finance laws so it references laws right in the bill. The other issue I have with the bill is it doesn't define "interference" which is vague and undefined. We talking about illegally voting? Stuffing ballot boxes which is already illegal? Hacking machines which is already illegal? An immigrant saying "**** Trump," is that interfering? Ads on Facebook nobody watches? It can be literally anything, and anything it SHOULD cover is already covered.

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#14  Edited By Zaryia
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@burntbyhellfire said: @mattbbpl said:

What would the conclusion be? A re-vote? Then what stops one candidate of paying someone to secretly interfere, or a party making up interference in an attempt to get a do-over. And what constitutes interference? I would see the crap we seen in Florida and Georgia with stuffing ballots well after the polls have closed is far more egregious than a few troll ads on Facebook that nobody really even seen.

The ads reached over 100million users, and specifically targeted swing states. Do you have citation for this claim that runs counter to ICA reports?

@Damedius said:
@burntbyhellfire said:

Before y'all get your panties in a twist over the headline, did you actually read the bill or just the name of it? There is nothing in the bill that isn't already covered by existing laws.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

Of course they didn't.

Nothing? That appears to be objectively false.

https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Van_Hollen_DETER_Act.pdf

vs.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115s2785is/pdf/BILLS-115s2785is.pdf

https://www.meritalk.com/articles/senators-reintroduce-bill-to-combat-election-interference/

"Last year’s version of the bill, S. 2785, made it out of the Senate Judiciary Committee, but not through the full Senate.

They said that the 2019 version of the bill features stronger mandatory sanctions than the 2018 version, but also gives the President the ability to use waivers that provide “appropriate flexibility.”"

The legislation would instruct the Director of National Intelligence to report to Congress on foreign interference within 60 days of any Federal election, and to name any “senior Russian political figure or oligarch that knowingly contributed to interference in a United States election.” Interference that would trigger U.S. retaliation includes buying advertisements to influence elections, using social and other media under a false identity to spread information to Americans, and hacking infrastructure including voter registration databases and campaign emails.

Which law covers these new provisions? Please go through all 27 pages and tell me specifically each law already exists. If you do not do this I will have considered you lying yet again.

Also didn't McConell block the last one anyway? Not a good look for the GOP.