Anyone else not impressed by Establishment Neoliberal Democrats?

Take a look at what happened to the Republican Party after they unified as the "Nobama" Party. It did not matter what level of mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger came to their ranks as long as they pledged allegiance to the R and hated the PoC in the White House. . . The Obama years also opened the rift in the Republican party that allowed for the Tea Party to quasi-legitimize. Do you think, in the year 2017, that the neoliberals look any different?

Do these Hillbots honestly think that obsessing over Trump is an adequate surrogate for having your own platform and ideals to run on and stand by? If you are to ask any of them what the politics of the US are, they will always tell you that we are a center-right country. This justifies the big-military spending, nation-building, drone-striking, continual obsequience to the big-money and big-lobby tit. Yet, to the so-called rational centrist they swear up and down exists and is this sole motivator for banking right against the progressive wing, are they even different to the circus happening with the GOP?

No. I think it's not. We continually force 300-odd million people to choose between two conservative parties in every election from these idiots. While the establishment undermined Keith Ellison's bid fr the party chair, they should actually be thanking their goddamn lucky stars the Bernie movement swooped in when it did. One day, I bet they will be grateful that some of we adults stuck around and tried to turn the Democratic Party into something rather than let this party spiral into the inbred alt-politick festival the other party became. Sometimes, I think they prefer convenience over having a backbone. It will be their undoing. Heck, it already has.

The neoliberal democrats are a small part of the party. Probably just the blue dogs. Most Democrats are progressive and correctly take a dim view of neoliberalism, which is a disaster (just look at conservative economic policy). The country is also center left. If it weren't for gerrymandering and voter suppression, most of the Republicans in congress wouldn't be there.

Neoliberalism in general is viewed dimly by reasonable, well-adjusted people. Take a look at Kansas.

The Democratic Party is a mess right now, but it's always been that way.

What's changed is now the Republican Party is too.

Not really. Republicans is thriving and we will see once the next mid-term is around and the democrats get´s a smashing.

They are winning elections, yes. But multiple groups within the party are at odds with each other and it is hampering their ability to pass legislation. They campaigned for years about repealing ACA day one, now they seem terrified. Because of the stumbling on healthcare, the big tax overhaul is getting scaled back to tax reform before it's even begun.

Many of them are openly critical of their own president and his ability to lead, and some like Lindsay Gram, are strait-up mocking him.

Nobody wanted the House Speaker job when Boehner left, they had to beg Paul Ryan to take it. I mean, have you ever heard of politicians needing to be coerced into being given more power?

So yeah, they are winning elections, but that is in spite of themselves. Not because they are some cohesive group of like-minded individuals.

But are you really just crying on the inside?

LOL the washington Post.

But remember who got put on Scalia´s seat , A hint it wasn´t a liberal puppet.

The Establishment always puts its money on stability. Learn 2 politics.

Yay, now we got a Russian puppet nominated by a Russian puppet!

Nope. It was a corporate shill.

So you're right. I'm not getting my hopes up too high for this case. Gerrymandering ultimately benefits the donor class, so the conservative 5 probably wont want to change it.

Democrats are going to get annihilated again for the next few elections. People are sick of their fake bullshit.

@Jacanuk:

Winning elections isnt thriving. Thriving means tax cuts, deregulating businesses, promoting traditional values and more importantly creating an environment in which innovation can thrive without being silenced.

The Democrats are asleep and its time to reasses our priorities when it comes to who is leading our party.

The Trump train just isnt sustainable anyone who is sensible knows that. Cowardly Republicans are too afraid to admit that.

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-They have an incompetent President with record low approval ratings. Marred by scandal.

-They can't get anything done because the Tea Party doesn't hesitate to drag Moderate Republicans straight into the ground. They're also just hilariously bad at governing thanks to 8 full years of Nobama.

-Slim majorities in both chambers of Congress. Republicans could lose the popular vote and still retain their majorities every single term. But thankfully, that also means they can never claim a true mandate. They've only won the Presidential populate vote once since 1992, for example.

The Democrats in 2009 were the exact inverse of this:

-Popular President, no real scandals

-One of the most productive sessions of Congress in America's History

-Every branch was won via a landslide. They would've had had a true mandate if they had somebody besides Joe Lieberman in the Senate.

If Republicans are expected to "thrive" then I wish them good luck. Dems blew all their political capital on the ACA, and now the Republicans have to try and remove it while they push shit-tier Bills that poll around ~15%.

The pendulum swung hard in 2008. It'll swing even harder the way things are going for the Republicans.

Dems just need to field another Obama or Bill Clinton type during non-midterm year and they'll get the full mandate that the Republicans can never ever touch.

OT:

Obama was a Neoliberal btw. Calling Hillary a Neoliberal while acting as if Obama wasn't = logically inconsistent. Hillary has pretty much always been more progressive.

Hint: 1993 push for UHC -> Heritage/Republican alternative -> CHIP/SCHIP -> Romneycare -> Obamacare

Pretty fucky that we had to settle for a Republican plan from the 90s, but you can thank Hillary for at least getting the ball rolling ~15 years in advance.

Not my idea of hope and change. Considering it was Obama who saw to it personally that Ellison got screw-jobbed out of the party chair position. . . You could color me not a fan.

Well, it was really Billy Boy that did all this given that he was the one who sold the democratic party to republican donors, making it so no matter what, we'd only have this one option.

IMO one could actually argue that he was the worst president in US history because of this. He let his own personal ego and desires to be president, corrupt a nation and point it in the direction of being an Oligarchy.

Im not a fan of the whole DvR nonsense as its really one simply supporting a single party of corruption and in essence arguing over who they'd like to exploit us. Anyone with two functioning brain cells has seen the incompetence and "fake bullshit" from both of these parties. One could even make an objective argument that the GOP tends to focus on far more "fake bullshit" while destroying the American people.

Someone paying attention will also notice that because of this ignorant arguing and pretending that democrats and republicans are some how different, we end up seeing a cycle of the two parties going back and forth with control. Its a pretty simple equation actually. We get 4-8 years of a dem or rep who again, ignores the will of the people and only does things to improve corporate profits. Voters see this, new voters pick a side and vote the other way from what was established, while also losing 8-15M voters (if it was a democrat these voters are lost. GOP does not lose nearly as many voters) will be lost from the last election because they've realized that voting for, supporting a D or R wont solve a single problem. The cycle repeats over and over and over. Be thankful for that those voters do recognize how bullshit these "two" parties are, otherwise the democrats would decimate the republicans every presidential election. Mid term elections its hard to say given how gerrymandered that whole thing is. I do suspect we'd see 7-10 more blue states though if redistricting did not happen and voting areas made some kind of rational and sane sense.

You know your stuff.

@kod:

Why bash Slick Willy, he was a great man.

Deregulated the banks, the telecoms, repealed the glass steagall act and did welfare reform. On top of all of that Dems still defend this man and it makes me giddy to this day.

Best Democrat president next to JFK in my book. He was only continuing God's work.

Ah, still trying to frame Clinton as one of your own. lol.

@tjandmia: Haha are you still going with this?

Its akin to trying to frame Teddy Roosevelt as a modern day GOP conservative because he was registered under the Republican party name.

Doesnt matter to me though, I love Blue Dog Democrats.

I know you love trying to claim clinton as one of your own. I don't blame you. Democrats are always better when it comes to the economy.

Why just democrats? Why not neoliberals in genera? There are far more neoliberal republicans than democrats, it's the entire foundation of the GOP economic foundation (outside of Trump's administration).

They think their current corporatist platform is what win them back in the senate and house. They tried to help the little guy in 2008 and now they believe their constituents don't make up that bracket. They're utterly lost and don't know what direction they should head.

They should fear millennials and rethink their platform.

@tjandmia:

*Supports FDR in one thread while defending Clinton as one of his own proudly in the other"

So party sheep basically? No ideology?

Your reply makes no sense.

@tjandmia:

Haha Im sure it doesnt make sense to you.

FDR Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats arent the same thing friend. So party sheep?

The funny thing about this is that YOU are the one who claimed that I think they're the same. You're arguing with yourself over dumb shit YOU made up. lol Trumpkins.

@tjandmia: Trump? I never boarded that train actually.

Believe it or not, not all Republicans like Trump. Doesnt really fit my rockefeller republican style.

No one cares, seriously. If you're dumb enough to be a Republican, you might as well be a Trumpkin too.

Ouch........lol

I'm always puzzled as to why people think there's a left on the US. The only thing leftist the democrats have is the gender politics movement and that's mostly only on the surface since it's a skewed and stupid movement that relies almost exclusively on politically correct non-solutions that are ultimately counter-productive (they somehow see economic policy as secondary to their issues when there's nothing more important for social justice that to deal with economic issues). Both main parties in the US are pretty much the same, with the democrats being a bit more diplomatic before bombing the hell out of the next group of people. Sanders was the only one who I thought could steer things a bit towards the left but I never thought he could win on what is basically a right-wing country. Funnily enough now I see that a bunch of republicans are becoming less and less neoliberal now that they understand how neoliberalism doesn't give a **** about poor people, be them white, black, yellow, blue or whatever. Meanwhile rich democrats on the coasts, from all colors and flavors, completely ignore neoliberal policies because they benefit from them while at the same time focusing almost exclusively on looking for things to get offended at. It's all a fucking joke.

I am a Republican and a Trumpkin as you like to say. I can sleep at night knowing Hillary is not the President. The main thing I object to with the left in every solution to a problem you throw the baby out with the bath water. You can't solve a problem with common sense.

This is a wonderful example that everyone should note, of how the Republican projects his faults on to others..

Every solution you throw the baby out with the bathwater. What a perfect example. Remind us again which party wants to end food stamps instead of fixing the small % of fraud in the program. Which party wants to end Medicaid instead of fixing it? Which party wants to ban all Muslims instead of just weeding out the bad ones? Which party wants to the ACA instead of fixing its problems?

Your reply is a complete joke and represents exactly why normal, well-adjusted people would never take you seriously.

Hit the nail on the head. It's rather ironic to me that Trump ran on a platform of, albeit misguided, economic justice messages. I trusted him on it about as much as I trusted Obama to shut down Guantanamo but for all of his criminal insanity I can't fault his voters for putting their vote behind SOME kind of change. I can only fault them for being dumb enough to believe it. As for Hillary? That was a vote for nothing.