Another US mass shooting, this time at STEM... 1 dead, 8 injured so far

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(CNN)A school shooting not far from Columbine High School left one student dead and eight others injured on Tuesday, authorities said.

Two suspects were apprehended after the shooting at the STEM School Highlands Ranch, which covers K-12, Douglas County Sheriff Tony Spurlock said. About 1,850 students attend the school, according to its website.The suspects are believed to be students at the school, he said. One is an adult male and one is believed to be a juvenile.The incident rattled an area that just marked the 20th anniversary of the deadly shooting at Columbine High School, about seven miles away from the STEM school. Douglas County Schools were also closed April 17 as authorities scrambled to find an armed Florida teen they said was infatuated with the Columbine massacre. The woman, authorities said, made threats before she traveled to Colorado, where she died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound."Tragically, this community and those surrounding it know all too well these hateful and horrible acts of violence," the White House said in a statement."This is a terrible event," Spurlock said. "This is something that no one wants to have happen in their community."

The shooting started in the high school just before 2 p.m., authorities said. The suspects walked into the school, and "got deep inside the school," engaging students in two separate locations, Spurlock said. One student, an 18-year-old male, was killed in the school, according to Deputy Cocha Heyden, a spokeswoman for the sheriff's office.Almost immediately, the school notified authorities.

"Over the next few minutes, quite a few shots were fired," Douglas County Undersheriff Holly Nicholson-Kluth said."As officers were arriving at the school they could still hear gunshots," Nicholson-Kluth said.The first sheriff's deputies arrived within two minutes and engaged the suspects, Spurlock said.Spurlock said officers "did struggle with the suspects to take them into custody.""We do know that we do not have any other suspects. We have all the people that are involved," Spurlock said. Authorities had initially said they were looking for a possible third suspect.The suspects' vehicle was found in the parking lot, he said.He did not release additional information on the suspects.

How MUCH LONGER are we going to play the "not the time to be political" card? By comparison, New Zealand is doing much more after the Christchurch Mosque shooting. But the US? Nope...

Another day, another school shooting in America.

Thoughts and.......let's face it, God doesn't care either.

What are you going to do about it? Ban guns?

More strict gun laws that don't harm legal gun owners much. Which over 60% of Americans want in general. Over 80% want universal background checks.

But Checks from NRA > Will of the People

Time to list the NRA as a terrorist organization.............and get money out of politics.

The country will just shrug it's shoulders and wait for the next one

Why do people keep strawmanning the anti-gun position like this all the time.

The most common position is not to ban guns. But stricter checks.

At least it won't be a long wait.

This is news?
Figured it was a daily occurrence in the US at this point.

@joebones5000: One post in and we have the threads dumbest post, impressive.

@Maroxad: @zaryia: give them an inch they will take a mile.

You could ban all guns tomorrow and you would still have shootings, you can ban alcohol and still have drunk drivers, your laws wont stop people commited on carrying out something like this imo

So even if you got stricter gun regulations passed

And another mass shooting still happens

Are you going to ask for some more regulations

And if you get those regulations and another mass shooting do we ask for even more regulations?

When do you stop? Can we put a line somewhere?

So will of the NRA > Will of the people?

You do know this is all just about some old dudes getting more Yachts right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

@Vaasman: why cant you guys just put your line where you want it to be? You guys dont even know what kind of regulations you want and cant tell me how far your willing to push these regulations if you get 0 positive results. So yeah until the left figures out what they want and where thier line is, i wont support them, they should be clear. Because for someone who likes having the second amendment, we want to know how far your trying to go with these laws and regulations. There is nothing unreasonable about asking that.

Just calling the NRA a Boogie man isnt enough

The line is wherever we find the appropriate balance between allowing freedom to a weapon, and making sure we mitigate reckless, pointless violence. We have not achieved this balance and are not even exploring it currently.

Don't be an idiot and speak in absolutes about this like we should do nothing because we can't do everything.

Needs moar guns.

And thats the problem, you have no idea if it will stop it, I personally dont think regulations/laws will stop anything, I think you will make it more costly and time consuming for legal gun owners, and still have gun violence from people that buy guns illegally. If your line is to find this balance where you have legal gun owners but 0 gun violence, you'll push for gun laws untill you strip our rights completely. Because its impossible. Murder is extremely illegal, yet people still do it... this idea that someone planning to murder will be stopped by laws or regulations is comical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

I must post this again. Yes, solving mass shootings in it's entirety is next to impossible with our second amendment. But the solution to solving gun violence is also not NOTHING.

You'd rather we allowed the maximum level of reckless and pointless violence, than you were mildly inconvenienced in the ability to obtain and maintain a deadly weapon.

@Vaasman:

Finding a solution to gun violence is as assinine as finding a solution to violence in general, your not going to stop violence with gun laws,

how about you figure out the solution to stop murder in general... Like we have really tough laws against murder... But it happens, maybe we havent gone far enough with laws against murder?

You will always have tradgedys regardless of laws, thats reality. Guns are just inanimate objects, your actual problem is a people problem, curtural and social. Your gun laws wont and cant fix that.

If you push for more gun restrictions everytime a tradjedy happens, you will push it untill the cops are at peoples door steps with thier guns forcing others to give up thiers. Good luck with that

They were taken into custody/arrested?

a crazy thing happened.

some wackjob proposed a regulation where seat belts became mandatory in cars. opponents were SURE that the law was misguided and TONS of people would STILL die in automobile accidents

--- many people still died but the rate of automotive deaths decreased

then some nut proposed a regulation where airbags became mandatory in cars. opponents were SURE that the law was misguided and TONS of people would STILL die in automobile accidents.

--- many people still died but the rate of automotive deaths decreased

some even more stupid people proposed regulations where electronic safety systems like abs and stability control became mandatory in cars. opponents were SURE the law was misguided and TONS of people would still die in automobile accidents

--- many people still died but the r---- you get it.

But obviously laws would never be as extreme to outlaw cars all together for citizens safety,

especially because of how important transportation is.

There are actual groups trying to outlaw guns in America and has already happened in other countries. No ones going to try that shit with cars, even if way more people die in car accidents compared to guns.

@jeezers: no one is trying to outlaw all guns.

yet articles like this exist

https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

@jeezers: that means about as much as an article from the national review.

probably ghost written by the NRA to whip up their frothy base.

@Treflis: If we treat it as such, nothing will be done.

@comp_atkins: ill never understand the lefts obsession with the NRA

Idk maybe if they weren't filtering Russian money into American politics, or actively condoning profiteering from mass shootings, we wouldn't care as much about their lobbying position.

@Vaasman: w/e man my grandad was a member his entire life and worked as a game warden for over 20 years. The NRA is the only organization that atleast tries to teach gun safety especially with kids and helping people understand gun laws in general. They educate people about firearms and support the 2nd amendment. Big whoop, why would the russians want more americans to arm themselves lol

Your anecdote about your grandfather changes nothing, and it's fairly disconcerting that you don't seem to care the NRA filters dirty money and encourages violence.

the NRA doesnt encourage gun violence you kook, they promote gun safety.

most of the violence comes from lack of education on firearms, you have stupid kids who think gang banging is cool. Young boys from single mother housholds, who have no understanding what guns are for, besides what they heard in an xxxtentacion song, That has more of an influence on gun violence than the NRA

I actually agree with jeezers on this one. Today you pass 100% background checks, tomorrow you get another mass shooting. Then it is another gun control bill they want to pass. To me the logical end are restrictions of the level that Democrats would never outright propose today because they know if background checks can't pass those couldn't either. They can't be honest that the real end game is gun confiscation/trade at a big scale for lots of types of gun. Keeping guns in a safe, only this type or that type, electronic trigger, only can be kept at gun armories, gun registry, this many ammunition, only this type of ammunition etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

It will never end, so in that sense, I do see the logic with drawing the line now.

With that said, Republicans/conservatives/NRA members aren't being honest with what it means to keep gun laws as they are. Read: lost of mass shootings. Own it, "mass shootings are the price we pay for the laws we choose".

And that's that.

Meh then you can apply that to any law but that just isn't how it usually works.

Feels more theoretical and a talking point.

I don't think so. Will background checks stop mass shootings? No. Ok, what is the next step? You define it zaryia.

Unless someone thinks that Democrats will get to a point and say (100 years from now): "you know what, we have reduced mass shootings in X% but if we continue then Republicans/conservatives/NRA would have been right that it basically would never end. So ok, we will accept this Y% amount of mass shootings because going any further would "finally" infringe on the Second Amendment".

So tell me, which number of mass shootings is acceptable? None.

You and I now that the only way to guarantee for there to be 0 mass gun shootings is to have 0 guns. Lets be honest.

@joebones5000: not a school, but that did happen in Cali a week ago, one of the victims was 13

www.foxnews.com/us/driver-deliberately-drives-into-crowd-in-california-injuring-8-police.amp

I'm watching that happen on facebook right now. Tons of thoughts and prayers. Bringing up the topic of how to stop it or mitigate it in the future gets you yelled at.

I can't imagine Facebook in a situation like this, so glad I'm out of there.

Crazy, when I was in HS my biggest fear was getting shot on the street on my way to and from school. Since I know common sense gun reform is out of the question because present day conservatism and republicanism is only about coddling fragile white male egos , why don't they start installing metal detectors and shit like they do with inner city schools? I mean how often to do you hear about school shootings happening in the hood?

Good thing Americans don't have an amendment telling them to shove a pineapple up their arse or half the nation wouldn't be able to sit.

Has anything been done after the previous shootings?, Heck I figured after Sandy Hook, when small kids were the victims, would spark a significant change to gun laws and background checks but I can't exactly say there's been much result. And thus it continues until it becomes a daily occurrence rather then a shocking event.

I mean if you can't touch gun laws, at least make it mandatory to wear Kevlar vests when in public or outside of your own home. It might save some lives.

One shooter was transgendered and one was gay. Out of the two, one was left leaning, anti-trump, anti-catholic, etc.., The firearms were taken from a parent(s) or in other words, stolen. But hey, lets blame the NRA.