"No Russian", MW2 Were you moved by it? Spoiler!

I'm going to be honest I avoided most of the press and blogs about the scene not to get spoiled. I replayed it and have the same exact feeling as I did the first time playing a while back, it didn't pull me in. Not one person in the airport really begged for their life, though its a scripted event it was done to me as a this will shock you moment. You pull back and say its a video game, when stuff like this happens in real life then its very sad and depressing, the scene or the way it was played isn't up to par for something like Heavy Rain or GOW III. The scene moved the story along but it made think, "really, this is what your going to use to advance the story?" The scene could have been done through the airport camera's and the footage goes third person watching them in different camera's during the loading cut scene briefing update. They nailed the DC part but the airport a little cheap shot for press to stir buzz.

I wasn't moved, but I was impressed by the brass balls that IW had doing that and facing the press about it.

Not moved... just apathetic, I suppose.

However, I still didn't shoot anyone.

I don't have this game. But I don't know where this whole "false morality" BS comes from. It's a game about shooting people. I just don't see how shooting people of middle eastern decent is better and more "justified" than shooting "white americans".

If it's a game about war, both sides should be shown. There is no "good guy" or "bad guy". Be it reality or video games, it's all grey area. I just hate this self righteous BS...

I don't have this game. But I don't know where this whole "false morality" BS comes from. It's a game about shooting people. I just don't see how shooting people of middle eastern decent is better and more "justified" than shooting "white americans".

If it's a game about war, both sides should be shown. There is no "good guy" or "bad guy". Be it reality or video games, it's all grey area. I just hate this self righteous BS...

Denji

It didn't move me at all really, it just shocked me for a few seconds and then I proceeded shooting the *BLEEP* outta everyone.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

I don't have this game. But I don't know where this whole "false morality" BS comes from. It's a game about shooting people. I just don't see how shooting people of middle eastern decent is better and more "justified" than shooting "white americans".

If it's a game about war, both sides should be shown. There is no "good guy" or "bad guy". Be it reality or video games, it's all grey area. I just hate this self righteous BS...

The_Rick_14

I doubt it. What they try to push is the fact "they can be anywhere" or "can't tell the difference" on all forms of media. Put that in front of anybody and they automatically think "bad guy, shoot!" just by look alone. Nobody would have any problem shooting what they consider "the bad guy" (moreless anyone different from them) no matter if they're armed or not.

I rememeber when those middle eastern countries publicly displayed that they had games where they were fighting armed american soldiers. People got real pissy about that and how "evil" and "wrong" it was. I say it's a load of crap.

Nah

Now Heavy Rain, that moved me!!!

Yeah I couldn't care less really. I walked in, saw some dudes, shot them, went on with my life.

I flashbanged one of my fellow terrorists and they shot me :(

Didn't care for it. Its a damn video game.

Where the issue came in here Denji is that the people in this mission are unarmed civilians that you are able to shoot, not an enemy attempting to take your life as well. I hope the same backlash would be present if the mission was filled with all middle eastern civilians as well.The_Rick_14

Which is a load of crap, because I look up at my ps3 games and I see 4 games where you can definitely kill unarmed civilians... and that's JUST my ps3 games, there are tons more out there. The level didn't bother me at all because there was absolutely nothing different about it than a lot of other games, except maybe the amount of people readily available to shoot (no checking the next side street because everyone is either dead or ran away), and the fact that in games like GTA it actually gets fun because more and more cops come to stop you. It was just boring.

I was suprised but was'nt shocked also impressed by Infinity for making this lvl. They've got some balls.

I wasnt moved by it, you had to shoot to fit in and so you wouldnt blow your cover.

I wasn't particularly moved by the level, no. It is also the kick-off to the game's particularly absurd plotline -- is Russia really going to start the third World War over a terrorist attack in an airport when the linkage to the United States is the body of a single American? You don't think there's a diplomatic resolution to the matter, i.e. the Russians ask, "WTF?" and the Americans apologize and explain, crisis averted?masterpinky2000

It gave me chills. Didn't like the forced slow walking. Didn't shoot anyone.

I shot up the whole airport and didnt care who saw me do it heeeehawwwww

I shot and knifed every civillian that I could. But no it really didn't move me at all.

It just wasn't immersive enough. You suddenly find yourself as this character who has infiltrated a terrorist group. You don't have any connection to the character. You have almost no backstory on him. He has no voice of his own. You have no real reason to care for him. Worst of all, you have no way to affect anything that is going on in the scene. It doesn't matter if you kill everyone in sight or if you just tag along with the terrorists with your gun holstered.

There is absolutely nothing in that sequence that draws the player in to the experience. It's simply a movie that you can walk around in. But it doesn't have the same impact as a movie because the characters are just cardboard cutouts.

At least in GTA you have an in-game reason to kill civilians (they give money plus they are irritating) and killing them does affect the gameplay (civilians will fight you and if you kill enough of them you can get into an epic police battle/chase.) In contrast, the No Russian sequence just felt pointless and a waste of time.

I'm going to be honest I avoided most of the press and blogs about the scene not to get spoiled. I replayed it and have the same exact feeling as I did the first time playing a while back, it didn't pull me in. Not one person in the airport really begged for their life, though its a scripted event it was done to me as a this will shock you moment. You pull back and say its a video game, when stuff like this happens in real life then its very sad and depressing, the scene or the way it was played isn't up to par for something like Heavy Rain or GOW III. The scene moved the story along but it made think, "really, this is what your going to use to advance the story?" The scene could have been done through the airport camera's and the footage goes third person watching them in different camera's during the loading cut scene briefing update. They nailed the DC part but the airport a little cheap shot for press to stir buzz.

SiKh22

I agree, if you're going to do something that will start a huge buzz in the media, at least give it an emotional realistic feel.

Not at all, and was i supposed to feel something when washington was invaded? Anywho, i balme the bad storytelling (i had to research the internet to understand the plot).

I was surprised at first but stopped caring after a while.

I don't have this game. But I don't know where this whole "false morality" BS comes from. It's a game about shooting people. I just don't see how shooting people of middle eastern decent is better and more "justified" than shooting "white americans".

If it's a game about war, both sides should be shown. There is no "good guy" or "bad guy". Be it reality or video games, it's all grey area. I just hate this self righteous BS...

Yeah kind've. I certainly wasn't offended by it, & I did partake in the shooting, but after watching all the horror for a moment I felt like "wow this is wrong" & imagined if it was real life. It's definitelty more moving than killing innocents in GTA. When GTA people scream & die it's just comical hehe.

nope, didn't care or got moved by it. i didn't even left the ones crawling to safety.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

I don't have this game. But I don't know where this whole "false morality" BS comes from. It's a game about shooting people. I just don't see how shooting people of middle eastern decent is better and more "justified" than shooting "white americans".

If it's a game about war, both sides should be shown. There is no "good guy" or "bad guy". Be it reality or video games, it's all grey area. I just hate this self righteous BS...

juden41

Oh, I know about the likes of him. That's why games are poorly constructed and "pushed out". I fell for that with COD4, never again...

But I'm talking about the general public reaction. Which is rather hypocritical..

I didn't get all emotional about it . . . and even if this were to happen they (The terriosts.) would probably be stopped in the elevator as it was moving.

I laughed because it was such a terrible level. Any atmosphere it did have was ruined when you see the russians feet going through the dead civs bodies. That and the level itself was boring as hell, shooting people that don't put up a fight isn't fun, it doesn't feel rewarding or satisfying.

Altiar25

nah I had no problems, alittle insensed by the mass wholsale execution of the mass of people but I limited my shooting to the police personal. I actually thought about it and CIA was at airport so they cant wash hands to what happened and why the attacks later on happened, but ya be sad if I had to get a flight at that airport

on a side not besides police, did have fun shooting glass, tv, and airplane engines until they catch fire and explode :) (after the first plane you set engine on fire and shoot the chopper overhead down.

[QUOTE="Altiar25"]

I laughed because it was such a terrible level. Any atmosphere it did have was ruined when you see the russians feet going through the dead civs bodies. That and the level itself was boring as hell, shooting people that don't put up a fight isn't fun, it doesn't feel rewarding or satisfying.

supa_badman

i thought it was the most fun level in any FPS games.

i killed every single person i saw on that level. No one survived the terror i unleashed.

Anybody who has been moved by MW2's storyline must not play very many games.

I was dissapointed for not getting a trophy for not shooting a civilian...thats about how moved I got

Actually, yes I was. Some people actually confuse the meaning of getting moved emotionally with getting emotionally touched to the point of crying. I was actually pissed off at Makarov and tried to kill him and his squad several times (which, obviously, a trained CIA agent would be able to pull off if attacking them from behind while they reloaded). I aactually tried and tried, and it touched me so deeply I was ACTUALLY ANGRY AT A VIDEOGAME CHARACTER. So, yeah. Pretty moved.

It did not shock me at all I just played it like any other game

As Shepherd Said, Same ****, Different Day.