How is the sound via HDMI from the PS3?????????????

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#1 Posted by SystemWarsMan (913 posts) -
Just wondering, thinking about getting a PS3 today.
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#2 Posted by mmirza23 (3457 posts) -
AMAZING it blows away everything else, its my main reason for using hdmi over component, the visuals are slightly improved, but its in the sound that makes the huge difference.
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#3 Posted by Brendruis (1016 posts) -
I use the Optical SP/DIF on the PS3

I tried the HDMI also through my TV and it sounded good :)
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#4 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -
If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.
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#5 Posted by chubear700 (1945 posts) -
Aww men, that's another thing about the PS3, the sound is freakin incredible.
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#6 Posted by alfy13 (3600 posts) -
If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili
dang really? CRy and i just bout a sony 5.1 home theathre for 199.00 but no hdmi. just optical. oh well maybe in the sumer ill upgrade lol.
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#7 Posted by dubvisions (1815 posts) -

Get an Onkyo receiver.  I think right now they have a 5.1 or 7.1 (can't remember), all-inclusive, theater system, with two HDMi ins and one HDMI out, for only $600.  Can't get better than that.

But unless you have a 1080p HDTV, I wouldn't go too crazy on the HDMI.

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#8 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -

If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

You have obsolutely no idea what you're talking about do you????? Fiber optics has one of the biggest bandwidths

http://www.gare.co.uk/technology_watch/fibre.htm

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#9 Posted by BlacKJaCK2290 (1775 posts) -
True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.
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#10 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -

True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.BlacKJaCK2290

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

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#11 Posted by BroweChisox (1104 posts) -

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.kingtito

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

You are the one who knows nothing about this. HDMI is, and will be the only way, to get uncompressed audio from any device. All of the next generation media players, and the PS3 send uncompressed signals through HDMI. This sound absolutely blows compressed optical sound out of the water. It is saddening to have to stoop down to compressed sound when I watch things over my STB or play the 360. It is not a bandwidth issue, but more of an agreement. There is no way you will ever experience the highest end audio without picking up an HDMI receiver, it is as simple as that.
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#12 Posted by Creeping_Wolf (3399 posts) -

If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

Resistance: Fall of Man is actually encoded with 7.1 uncompressed PCM. 

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#13 Posted by UntoldDreams (3238 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.BroweChisox

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

You are the one who knows nothing about this. HDMI is, and will be the only way, to get uncompressed audio from any device. All of the next generation media players, and the PS3 send uncompressed signals through HDMI. This sound absolutely blows compressed optical sound out of the water. It is saddening to have to stoop down to compressed sound when I watch things over my STB or play the 360. It is not a bandwidth issue, but more of an agreement. There is no way you will ever experience the highest end audio without picking up an HDMI receiver, it is as simple as that.



*** This gentleman (BroweChisox) knows his video and audio.

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#14 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.BroweChisox

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

You are the one who knows nothing about this. HDMI is, and will be the only way, to get uncompressed audio from any device. All of the next generation media players, and the PS3 send uncompressed signals through HDMI. This sound absolutely blows compressed optical sound out of the water. It is saddening to have to stoop down to compressed sound when I watch things over my STB or play the 360. It is not a bandwidth issue, but more of an agreement. There is no way you will ever experience the highest end audio without picking up an HDMI receiver, it is as simple as that.

The question here is wether or not optical has the bandwidth to transmit uncompressed data. There is no higher bandwidth than fiber optics right now and that includes HDMI. HDMI might be the choice for home theater but to say that Fiber optics doesn't have enough bandwidth is ludicrous. That is MY point, can you comprehend????

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#15 Posted by BlacKJaCK2290 (1775 posts) -
It really doesn't matter at this point wether or not Optical can handle them. Bottom line is you will never see a full resolution TrueHD or uncompressed PCM track being transfered over optical.
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#16 Posted by dubvisions (1815 posts) -

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

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#17 Posted by zhuojloh (1796 posts) -

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

dubvisions
Optical does not have the bandwith to do uncompress PCM. you need HDMI cable for that, your receive will need to handle uncompress PCM too.
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#18 Posted by immikeulate (350 posts) -
Okay now I have a question: I connect my ps3 to an optical receiver (a mid range pioneer 7.1, no hdmi), and when I switch a blu-ray movie's sound to to uncompressed pcm from dobly digital the sound gets louder and possably better... But my receiver doesn't recognize the format of sound (like when its a dobly digital it says DD or when its dts it says dts) So whats going on here is it truly uncompressed audio or is my receiver just playing the ps3's output signal but not really pcm???
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#19 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -
[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

zhuojloh

Optical does not have the bandwith to do uncompress PCM. you need HDMI cable for that, your receive will need to handle uncompress PCM too.

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

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#20 Posted by zhuojloh (1796 posts) -
Okay now I have a question: I connect my ps3 to an optical receiver (a mid range pioneer 7.1, no hdmi), and when I switch a blu-ray movie's sound to to uncompressed pcm from dobly digital the sound gets louder and possably better... But my receiver doesn't recognize the format of sound (like when its a dobly digital it says DD or when its dts it says dts) So whats going on here is it truly uncompressed audio or is my receiver just playing the ps3's output signal but not really pcm???immikeulate
Uncompressed PCM is only supported in HDMI, optical cannot does not have enough bandwith. In other words, your receivers is old. Time for a new one. Don't worry, I'm also same boat with you. If you are using optical, avoid 7.1 uncompressed. PS3 will make it 2.1 PCM instead if you chose that option
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#21 Posted by BlacKJaCK2290 (1775 posts) -
The PS3 is outputting the Uncompressed PCM so thats what your Receiver is picking up.
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#22 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -
Before anyone comes on talking about how it sounds soo much better through HDMI remmeber what the point is. The point is wether or not Fiber optics have enough bandwidth to transmit uncompressed sound and video. The answer is yes it has more bandwidth than HDMI, DVI and most definitely copper.
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#23 Posted by zhuojloh (1796 posts) -
[QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

kingtito

Optical does not have the bandwith to do uncompress PCM. you need HDMI cable for that, your receive will need to handle uncompress PCM too.

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

????????????? Dude you know how huge the fiber optic range is? That's big fiber optic and small one. Toslink is one of the small one. it's bandwith is not that high. Currently maximum at 125mbps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

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#24 Posted by Creeping_Wolf (3399 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

zhuojloh

Optical does not have the bandwith to do uncompress PCM. you need HDMI cable for that, your receive will need to handle uncompress PCM too.

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

????????????? Dude you know how huge the fiber optic range is? That's big fiber optic and small one. Toslink is one of the small one. it's bandwith is not that high. Currently maximum at 125mbps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

I think you've hit on the problem.  The "Fiber Optics" he's talking about and the "optical cable" everyone else in this thread is talking about aren't the same things. 

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#25 Posted by BlacKJaCK2290 (1775 posts) -
I really want to hear what Kingtito has to say for himself now. Seeing as he basically accused all of us as being wrong.
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#26 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -
[QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

Creeping_Wolf

Optical does not have the bandwith to do uncompress PCM. you need HDMI cable for that, your receive will need to handle uncompress PCM too.

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

????????????? Dude you know how huge the fiber optic range is? That's big fiber optic and small one. Toslink is one of the small one. it's bandwith is not that high. Currently maximum at 125mbps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

I think you've hit on the problem.  The "Fiber Optics" he's talking about and the "optical cable" everyone else in this thread is talking about aren't the same things. 

Well it comes down to the quality of the fiber optic cable. They type of glass it uses and so on. The highest quality fiber optic has a minimum bandwidth of 10g per sec. 

I guess you're right since we're not talking about the highest quality fiber optics.....my bad.

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#27 Posted by kingtito (10378 posts) -

I really want to hear what Kingtito has to say for himself now. Seeing as he basically accused all of us as being wrong.BlacKJaCK2290

Say for myself??? Hmmm what I was talking about I was correct and frankly the future is in fiber optics. My basic argument was wether or not fiber optics had enough bandwidth. Theoretically it does just not in the case of the Toslink fiber optics.

Anything else you want me to say?

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#28 Posted by UntoldDreams (3238 posts) -

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]I really want to hear what Kingtito has to say for himself now. Seeing as he basically accused all of us as being wrong.kingtito

Say for myself??? Hmmm what I was talking about I was correct and frankly the future is in fiber optics. My basic argument was wether or not fiber optics had enough bandwidth. Theoretically it does just not in the case of the Toslink fiber optics.

Anything else you want me to say?



I think you should calm down.  The end result of this diatribe is you were telling people to get the optical cable for surround sound from the PS3 instead of HDMI. 

This was the wrong advice.
Accept it like a man instead of going off on the physics of optical technology.

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#29 Posted by BroweChisox (1104 posts) -

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

dubvisions
That is because you can not send uncompressed through optical. Hook up the HDMi to your receiver's input. Make sure your receiver supports HDMI (not only video switching) and you will be amazed. Anyone who argues otherwise is a total fool, like the one guy who keeps talking about bandwidth when it simply does not matter in terms of current or future performance..
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#30 Posted by SystemWarsMan (913 posts) -
[QUOTE="immikeulate"]Okay now I have a question: I connect my ps3 to an optical receiver (a mid range pioneer 7.1, no hdmi), and when I switch a blu-ray movie's sound to to uncompressed pcm from dobly digital the sound gets louder and possably better... But my receiver doesn't recognize the format of sound (like when its a dobly digital it says DD or when its dts it says dts) So whats going on here is it truly uncompressed audio or is my receiver just playing the ps3's output signal but not really pcm???zhuojloh
Uncompressed PCM is only supported in HDMI, optical cannot does not have enough bandwith. In other words, your receivers is old. Time for a new one. Don't worry, I'm also same boat with you. If you are using optical, avoid 7.1 uncompressed. PS3 will make it 2.1 PCM instead if you chose that option

So im guessing it goes into the reciever HDMI on HDMI in, and comes out HDMI out to the TV for the picture. The sound will be handled by the reciever and the picture through the reciever to the TV? Thanks for the info.
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#31 Posted by BroweChisox (1104 posts) -
Correct, usually a receiver will have at least 2 HDMI inputs. The equipment outputting the sound needs to be told to output uncompressed PCM, and some receivers (actually any non-Denon HDMI receiver) need to have the LFE track adjusted when using PCM. I recommend the Denon AVR-2307CI or 887 (Basically the same model) for a great budget minded HDMI receiver.
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#32 Posted by mairjfoo (25 posts) -

I have a 50 inch sony with a DVI input for video.  If I buy a HDMI enabled receiver, will I get these better audio codecs for blu-ray movies and games if I connect my PS3 to the receiver with HDMI cable and then a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV?

Also the TV's DVI is HDCP compliant if that is important.

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#33 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -

[QUOTE="filfili"]If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.kingtito

You have obsolutely no idea what you're talking about do you????? Fiber optics has one of the biggest bandwidths

http://www.gare.co.uk/technology_watch/fibre.htm

We are talking about optical in the home theater sense. 

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#34 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -

I have a 50 inch sony with a DVI input for video.  If I buy a HDMI enabled receiver, will I get these better audio codecs for blu-ray movies and games if I connect my PS3 to the receiver with HDMI cable and then a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV?

Also the TV's DVI is HDCP compliant if that is important.

mairjfoo

Yes, but its gets tricky.  Some receivers will only accept picture from HDMI.  Its been mostly rectified in this newest batch, but its something to keep in mind.  They don't make receiver with DVI anymore.  What you'd want to do is look at a HDMI to DVI cable.  I'm not certain it will work since some devices(Toshiba HD DVD player) seem to have problems with HDMI to DVI cables.  Yes, you have the right idea.

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#35 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -

[QUOTE="filfili"]If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.Creeping_Wolf

Resistance: Fall of Man is actually encoded with 7.1 uncompressed PCM. 

Are you certain, I thought it got axed in the retail version.

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#36 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -
[QUOTE="Creeping_Wolf"]

[QUOTE="filfili"]If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

Resistance: Fall of Man is actually encoded with 7.1 uncompressed PCM. 

Are you certain, I thought it got axed in the retail version.

Ok, I'm wrong.  It is in 7.1 and I never noticed. 

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#37 Posted by BroweChisox (1104 posts) -
[QUOTE="mairjfoo"]

I have a 50 inch sony with a DVI input for video.  If I buy a HDMI enabled receiver, will I get these better audio codecs for blu-ray movies and games if I connect my PS3 to the receiver with HDMI cable and then a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV?

Also the TV's DVI is HDCP compliant if that is important.

filfili

Yes, but its gets tricky.  Some receivers will only accept picture from HDMI.  Its been mostly rectified in this newest batch, but its something to keep in mind.  They don't make receiver with DVI anymore.  What you'd want to do is look at a HDMI to DVI cable.  I'm not certain it will work since some devices(Toshiba HD DVD player) seem to have problems with HDMI to DVI cables.  Yes, you have the right idea.

Every game I have played on PS3, albeit only a handful, have all been uncompressed PCM sound.
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#38 Posted by creekfan_basic (2539 posts) -

I love these threads...95% made up stuff, 5% fact.

Resistance does have uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio and its incredible when you crank it up, makes DD 5.1 and DTS sound compressed and harsh.

Optical will not pass uncompressed PCM properly. I tried it and it just reverted to a crappy stereo feed. Optical can't handle it.

If you have a Ps3 I highly recommend upgrading to an HDMI capable receiver that can pass an HD Video signal. My Pioneer elite can pass up to a 1080i signal, so I set the PS3 to that and let the TV upconvert it to 1080p. This way I can get the uncompressed PCM sound from the games and the bluray movies.

The audio capabilities of HDMI are far better than the video capabilities. I notice little difference in video between HDMI, VGA and component, slight difference, but nothing major. The sound on the other hand is a completely differrent story.

Most uncompressed PCM sound tracks run in the 4.5Mbps neighboor hood, DD5.1 is 648kbps and DTS tops out at 1.5Mbps, its a huge difference in bandwidth so the dynamic range is greater and the bass is smoother.

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#39 Posted by SystemWarsMan (913 posts) -
Correct, usually a receiver will have at least 2 HDMI inputs. The equipment outputting the sound needs to be told to output uncompressed PCM, and some receivers (actually any non-Denon HDMI receiver) need to have the LFE track adjusted when using PCM. I recommend the Denon AVR-2307CI or 887 (Basically the same model) for a great budget minded HDMI receiver.BroweChisox
How much does it go for?? 800???? I have a 5.1 setup at time. Also, how good does it sound when its done the way you have it set up? What differences do you notice? Thanks man, you really know your stuff.
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#40 Posted by SystemWarsMan (913 posts) -

I love these threads...95% made up stuff, 5% fact.

Resistance does have uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio and its incredible when you crank it up, makes DD 5.1 and DTS sound compressed and harsh.

Optical will not pass uncompressed PCM properly. I tried it and it just reverted to a crappy stereo feed. Optical can't handle it.

If you have a Ps3 I highly recommend upgrading to an HDMI capable receiver that can pass an HD Video signal. My Pioneer elite can pass up to a 1080i signal, so I set the PS3 to that and let the TV upconvert it to 1080p. This way I can get the uncompressed PCM sound from the games and the bluray movies.

The audio capabilities of HDMI are far better than the video capabilities. I notice little difference in video between HDMI, VGA and component, slight difference, but nothing major. The sound on the other hand is a completely differrent story.

Most uncompressed PCM sound tracks run in the 4.5Mbps neighboor hood, DD5.1 is 648kbps and DTS tops out at 1.5Mbps, its a huge difference in bandwidth so the dynamic range is greater and the bass is smoother.

creekfan_basic

Any recievers that output 1080P back to the TV???
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#41 Posted by Creeping_Wolf (3399 posts) -
[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]

I love these threads...95% made up stuff, 5% fact.

Resistance does have uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio and its incredible when you crank it up, makes DD 5.1 and DTS sound compressed and harsh.

Optical will not pass uncompressed PCM properly. I tried it and it just reverted to a crappy stereo feed. Optical can't handle it.

If you have a Ps3 I highly recommend upgrading to an HDMI capable receiver that can pass an HD Video signal. My Pioneer elite can pass up to a 1080i signal, so I set the PS3 to that and let the TV upconvert it to 1080p. This way I can get the uncompressed PCM sound from the games and the bluray movies.

The audio capabilities of HDMI are far better than the video capabilities. I notice little difference in video between HDMI, VGA and component, slight difference, but nothing major. The sound on the other hand is a completely differrent story.

Most uncompressed PCM sound tracks run in the 4.5Mbps neighboor hood, DD5.1 is 648kbps and DTS tops out at 1.5Mbps, its a huge difference in bandwidth so the dynamic range is greater and the bass is smoother.

SystemWarsMan

Any recievers that output 1080P back to the TV???

There are receivers on the market that can accept / pass 1080p signals.  Here's the one I have:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=451511

Also has 3 HDMI inputs, 1 HDMI output.

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#42 Posted by Pixelgen (633 posts) -
Does using HDMI inprove the image of games, I have a 720p/1080i HDTV. ???
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#43 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -

Does using HDMI inprove the image of games, I have a 720p/1080i HDTV. ???Pixelgen

slightly from component. 

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#44 Posted by GARRYTH (6870 posts) -
i have a question for audo. i play the ps 3 game my tv is on 4 sound. then i watch a dvd and i have to turn it up to 14 volume but the tv speaker makes a slight humming sound. i don't now wether it is a setting on the tv or the ps 3. i think because the games sound great and volume only has to be on 4 to hear it. i tring to word this better but i can't sorry. any suggestions.
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#45 Posted by BroweChisox (1104 posts) -
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"]Correct, usually a receiver will have at least 2 HDMI inputs. The equipment outputting the sound needs to be told to output uncompressed PCM, and some receivers (actually any non-Denon HDMI receiver) need to have the LFE track adjusted when using PCM. I recommend the Denon AVR-2307CI or 887 (Basically the same model) for a great budget minded HDMI receiver.SystemWarsMan
How much does it go for?? 800???? I have a 5.1 setup at time. Also, how good does it sound when its done the way you have it set up? What differences do you notice? Thanks man, you really know your stuff.

There are major differences in clarity and imaging. When a company uses all 7 channels independently, it really allows for some truly dynamic sound. One would also notice the depth that is present in uncompressed that you miss out on with compressed optical. There currently is no better way to experience home theater than with uncompressed PCM without a doubt. Oh, and I think the 2307 goes for around $800 yes, but I am sure you could find it slightly cheaper online,