Do you think sony will release DLC that will allow PS2 backwards compatability?

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#1 soldine
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I got the 160 Giger and im bumbed because I cant play MGS3 or call of duty finest hour. Its not even chrome plated!?!

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#2 ShadowBass989
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I got the 160 Giger and im bumbed because I cant play MGS3 or call of duty finest hour. Its not even chrome plated!?!

soldine
no offense but this is y im glad i got a ps3 when it launched, a little expensive, but its worth it, especially now. but for you're question, yes i think they will release a firmware update or sumthing that will allow it. once the cost for the system itself lowers.
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#3 TehSonofUgly
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once the ps2 is out of production and has stopped selling i think sony will start off selling ps2 games over psn then eventually make B/C avaible whether it'd be free or not idk

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I got the 160 Giger and im bumbed because I cant play MGS3 or call of duty finest hour. Its not even chrome plated!?!

soldine
Probably not.If anything they would just release an update for the older consoles.....Maybe.The PS2 console is dirt cheap now so if you really want to play those games just go and buy one of those.Sony made the Announcement awhile back that they were done with BC.To me it is not a huge deal anymore.
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#5 ShadowBass989
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[QUOTE="K1LLR3175"][QUOTE="soldine"]

I got the 160 Giger and im bumbed because I cant play MGS3 or call of duty finest hour. Its not even chrome plated!?!

Probably not.If anything they would just release an update for the older consoles.....Maybe.The PS2 console is dirt cheap now so if you really want to play those games just go and buy one of those.Sony made the Announcement awhile back that they were done with BC.To me it is not a huge deal anymore.

true, u have a ps3 to play ps3 games. i honestly havent played that many ps2 games n e more. but i still have my slim ps2 just incase i want to change it up for a bit.
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#6 InN3rChi011
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well my ps2 is next to my ps3 soo.....

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#7 SolidusHo
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no, if they were, they would have done it already. it's not like they DON'T have the emulation.

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#8 thelastguy
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There is a possibility, not until they stop production of the PS2 though

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#9 SirOWNZalot86
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buy the Backwards compatibility add on... its like $99 or something...

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/games/slideshow/rip-ps2/img_1.jpg

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#10 Brainhunter
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Well, I've already got my PS2 sitting besides my PS3. Granted, I haven't been playing on it much, except for nostalgia purposes or going back to tackle games I didn't finish (Final Fantasy XII, God of War 2, Resident Evil 4), or playing the current gen titles released exclusively on the PS2 platform (Kingdom Hearts - Chain of Memories, Persona 4).
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#11 Doolz2024
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lol DLC? that would actually be a firmware update if they were to do this. fortunately i dont have to worry since i own a 60GB :D however, i dont play ps2 games on my ps3 anyway, i just use my ps2 ;)
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#12 MassacreMonk
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buy the Backwards compatibility add on... its like $99 or something...

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/games/slideshow/rip-ps2/img_1.jpg

SirOWNZalot86

Exactly, if people care about BC that much just get a PS2 for 99$. If not just buy a used PS2.

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#13 K1LLR3175
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Yeah you should be able to find a used PS2 for about 20-70 bucks.
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#14 bullet189
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That's why I kept mine even though my PS3 is bc. But it still doesn't play some games like Ar tonelico 2
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#15 SirOWNZalot86
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i have one of my old ps2's but i need to buy a video cable for it! i think i have an extra componet laying around here... i also need to find a network adapter so i can put in my hard drive and relive my HD loader days lol we need a PS3 HD loader

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#16 TIGERLIONX
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its impossible, since the BC of the older models were able due to a chip inside the ps3, this was removed for the newer versions, the only way to play ps2 games on a recent ps3 version would be via the PSN store, just like that. or if they launch another version with BC in it, but i dont think that would happen

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#17 cheez-it_kid
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How does a 60gb have BC but not a 120?!?
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#18 Needles-Kane
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No, they won't. They haven't even falsely gave hope for it like sony always does (GT4 online, E3 bs, permanent hardware BC, etc). It is done, like one of sony's people said on an interview posted by GS. Anyways, pure software BC would suck. Just look at the good 80gb bc, it had partial hardware and still had a lot of problems.
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#19 Kyuubi_Vegetto
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How does a 60gb have BC but not a 120?!?cheez-it_kid

Maybe cause when Sony were making newer model PS3's they decided on removing some of the technology that originally enabled backwards compatiblity (supposedly to cut costs).

60 Gb = High BC

80 Gb = Low BC

120 Gb = No BC

Anybody Bawwwing over this has no one but themselves to get mad at.

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#20 shabab12
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ITS A HARDWARE ISSUE. Its not a DLC thing. It CANNOT be done.
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#21 Darthmatt
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I wish they could make some kind of USB adapter and a patch that could BC PS2 games.

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#22 TheGreatOutdoor
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I got the 160 Giger and im bumbed because I cant play MGS3 or call of duty finest hour. Its not even chrome plated!?!

soldine

As much as I wish they would, I don't think they will. I say this because I see them wanting to milk us even more. I think instead of BC, they will just start putting PS2 games on PSN for you to buy (yet again). I am happy I still have my original fat PS2. I take it apart about 1-2 times a year to clean it and it works like a brand new PS2. I also take my controllers apart and clean them to keep them working like new. Once I get another PS3 and it's warranty runs out, I will do the same thing to it.

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#23 TheGreatOutdoor
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ITS A HARDWARE ISSUE. Its not a DLC thing. It CANNOT be done. shabab12
Wait...Isn't a emulator, software? If so, then no it isn't a hardware issue. The first PS3s ran BC with hardware, but the 80 that has BC does it with emulation. So again, if a emulator is just some software to allow a game to run on a system, then yes BC can be brought back through a firmware update. I have never dealt with emulation, so I am not sure if a emulator is a piece of hardware or software.

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[QUOTE="shabab12"]ITS A HARDWARE ISSUE. Its not a DLC thing. It CANNOT be done. TheGreatOutdoor

Wait...Isn't a emulator, software? If so, then no it isn't a hardware issue. The first PS3s ran BC with hardware, but the 80 that has BC does it with emulation. So again, if a emulator is just some software to allow a game to run on a system, then yes BC can be brought back through a firmware update. I have never dealt with emulation, so I am not sure if a emulator is a piece of hardware or software.

Well the 80gb had extra hardware aswell to help with the emulation. But it is possible to do a full emulation, a couple of coders made a ps2 emulator for pc in their spare time, so Sony could make a full emulation on the ps3 w/out added hardware

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#25 Sk8ter_213
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No, thats not going to happen. Its more Hardware than data.
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[QUOTE="soldine"]As much as I wish they would, I don't think they will. I say this because I see them wanting to milk us even more. I think instead of BC, they will just start putting PS2 games on PSN for you to buy (yet again). I am happy I still have my original fat PS2. I take it apart about 1-2 times a year to clean it and it works like a brand new PS2. I also take my controllers apart and clean them to keep them working like new. Once I get another PS3 and it's warranty runs out, I will do the same thing to it.

TheGreatOutdoor
it's not to milk us, it's because people complained about the ps3 being so much so they removed what they could to lower the price. gawd...

[QUOTE="shabab12"]ITS A HARDWARE ISSUE. Its not a DLC thing. It CANNOT be done. TheGreatOutdoor

Wait...Isn't a emulator, software? If so, then no it isn't a hardware issue. The first PS3s ran BC with hardware, but the 80 that has BC does it with emulation. So again, if a emulator is just some software to allow a game to run on a system, then yes BC can be brought back through a firmware update. I have never dealt with emulation, so I am not sure if a emulator is a piece of hardware or software.

The 80 gig used software emulation for the processor but still had hardware put in for the gpu.
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#27 bpw8
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paying 99 for a system to play ps2 games plus 10 for component cables and 40 for wireless controllers. So that is not appealing to me. We don't really do wires makes the living room messy. but the main reason i got the ps3 is because it would play all the games in my library. right now i am playing through the god of war series and my wife is playing final fantasy x-2. it would suck if the ps3 died. i really dont want several systems to play my games. it was worth the price i paid for to have all that and BC.
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#28 NoOne-NBA-
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I still think they removed it to save themselves the headache. There were nothing but problems with it from the start. They kept tweaking it, and (IMO) finally decided it was easier to get rid of it, than support it. I didn't need BC anyway because I had to keep my PS2 when I upgraded. I wanted to keep playing shooting games, and my PS1 lightguns will only hook up via the Playstation ports.
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#29 smithster118
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I doubt it. Anyway, I don't care as I own the launch 60gig :D.

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removing BC = stupidest idea ever
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#31 coolkid93
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I'm extremely glad that I got a ps3 when it came out. I have the 60GB. They probably wil come out with it but I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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#32 PSP107
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Sony should improve PS1/PS2 support by allowing in game XMB access while playing PS1/PS2 games. i just re bought Devil May Cry(2001) Twisted Metal Black(2001/02) GTA San Andreas(2004) all for $23 . it be cool if u can listen to ur music
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#33 Dawq902
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I don't care really because I just sold my PS2 and 50+ games and accesories to get a PS3 with KZ2. I lost my CoD collection and my entire Sly Cooper trilogy as well as a lot of other great games.

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#34 ThePlothole
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[QUOTE="SirOWNZalot86"]

buy the Backwards compatibility add on... its like $99 or something...

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/games/slideshow/rip-ps2/img_1.jpg

MassacreMonk

Exactly, if people care about BC that much just get a PS2 for 99$. If not just buy a used PS2.

You would still have to buy memory cards, extra controllers, and better audio/video cables (unless you're content with composite). And even then you don't get upscaling support.

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#35 ChiSoxBombers
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isnt backwards compatibility somewhere in the hardware? i dont know if a FW update has the power to change the entire system like that. i heard somewhere that Sony saved about $100 per console in ditching BC, so i assume its a hardware issue

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#36 bluem00se
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once the ps2 is out of production and has stopped selling i think sony will start off selling ps2 games over psn then eventually make B/C avaible whether it'd be free or not idk

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My thoughts exactly.
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#37 ThePlothole
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Well the 80gb had extra hardware aswell to help with the emulation. But it is possible to do a full emulation, a couple of coders made a ps2 emulator for pc in their spare time, so Sony could make a full emulation on the ps3 w/out added hardware

TehSonofUgly

Those emulators seem to require a whole lot more RAM than the PS3 has. (even taking into account the footprint of the operating system)

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#38 PSP107
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im not sure but isnt the Emotion Engine $27?
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#39 TehSonofUgly
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[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

Well the 80gb had extra hardware aswell to help with the emulation. But it is possible to do a full emulation, a couple of coders made a ps2 emulator for pc in their spare time, so Sony could make a full emulation on the ps3 w/out added hardware

ThePlothole

Those emulators seem to require a whole lot more RAM than the PS3 has. (even taking into account the footprint of the operating system)

well pcsx2 doens't use that much RAM, less than most PC games, but it does require a very fast processor (although thats what the PS3 cell is, right? :P

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[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

Well the 80gb had extra hardware aswell to help with the emulation. But it is possible to do a full emulation, a couple of coders made a ps2 emulator for pc in their spare time, so Sony could make a full emulation on the ps3 w/out added hardware

Those emulators seem to require a whole lot more RAM than the PS3 has. (even taking into account the footprint of the operating system)

well pcsx2 doens't use that much RAM, less than most PC games, but it does require a very fast processor (although thats what the PS3 cell is, right? :P

But developers remind us constantly that the processor for the ps3 is hard to develop for, even a universal PS2 emulator. That is why the 360 (i believe) did emulation separately for xbox game to be playable, which will probably be how the PS3 will do it in the future. Release PS2 games on psn with the emulation updated at the same time so you do not have to buy the game again if you already own it.
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#41 ThePlothole
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TehSonofUgly

That isn't saying much. One complaint developers seem to occasionally bring up every console generation is how restrictive consoles are in terms of RAM. Anyways, the one you mentioned requires 512MB of system memory. 1GB recommended. The PS3 has 512MB total (ie the sum of both system and graphics memory).

The Cell is not directly comparable to a more conventional PC CPU. It does some things better, but others worse.

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#42 TehSonofUgly
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That isn't saying much. One complaint developers seem to occasionally bring up every console generation is how restrictive consoles are in terms of RAM. Anyways, the one you mentioned requires 512MB of system memory. 1GB recommended. The PS3 has 512MB total (ie the sum of both system and graphics memory).

The Cell is not directly comparable to a more conventional PC CPU. It does some things better, but others worse.

ThePlothole

True, but i think with Sony making it they could make it a lot more effecient and maybe a possibility way down the line

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#43 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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I really would like for ps2 backwards compatibility to be put back in, but lately I'm thinking it may not be a possibility anymore. If you think about it, having a $300 console that can play the ENTIRE Playstation back catalogue is a huge selling point. I understand the ps2 still sells, but you would think that Sony would want the ps3 in as many homes as possible, especially considering the extended length of this generation. It doesn't make sense to me.

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#44 hot_shot_9
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no, if they were, they would have done it already. it's not like they DON'T have the emulation.

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Yeah they could have put it in a firmware like a while ago i reckon, if they could have it would have been wise to do it when they cut the ps3 slim price in october. Then they couldah added plays last gen games to their list of features.
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#45 StealthMonkey4
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There is a possibility, not until they stop production of the PS2 though

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Wouldn't this encourage PS2 owners to advance up to the PS3 if they can play their current PS2 games on a PS3.

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#46 sizzlingdviper
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There is a possibility, not until they stop production of the PS2 though

thelastguy

Well here in UK it seems like production of the PS2 ended a way long time ago-To find a brand new PS2 in any gaming shop is about as rare as rocking horse s*it !

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#47 RazerBlade13
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Until they stop producing PS2s, it ain't gonna happen. I really want it too though.

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#48 shani_boy101
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I got the 160 Giger and im bumbed because I cant play MGS3 or call of duty finest hour. Its not even chrome plated!?!

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i think they will once the PS2 is discontinued, and since it's still selling strong for a 10 year old console, I think it will be a while.
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#49 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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I don't think that the ps2 being around should matter though, because shouldn't sonys focus be on the ps3? $300 for a ps1, ps2, ps3, AND a blu ray player? Sony is missing, or has missed, major opportunities to eat into the console market share.