Will Guild Wars 2 dethronize WoW after it realise in China ?

My question is that will be World of Warcraft be dethronized after GW2 realise in China,... analysts say that will double their player base... Currently they have 4.100.000 2 weeks last active accounts as they said , source GW2 forum. After China realise they will double that number they stating it. So my question is  will GW2 detronize WoW with last 7.100.000 Subscribers  ? Will WoW after 8 years of king proportions will be trown at second place ? Will PVP oriented MMO take its place ?   Please dont troll me or any of those 2 great games.  Post your opinions and dont troll.  Unreal  you are not welcome to this post.

You actually think Guild Wars 2 has 4 million people playing it. :lol:

You actually think Guild Wars 2 has 4 million people playing it. :lol:

 

-Unreal-

Did you read my post, you are not welcome here.   You just troll you dont post serious reply.   And i dont think that i just quote moderator from gw2 forum.

It may pose a serious challenge to WoW in China, but not to the extent that it'll dethrone WoW worldwide.

Also: dethrone is a verb itself. There's no such thing as dethronize. 

The simplest style is often the best style :)

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

You actually think Guild Wars 2 has 4 million people playing it. :lol:

 

Assimilat0r

Did you read my post, you are not welcome here.   You just troll you dont post serious reply.   And i dont think that i just quote moderator from gw2 forum.

As for me being welcome, that's not up to you. These are public forums. If you want a private discussion, you can do it elsewhere. If you can't handle other people saying things you disagree with, don't open a discussion about something which invites opposing views. I don't agree with a lot of what you say about WoW because I am 99.9% sure you have barely even played the game to comment on the things you do, but I understand there's nothing stopping you from saying it.

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

You actually think Guild Wars 2 has 4 million people playing it. :lol:

 

-Unreal-

Did you read my post, you are not welcome here.   You just troll you dont post serious reply.   And i dont think that i just quote moderator from gw2 forum.

As for me being welcome, that's not up to you. These are public forums. If you want a private discussion, you can do it elsewhere. If you can't handle other people saying things you disagree with, don't open a discussion about something which invites opposing views. I don't agree with a lot of what you say about WoW because I am 99.9% sure you have barely even played the game to comment on the things you do, but I understand there's nothing stopping you from saying it.

Played World of Warcraft from 2004 to 2007. Server Dragonmawh EU. PVP Server.   Stoped to play After Sunwell patch in Burning Crusade.  Nickname Assimilator back then was lvl 70 Night Elf Hunter, guild Balkan Legion.

It may pose a serious challenge to WoW in China, but not to the extent that it'll dethrone WoW worldwide.

Also: dethrone is a verb itself. There's no such thing as dethronize. 

The simplest style is often the best style :)

Ravenshout

Thank you for advice, sorry English is my third language :) Cheers.

Link to the post that said they had 4.1 million active players.

Because I am pretty sure that was the ammount of total logins (non-unique) in the past 2 weeks. Pretty sure GW2 sales is still in the 3 million mark.

Link to the post that said they had 4.1 million active players.

Because I am pretty sure that was the ammount of total logins (non-unique) in the past 2 weeks. Pretty sure GW2 sales is still in the 3 million mark.

Maroxad

Only Blizzard will dethrone WoW, stop with these threads seriously...

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Link to the post that said they had 4.1 million active players.

Because I am pretty sure that was the ammount of total logins (non-unique) in the past 2 weeks. Pretty sure GW2 sales is still in the 3 million mark.

FelipeInside

Going by friends, forums and how many guilds that were very populated before but are now desolate, I would say that the retention rate for this game was absolutely horrible. And the revenue reports arent encouraging either. This quarter the revenue from this game decreased by 20% compared to last quarter. Of course, this could mean that the people who play the game have bought what all they want and the cash shop making less and less money because of that.

Hell logging on in the GS guild, it is not all too often I dont see more than 4 people online (somtimes I have seen it go up to 6) and even there it is usually the same people. Compare this to launch when there were frequently over 30 people on at once, with a much greater variety of people playing. The general consensus of the game isnt very encouraging about its retention rate either.

I wouldnt be surprised if there only are 200k-400k people left, and if my estimate is correct, that means that yes, even SWTOR has a bigger subscription base than GW has an active playerbase.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Link to the post that said they had 4.1 million active players.

Because I am pretty sure that was the ammount of total logins (non-unique) in the past 2 weeks. Pretty sure GW2 sales is still in the 3 million mark.

Maroxad

Going by friends, forums and how many guilds that were very populated before but are now desolate, I would say that the retention rate for this game was absolutely horrible. And the revenue reports arent encouraging either. This quarter the revenue from this game decreased by 20% compared to last quarter. Of course, this could mean that the people who play the game have bought what all they want and the cash shop making less and less money because of that.

Hell logging on in the GS guild, it is not all too often I dont see more than 4 people online (somtimes I have seen it go up to 6) and even there it is usually the same people. Compare this to launch when there were frequently over 30 people on at once, with a much greater variety of people playing. The general consensus of the game isnt very encouraging about its retention rate either.

I wouldnt be surprised if there only are 200k-400k people left, and if my estimate is correct, that means that yes, even SWTOR has a bigger subscription base than GW has an active playerbase.

All aboard the GW2 hate train. Choo Choo!

Not sure. Don't care much to be honest. Prefer Guild Wars 2, mind. It deserves success.

Not sure. Don't care much to be honest. Prefer Guild Wars 2, mind. It deserves success.

uninspiredcup

well apparently it's the fastest selling MMORPG of all time

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

Not sure. Don't care much to be honest. Prefer Guild Wars 2, mind. It deserves success.

lostrib

well apparently it's the fastest selling MMORPG of all time

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

Not sure. Don't care much to be honest. Prefer Guild Wars 2, mind. It deserves success.

FelipeInside

well apparently it's the fastest selling MMORPG of all time

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It sold 3 million in the first nine months. Don't know how many it sold after that. I'm guessing as active player it probably has 1-2 million people playing, maybe less (that's just my guess). It's gonna sell more obviously when it releases in China.lostrib

Going by friends, forums and how many guilds that were very populated before but are now desolate, I would say that the retention rate for this game was absolutely horrible. And the revenue reports arent encouraging either. This quarter the revenue from this game decreased by 20% compared to last quarter. Of course, this could mean that the people who play the game have bought what all they want and the cash shop making less and less money because of that.

Hell logging on in the GS guild, it is not all too often I dont see more than 4 people online (somtimes I have seen it go up to 6) and even there it is usually the same people. Compare this to launch when there were frequently over 30 people on at once, with a much greater variety of people playing. The general consensus of the game isnt very encouraging about its retention rate either.

I wouldnt be surprised if there only are 200k-400k people left, and if my estimate is correct, that means that yes, even SWTOR has a bigger subscription base than GW has an active playerbase.

All aboard the GW2 hate train. Choo Choo!

First stop, the moon, next stop, Alpha Centauri, third stop, true enlightenment :D

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Going by friends, forums and how many guilds that were very populated before but are now desolate, I would say that the retention rate for this game was absolutely horrible. And the revenue reports arent encouraging either. This quarter the revenue from this game decreased by 20% compared to last quarter. Of course, this could mean that the people who play the game have bought what all they want and the cash shop making less and less money because of that.

Hell logging on in the GS guild, it is not all too often I dont see more than 4 people online (somtimes I have seen it go up to 6) and even there it is usually the same people. Compare this to launch when there were frequently over 30 people on at once, with a much greater variety of people playing. The general consensus of the game isnt very encouraging about its retention rate either.

I wouldnt be surprised if there only are 200k-400k people left, and if my estimate is correct, that means that yes, even SWTOR has a bigger subscription base than GW has an active playerbase.

Maroxad

All aboard the GW2 hate train. Choo Choo!

First stop, the moon, next stop, Alpha Centauri, third stop, true enlightenment :D

My question is that will be World of Warcraft be dethronized after GW2 realise in China,... analysts say that will double their player base... Currently they have 4.100.000 2 weeks last active accounts as they said , source GW2 forum. After China realise they will double that number they stating it. So my question is  will GW2 detronize WoW with last 7.100.000 Subscribers  ? Will WoW after 8 years of king proportions will be trown at second place ? Will PVP oriented MMO take its place ?   Please dont troll me or any of those 2 great games.  Post your opinions and dont troll.  Unreal  you are not welcome to this post.

Assimilat0r

There's a couple of flaw in your reasoning. Even if GW2 ended up with 8 mil active players, it's not the same as having 8 million active subscribers. The GW2 players are not paying to play, comparing that to WoW subscription numbers is comparing apples to oranges.

Next issue is that this January they had sold around 3 million copies, so by today they are unlikely to have sold more than 4 million total, and that's being fairly generous. that means that in order for there to be 4.1 million active players, more or less every single player who bought the game would have to still be actively playing it. 

A last issue is that GW2 might not do as well in Asia as it's done in US and Europe. GW2's biggest selling point here has been that its free to play. In Asia they ten to use very different monetization models centered around internet cafes rather than personal subscriptions. This means that GW2 is likely to face a much more competitive market in Asia. It should still do well as it's a solid game with a lot of good content.

Bottom line? GW2 is a solid game that's doing well, it's great to see. However in terms of success, not even in the same league as WoW.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

well apparently it's the fastest selling MMORPG of all time

Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Really? I thought SWTOR would of taken that title.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] Yeah, they released articles on it already. So it's been out for about a year.. Sold 3 million or so in 9 months. So by now, it's sold quite a bit more. FASTEST selling MMORPG of all time, but we will see about BEST-selling. I doubt anything can topple World of Warcraft though.Ravenshout

Thank you for advice, sorry English is my third language :) Cheers.

Assimilat0r

There's a couple of flaw in your reasoning. Even if GW2 ended up with 8 mil active players, it's not the same as having 8 million active subscribers. The GW2 players are not paying to play, comparing that to WoW subscription numbers is comparing apples to oranges.

Mazoch

   To be honest, is hard to belive that WoW has 8 million ctive subscribers. Most of the WoW users are in Asia, in which the pay scheduled business is based in buying hours of play and not in monthly fees, and asians pay abut ten times less for playing WoW than europeans or americans which use the montly fee system. I suspect that all of that is just PR talk.

   I also don't think that GW2 has 4 million of active players -despite I belive that the game sold more than 4 million units-, but so far has a huge amount of players and it's being very succesfull for AreNanet (so succesfull that they already ditched any expansion for 2014 due they model of free content each 2 weeks and buyable cosmetic stuff is keeping busy four PvE teams at time).

   I think that the China release will enhance that success, but beyond lowering the prite of the items and stuff (the GW2 AH is universal and not local to each continent) I think that will not have an special aftermath to the current users. I mean: I like the game, but having a lot more of people playing will not be better or worse to me.

Only WoW will kill WoW

Can't really compare. One is a sub and the other is free to play after buying the game. If they were both subs GW2 would be well below SWTOR and not in range of WoW at all.

That said GW2 will never, ever make the $ that WoW has...ever....never...ever even come close to it.

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Thank you for advice, sorry English is my third language :) Cheers.

Ser_Charles

Bosnia mate... You ?

I think World of Warcraft since it's launch must have sold over 25 Million copies (Just the base game) 

[QUOTE="Ser_Charles"][QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Thank you for advice, sorry English is my third language :) Cheers.

Assimilat0r

Bosnia mate... You ?

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="Ser_Charles"] Similar with me... But for me english is my second language. I wonder where are you from:)slabber44

Bosnia mate... You ?

As i see you are a new member, welcome. Second thing dont troll on topics, if you dont have a proper reply on theme then dont post at all.  And this topic is about people opinion for  Guild Wars  2 and WoW player base.

I think World of Warcraft since it's launch must have sold over 25 Million copies (Just the base game) 

HyperWarlock

More then 50.000.000 or more. In my server once was online roughly like million people( that was high peak of WoW).  Even my self  i had like 3-4 accounts.

[QUOTE="slabber44"][QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Bosnia mate... You ?

Assimilat0r

As i see you are a new member, welcome. Second thing dont troll on topics, if you dont have a proper reply on theme then dont post at all. And this topic is about people opinion for Guild Wars 2 and WoW player base.

First off, I'm not gonna make this personnal, but I'm not a new member. Second I played WoW for a year back in 08 to 09. Also have played GW1 for well over a year and tried GW2 and lost intrest in it. I'm not trolling on your topic. I'm saying is your topic serves no purpose other than to start arguments between said player bases. Sorry you don't see it that way, but that's basically all it does. This is not a personnal attack, but a statement about your topic choices. I've played both games and feel like it's a topic that has only one purpose and that's to stir the pot between the fanbases of both games. I've seen enough of these kind of topics and I find them personally useless. My opinion! Sorry if it made you feel like a personnal attack.

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="slabber44"] First you start a topic about BF series vs CoD. Now you have one for these two games! What's the point of these threads? They do nothing but rehash old arguments between those who prefer one over the other and solve absolutely nothing. Please make threads that serve a purpose other than starting fanboy arguments! Most of us really don't give a rats ass which one has more players. slabber44

As i see you are a new member, welcome. Second thing dont troll on topics, if you dont have a proper reply on theme then dont post at all. And this topic is about people opinion for Guild Wars 2 and WoW player base.

First off, I'm not gonna make this personnal, but I'm not a new member. Second I played WoW for a year back in 08 to 09. Also have played GW1 for well over a year and tried GW2 and lost intrest in it. I'm not trolling on your topic. I'm saying is your topic serves no purpose other than to start arguments between said player bases. Sorry you don't see it that way, but that's basically all it does. This is not a personnal attack, but a statement about your topic choices. I've played both games and feel like it's a topic that has only one purpose and that's to stir the pot between the fanbases of both games. I've seen enough of these kind of topics and I find them personally useless. My opinion! Sorry if it made you feel like a personnal attack.

Hey mate sorry for a being arrogant, thank you for that kind of reply. I am not a funboy too.  Played Both Gw2 and WoW both games spent thousend of hours into it. I am just curios will be wow  dethroned after decade of being champion in class. And opinion of people.  I know WoW made most money in gaming history till now. No one gonna beat him in close future thats true. But point is he gonna be played less then other MMO such as GW2 who has most potentional to have most active members. THats the point about topic.... And i like to see that members of GS have strong and good dialogue about games, not trolling like i stated for Unreal. I am just curios about BF4 and COD,  GW2 - WoW nothing bad nothing troll about those topics. Cheers mate and sorry again if i insulted you on some way.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Going by friends, forums and how many guilds that were very populated before but are now desolate, I would say that the retention rate for this game was absolutely horrible. And the revenue reports arent encouraging either. This quarter the revenue from this game decreased by 20% compared to last quarter. Of course, this could mean that the people who play the game have bought what all they want and the cash shop making less and less money because of that.

Hell logging on in the GS guild, it is not all too often I dont see more than 4 people online (somtimes I have seen it go up to 6) and even there it is usually the same people. Compare this to launch when there were frequently over 30 people on at once, with a much greater variety of people playing. The general consensus of the game isnt very encouraging about its retention rate either.

I wouldnt be surprised if there only are 200k-400k people left, and if my estimate is correct, that means that yes, even SWTOR has a bigger subscription base than GW has an active playerbase.

Maroxad

All aboard the GW2 hate train. Choo Choo!

First stop, the moon, next stop, Alpha Centauri, third stop, true enlightenment :D

He is right.  GW2 has awful longevity.  I had so much hype for this game and it is what made me play hundreds of hours of GW1.  Little did I know GW1 was the better game.

I find this whole "Best selling western MMO" abit redundant aswell. it has no subscription fee. its a cheaper product than its competition. while decent quality and a very flash beggining with an awful end.... its not really THAT surprising. especially when critics threw 9s at it just for beeing slightly more entertaining for the first 30 levels. Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.4 million copies in 24 hours. SWTOR had 1 Million subscribers within 3 days. I don't understand how box sale numbers over 9 months is anything to brag about. when their profits are down 20% and retention rate is poor... seems like lame marketing to me.MBirdy88

why do you care so much

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]I find this whole "Best selling western MMO" abit redundant aswell. it has no subscription fee. its a cheaper product than its competition. while decent quality and a very flash beggining with an awful end.... its not really THAT surprising. especially when critics threw 9s at it just for beeing slightly more entertaining for the first 30 levels. Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.4 million copies in 24 hours. SWTOR had 1 Million subscribers within 3 days. I don't understand how box sale numbers over 9 months is anything to brag about. when their profits are down 20% and retention rate is poor... seems like lame marketing to me.lostrib

why do you care so much

Cuz he is a funboy and he feels insulted with this "Trecherous" topic.

[QUOTE="Ser_Charles"][QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Thank you for advice, sorry English is my third language :) Cheers.

Assimilat0r

Bosnia mate... You ?

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="Ser_Charles"] Similar with me... But for me english is my second language. I wonder where are you from:)Ser_Charles

Bosnia mate... You ?

Whats CF?

Gamesterpheonix

GW2 has no content for you to do after reaching lev80 and try every dungeon. It won't dethrone shit... Go on gw2 official forums and see the negativity by yourself. Every1 tells anet their pvp offering are limited and what's there is pretty mediocre, anet is stubborn enough to still push their shitty spvp. People ask (for ONE FREAKING YEAR mind you) end game, they add musical instruments to gem store worth $10 each... People ask for new maps in wvw they add Arrow Cart mastery... Like what in the royal fvk is up with these devs? Are they slow or what's up? Im still playing it 1y later because i enjoy their combat system a lot but as soon as ps4 is released and i can move to another game that has great pvp, i will uninstall this trash and never look back. Funny how gw1 lasted me 5 n a half years (would've been much more if gw2 wasn't released and also received some new expansions) and i was bored as fk of gw2 after ~5 months.silversix_

"Bored as fk of gw2"

"I will uninstall this trash"

"I'm still playing after a year..."

People never cease to amaze me.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]GW2 has no content for you to do after reaching lev80 and try every dungeon. It won't dethrone shit... Go on gw2 official forums and see the negativity by yourself. Every1 tells anet their pvp offering are limited and what's there is pretty mediocre, anet is stubborn enough to still push their shitty spvp. People ask (for ONE FREAKING YEAR mind you) end game, they add musical instruments to gem store worth $10 each... People ask for new maps in wvw they add Arrow Cart mastery... Like what in the royal fvk is up with these devs? Are they slow or what's up? Im still playing it 1y later because i enjoy their combat system a lot but as soon as ps4 is released and i can move to another game that has great pvp, i will uninstall this trash and never look back. Funny how gw1 lasted me 5 n a half years (would've been much more if gw2 wasn't released and also received some new expansions) and i was bored as fk of gw2 after ~5 months.FelipeInside

"Bored as fk of gw2"

"I will uninstall this trash"

"I'm still playing after a year..."

People never cease to amaze me.

Same tought mate.  Their anger , nostalgia , emotions cause to blind people at most causes.

You actually think Guild Wars 2 has 4 million people playing it. :lol:

-Unreal-

GW2 has no content for you to do after reaching lev80 and try every dungeon. It won't dethrone shit... Go on gw2 official forums and see the negativity by yourself. Every1 tells anet their pvp offering are limited and what's there is pretty mediocre, anet is stubborn enough to still push their shitty spvp. People ask (for ONE FREAKING YEAR mind you) end game, they add musical instruments to gem store worth $10 each... People ask for new maps in wvw they add Arrow Cart mastery... Like what in the royal fvk is up with these devs? Are they slow or what's up? Im still playing it 1y later because i enjoy their combat system a lot but as soon as ps4 is released and i can move to another game that has great pvp, i will uninstall this trash and never look back. Funny how gw1 lasted me 5 n a half years (would've been much more if gw2 wasn't released and also received some new expansions) and i was bored as fk of gw2 after ~5 months.silversix_