is the Radeon HD 4870 better than the 9800 GX2?

noslyr114

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

[QUOTE="slyr114"]nokillerkane246

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

You must have confused the 3870 with the 4870 :P

The difference between those two cards in performance is Huge.

[QUOTE="killerkane246"]

[QUOTE="slyr114"]nowklzip

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

You must have confused the 3870 with the 4870 :P

The difference between those two cards in performance is Huge.

4870 my bad lol

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[QUOTE="slyr114"]nokillerkane246

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

You must have confused the 3870 with the 4870 :P

The difference between those two cards in performance is Huge.

4870 my bad lol

It's almost as good.

[QUOTE="killerkane246"][QUOTE="wklzip"][QUOTE="killerkane246"]

[QUOTE="slyr114"]nochandlerr_360

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

You must have confused the 3870 with the 4870 :P

The difference between those two cards in performance is Huge.

4870 my bad lol

It's almost as good.

As the 9800 GX2?

It's almost as good.

chandlerr_360

And costs at least 150$ less than a 9800GX2. ;)

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

It's almost as good.

matrixian

And costs at least 150$ less than a 9800GX2. ;)

I'm not looking for cost im looking for performence

[QUOTE="matrixian"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

It's almost as good.

killerkane246

And costs at least 150$ less than a 9800GX2. ;)

I'm not looking for cost im looking for performence

A 9800GX2 is faster than a 4870.

edit: If you want the most performance, crossfire 2 4870. Or wait a few more weeks for the R700.

[QUOTE="killerkane246"][QUOTE="matrixian"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

It's almost as good.

wklzip

And costs at least 150$ less than a 9800GX2. ;)

I'm not looking for cost im looking for performence

A 9800GX2 is faster than a 4870.

Thank You

then take 2 4870 or wait for 4870 X2(R700 is it?)MajinFix

This. And never say that cost isn't a factor, because if thats true than just get 3 GTX 280s and quit wasting our time.

[QUOTE="MajinFix"]then take 2 4870 or wait for 4870 X2(R700 is it?)Penguin_dragon

This. And never say that cost isn't a factor, because if thats true than just get 3 GTX 280s and quit wasting our time.

Sorry but 3 SLI is a bit gay to have. Have it two but three is just too little the preformance boost. We are talking about few frames per second in games for a 600$ more than normal SLI? That's just laaaame. And should I mention the new motherboard, the new PSU the new case (cause i doubt you'll put like three monsters in a normal case and don't forget a power plant next to your house so that you have enough electricity.

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[QUOTE="MajinFix"]then take 2 4870 or wait for 4870 X2(R700 is it?)Shegevara

This. And never say that cost isn't a factor, because if thats true than just get 3 GTX 280s and quit wasting our time.

Sorry but 3 SLI is a bit gay to have. Have it two but three is just too little the preformance boost. We are talking about few frames per second in games for a 600$ more than normal SLI? That's just laaaame. And should I mention the new motherboard, the new PSU the new case (cause i doubt you'll put like three monsters in a normal case and don't forget a power plant next to your house so that you have enough electricity.

Yeah don't you need something ridicules like a 1200w for just DUEL GTX 280s? I dread to think tri SLI GTX 280s...

[QUOTE="Shegevara"][QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"]

[QUOTE="MajinFix"]then take 2 4870 or wait for 4870 X2(R700 is it?)death1505921

This. And never say that cost isn't a factor, because if thats true than just get 3 GTX 280s and quit wasting our time.

Sorry but 3 SLI is a bit gay to have. Have it two but three is just too little the preformance boost. We are talking about few frames per second in games for a 600$ more than normal SLI? That's just laaaame. And should I mention the new motherboard, the new PSU the new case (cause i doubt you'll put like three monsters in a normal case and don't forget a power plant next to your house so that you have enough electricity.

Yeah don't you need something ridicules like a 1200w for just DUEL GTX 280s? I dread to think tri SLI GTX 280s...

at firingsquad, they tri sli'd the 280, with a 1300w psu... thermaltake toughpower btw

and... just a few frames? heres and example (from firingsquad):

Lost planet EC:

1 280, 2550x1600 4xaa 16xaf: 41 fps

2 280: 78

3: 107 fps

aint THAT an improvment?

this happens in quite a few other games

improvment my a$$. I'm sick of guys telling they can see a difference from 60 to 90 fps, and you wanna show me a difference between 78 and 107. Good luck finding a monitor with 110 mhz Shegevara

It's true, once you get to 65-70 FPS it's all moot point. The big factor though, is future games.While Tri-SLI 280's are getting 107on the newest DX10 games maxed out, and the HD 4870 is only getting 49, then what is it going to be getting on more graphically intense DX10 games in the future?

Of course, you can always just quad Xfire HD 4870's (if they will fit) and make the same case :P

No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.04dcarraher

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.Luminouslight

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

^ I was talking about the 3870 not 4870 because the guy had them confused and asked about the 3870. Also a 8800GT is about 10% faster than a single 3870 so you dont know what your talking about and a 9600gt is 10-15% slower than a 8800GT and the 3850 is on par with a 9600gt. 04dcarraher

Where?:|

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.rik666

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

With all these 'better than', 'on par', etc. statements, wouldn't it be nice to see someone make a performance tree or something of all the available cards out? The higher up in the chart a card is, the better its performance. I don't know enough about all the cards to even start making this, otherwise I would do it.

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[QUOTE="slyr114"]nowklzip

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

You must have confused the 3870 with the 4870 :P

The difference between those two cards in performance is Huge.

^ Here the OP edited his posts/topic this guy corrected him.

Well heres somebenchmarks about the Geforce 9's 8's and all of ATI 3*** series without the 4850/70's. the 4*** series are very well done with the price vs performance ratio.

topickillerkane246

Technically it is. Performance wise no.

improvment my a$$. I'm sick of guys telling they can see a difference from 60 to 90 fps, and you wanna show me a difference between 78 and 107. Good luck finding a monitor with 110 mhz Shegevara

CRT for the win 120Hz mine has.

Well of if 78 or 107 is the average, you may well see lows of 20 or 30 or less which indeed you can see easy enough. Min FPS is vitally important more important than max or average in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.rik666

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

[QUOTE="Shegevara"]improvment my a$$. I'm sick of guys telling they can see a difference from 60 to 90 fps, and you wanna show me a difference between 78 and 107. Good luck finding a monitor with 110 mhz teddyrob

CRT for the win 120Hz mine has.

Well of if 78 or 107 is the average, you may well see lows of 20 or 30 or less which indeed you can see easy enough. Min FPS is vitally important more important than max or average in my opinion.

And you will tell me that you must have 120 fps, unless it's unplayable and too laggy? Common!!!

And what's the point of buying 1800 $ worth of graphics and see a 20 fps low.

My point is that you can buy a nice HD4850 for under 200$ which will play games just great not really on big 30'' screen but it will on a normal one, will fit in any case and you can save those "remaining" 1600$ (lol) that you would spend them on already with one foot in obsolete department TRI-SLI 280GTX, So you can spend those 1600$ on future cards which will probably be alot better performance and consume aloooooooot less power.

[QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.yoyo462001

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

baahah, people always make up an order, theres been 4 different answers regarding 8800GT 9600GT HD3870 HD3850.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.rik666

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

baahah, people always make up an order, theres been 4 different answers regarding 8800GT 9600GT HD3870 HD3850.

8800GT is a country mile better than 3850 and is still considerably faster than 3870.9600GT is marginally faster than 3870 and is marginally slower than 8800GT.Those are pretty much FACTS.

Wait a second, all those benchmarks.... are your sure those are single cards cause i'm having a hard time believing that a single 8800GT can push ~40fps on 1680 x 1050 w/ 4x AA... i can see that from an SLI setup but not so much from a single 8800GT. Maybe i'm just r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d... which i may very well be, just doesn't sound right to me.sonicsurfer

With Crysis"we're naturally using the former. All details have been set to Medium, as anything higher is an absolute slideshow with entry-level and mainstream video cards, and we have utilized standard 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 resolutions for the first test."

With Crysis"we're naturally using the former. All details have been set to Medium, as anything higher is an absolute slideshow with entry-level and mainstream video cards, and we have utilized standard 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 resolutions for the first test."

04dcarraher

Oh alright, i was thinking this was on HIGH settings.

[QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.Spybot_9

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

baahah, people always make up an order, theres been 4 different answers regarding 8800GT 9600GT HD3870 HD3850.

8800GT is a country mile better than 3850 and is still considerably faster than 3870.9600GT is marginally faster than 3870 and is marginally slower than 8800GT.Those are pretty much FACTS.

Its pretty much easyer to say the 8800GT, 9600GT, and the HD 3870 are basicly exacty the same.. In nearly every bench I've seen the difference is maybe 5fps at the most.

[QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.Spybot_9

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

baahah, people always make up an order, theres been 4 different answers regarding 8800GT 9600GT HD3870 HD3850.

8800GT is a country mile better than 3850 and is still considerably faster than 3870.9600GT is marginally faster than 3870 and is marginally slower than 8800GT.Those are pretty much FACTS.

Its pretty much easyer to say the 8800GT, 9600GT, and the HD 3870 are basicly exacty the same.. In nearly every bench I've seen the difference is maybe 5fps at the most.

Also... why did we get so off topic?

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="rik666"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]No its not even better than a 9600GT which is slower than a 8800GT. But If you talking about the 3780X2 then it will give a 9800GTX(8800GTS :roll: ) a run for its money.SinfulPotato

4870 is around the preformance of a GTX 260, So IT IS SURELY better than an 9600gt and 8800gt and even the 9800GTX.

Yes, i don't know what that guy is talking about.

Also, even the 3850 is on par with 8800gt, which is on par with 9600gt.

The 3870 is better than an 8800gt.. but thats off topic.

baahah, people always make up an order, theres been 4 different answers regarding 8800GT 9600GT HD3870 HD3850.

8800GT is a country mile better than 3850 and is still considerably faster than 3870.9600GT is marginally faster than 3870 and is marginally slower than 8800GT.Those are pretty much FACTS.

Its pretty much easyer to say the 8800GT, 9600GT, and the HD 3870 are basicly exacty the same.. In nearly every bench I've seen the difference is maybe 5fps at the most.

Also... why did we get so off topic?

Becasue of the confusion caused by the TC.

[QUOTE="slyr114"]nokillerkane246

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

Two HD4850s will out-perform a 9800gx2, for a smaller pricetag too.

[QUOTE="killerkane246"]

[QUOTE="slyr114"]noxid32

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

Two HD4850s will out-perform a 9800gx2, for a smaller pricetag too.

No dude 8800GT is significantly better than 3870.Care to show benchmarks just showing a minimal difference?

Becasue of the confusion caused by the TC.

Spybot_9

Yep, the 8800 GT is 15-30% faster than the HD3870. While the 9600 GT is more or less equal to the HD3870 (depending on the game, but they generally share the same amount of wins and losses).

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[QUOTE="slyr114"]noSpybot_9

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

Two HD4850s will out-perform a 9800gx2, for a smaller pricetag too.

x8/x8 PCIE 2.0 should be enough. i.e. P45 Express and 790X should cut it (although you will run into CPU bottlenecks on the AMD platform).

Also the HD4850 CF setup won't require an 8-pin PSU.

One important note I forgot to make is that CrossFire has more disadvantages than SLI, so the best thing might be to get the two 9800GX2 and not the two HD4780X2, but that choice is for you to make.dimentionalrift

[QUOTE="xid32"][QUOTE="killerkane246"]

[QUOTE="slyr114"]noSpybot_9

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

Two HD4850s will out-perform a 9800gx2, for a smaller pricetag too.

you shouldn't be buying cheap motherboards in the first place.

Just checked the net for a while. Turns out the the Radeon HD4870 has 110-115 GB/s proccessing power, while the 9800GX2 has over 125 GB/s. The scheduled R700, aka Radeon HD4870X2, will have twice the proccessing power, meaning it will over shoot a single 9800GX2 by miles, but not two 9800GX2. The main point I'm trying to make is that you better wait for the HD4870X2 to get out and then compare prices with the 9800GX2 (if they will still be on sale at that time). However, if you are a "hardcore" gamer, try getting two 9800GX2 and the AGEIA PhysiX PPU card on an nFroce 790i or 780a (Intel or AMD), than kick back and enjoy.dimentionalrift

Wow, you haven't a clue about what you're talking about.

1. xxx GB/s is bandwidth, NOT processing power. Memory bandwidth in this case;
2. The 9800 GX2 does NOT have 125GB/s of memoyr bandwidth. Each core would have half that, but due to the nature of AFR rendering, you cann't add the two together;
3. The same goes for the HD4870 X2 as above;
4. HD4870 X2 should be able to perform as well, if not better, than Quad SLI due to poor multi GPU scaling once you go past 3 GPU's;
5. The 9800 GX2 is an EOL (End of Life) product;
6. Which idiot would buy an Ageia PPU card now that NVIDIA have implemented PhysX via CUDA? :|

One important note I forgot to make is that CrossFire has more disadvantages than SLI, so the best thing might be to get the two 9800GX2 and not the two HD4780X2, but that choice is for you to make.dimentionalrift

7. Disadvantages like what?
8. Two HD4870 X2's will make...mince meat out of two 9800 GX2's. You can't even compare the two setups (just look at how HD4870 outperforms any G92 equipped card).

Usually, I don't mind it when people who don't know much about hardware have a shot at some speculation. However when they're completely off base and recommend nonsense, they need a slap in the face.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="xid32"][QUOTE="killerkane246"]

[QUOTE="slyr114"]noShegevara

How so because im planning on ordering the GX2 but i heard from some people that the radeon was better

Two HD4850s will out-perform a 9800gx2, for a smaller pricetag too.

you shouldn't be buying cheap motherboards in the first place.

Eh, I just found a 16x 16x motherboard for 150bucks..(Which I think is cheap) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130136

Although the Intel version, if there is one, would be more expensive.