How much violence is too much violence for you?

Honestly, I love playing FPS games, and I love the rag doll physics that have been implemented for the last few years and I love seeing the blood spurts on the wall as I shoot my enemy next to a wall and all that good stuff. Maybe I'm morbid, but my perogative right? But how much is too much?

I for one would love to never see a child used as an enemy or a target in a FPS, at least they haven't done that yet. But how far is too far for you?

This is a hard question really, i mean if it we're for filmsthen it would be a lot easier, but for me i dont really think any game has reached a level of violence that I have deemed too much...

I just dont find violence in games as shocking in films, and until we get extremely photo realisic graphics i dont think i ever will. I mean, sure they can be as emotional as films, but they never feel as violent even if they are a hell of a lot more so...

personally, i have no upper limit on condition that it makes sense within the game environment - a game called schoolyard slaughter where the purpose of the game is to kill as many children as possible as quickly as possible - no way, that's right out... but a game where, as an example, enemy AI is able to take hostages and/or human shields, and children exist in this realistic, real-world envrionment, and ifi'm then placed in a situation where i can get these badguys - at the potential risk of innocent child life, i'd be fine with that

i think nothing is too edgy provided it serves a realistic purpose in a realistic context... i have read that children have been used as soldiers in civil wars in various african countries - farcry 2 could feature children, not where the purpose is killing children for your pleasure (though this is certainly what the media would focus on), but rather to further a story of the horrific things people will do... i'm sure film and television has more than covered it, why not game?

it also helps create a more immersive gaming environment... if i'm playing a game where i can take a shotgun to someone's face, is it then somehow wrong that the head explodes in a mass of blood, bone and brain matter? should a rainbow come out instead? i'd still be blowing someone's head off... people seem to be fine with "childish fantasy violence" (see the opening war sequence of the TMNT movie), but as soon as you throw in blood, limbs - i.e. make it realistic, it becomes frowned upon

so it's really not, how much violence is too much for you, it suddenly becomes, how much reality is too realistic for you?

contextual, realistic, and purposeful - and i see no reason to censor violence in entertainment...of course, i say this as an englishman, and we have slightly stricter (i would say much better) systems for selling violent games to younger people

Soldier of Fortune 2/Manhunt.

Can take those two. Depends on the context of the violence.

How much is to much? no such thing imo,If some one thinks a style of game has to much violence they dont have to play it.

And I want to extend a BIG!!!!!! middle FINGER to those that blame violence/kids bringing guns to schools etc on video games

And look at the parenting skills or lack there of.

No such thing as too far when it comes to violence. I love over the top death animations where someone's head gets chopped off and a little fountain of blood spurts out of his neck. And being able to cut off limbs should be in every game. I remember playing SoF and Die By The Sword the first time and thinking that from now on EVERY game would have similar gore, I was dissapointed to find out that's not the case.EntwineX

word bro!

Personally, nothing in a game can match the horrors of real life death. You're not going to see the actual death scenes (as it's boring, as folks don't die like in games). You won't smell death (which will make 3/4 of the players outright stop playing, no matter how morbid they are). And you have no personal attachment to the victim (Deus Ex did try to make you feel for the characters, both friendly and the enemy though).

Not until the distributors really grow up with AO (18+) games, will it be too much violence for me (seen all I've ever needed to see of horrors of death).

But I would prefer games that was more realistic than just with how many blood splatters, and meat puppets they can squeeze in a scene (let alone cuss words) and play more on the emotions -- that you gave a damn about someone you killed. Some consequences for actions that have a more real feeling, than just the run and gun blood fests. That would make the violence more real, and make folks think hard how far does pushing the envelope needs to go for "fun"?

I guess I agree with the guy who said that context matters. That being said, I think themindless, over-the-top violence that we see nowadays in games has been villified by just about everyone for no apparent reason. I used to laugh my ass off playing Goldeneye on rocket mode onthe N64. Watching soviet soldiers go flying over my head, defying all laws of nature and physics was hilarious. Hell, I was only 8 or 9 at the time, and I'd say I turned out alright. We've reached a point in games where even children realize that it's nothing like the real world. I remember being about 12 watching somebody playing Vice City and just laughing at how people honestly thought that I would be somehow affected by it. watching someone's head disappear and be replaced with a thin geyser of blood was so surreal and cartoonish that I couldn't help but laugh at the people talking about "realistic violence."

violence is internacional is human nature as animals as well.i agree with you to much violence in video games look at gear of warmanhunt 2 and many others do not think wrong of me i love seing blood when i play mature games they are some m rate games that areawsomeseing enemy in the ground with blood around his body etc is aweome but i think that the industry needs to be more creative and make interesting things as well not only fucus in violence but in others gre s try something unique.

I never, ever want to see violence to children whatsoever in video games. It is just disgusting.

That is the point where i would probably quit playing videogames, when the market becomes corrupt.

None. Quite simply, games are not real life, graphics are still not quite realistic, and most things you get to kill do not exactly have 'realistic' behaviour (most ai isnt that good yet), so its too easy to discriminate.

Thats not to say i dont care about characters in games (even sometimes i feel bad about killing certain people) but i dont care how violent it is.

I will endure violence to a point. Mindless violence (like GTA/Postal), I won't play at all. Bioshock has an interesting storyline so it keeps me entertained. CS:S is a good midpoint for me. Its not too violent, but anything more needs to have a reason.

GTA is a dynamic game, where you complete missions to progress through the storyline. You are free to do what you want in GTA, I.E. steal cars, kill people, eat, have sex, kill people. But it IS a mission driven game, and has a great storyline.

CSS is a multiplay game, as well as a boring and short singleplayer game, that consists of many rounds of killing your oppenent or planting bombs to blow S*** up. CSS isn't "not too violent". The ragdoll physics are amazingly real with blood clinging to the wall as you spray off an ak-47. You can even shoot them while they're dead on the ground and you can play with there dead body, as blood squirts out as you shoot. There is no storyline at all, only objectives that lets you kill, and kill some more.

Both games are capable of "mindless violence".

What I am pretty sure that most people don't pause to think about is the fact that any FPS is as violent as any other FPS, the only thing that changes is the level/detail of blood/gore.

For example. Call of Duty 2. Awesome game. really violent, but not much blood. Brothers in Arms. Really violent. Moderate blood and gore. T rating Versus M rating.

Another example. Soldier Of Fortune 2. Shooting terrorists. ZOMG!!!! I just shot that guys head into pieces!!!!

007:Nightfire. Shooting terrorists. Well, he is dead now. (No blood). T versus M rating.

Only difference is teh blood and guts.

Too much is when we start agreeing with Jack Tompson....

Like that'l ever happen. I hope.

GTA is a dynamic game, where you complete missions to progress through the storyline. You are free to do what you want in GTA, I.E. steal cars, kill people, eat, have sex, kill people. But it IS a mission driven game, and has a great storyline.

CSS is a multiplay game, as well as a boring and short singleplayer game, that consists of many rounds of killing your oppenent or planting bombs to blow S*** up. CSS isn't "not too violent". The ragdoll physics are amazingly real with blood clinging to the wall as you spray off an ak-47. You can even shoot them while they're dead on the ground and you can play with there dead body, as blood squirts out as you shoot. There is no storyline at all, only objectives that lets you kill, and kill some more.

Both games are capable of "mindless violence".

chuckleechuck

It depends on your definition of violence. I think beating people to death with your bare hands, bats, or cutting them in half with a chainsaw is much worse than shooting somone. The blood splattered walls aren't nearlly as bad as people having their heads fall off and being kicked until theres no blood left. Story Driven missions don't keep you from walking around murdering innocent pedestrians because you see it as fun. Besides if that isn't enough, I said its a "good midpoint for me" its certainly not as violent as GTA or Postal in my eyes.

CS:S is multiplayer so its competitive (you are playing other people). GTA is singleplayer (so you are murdering because you like to).

In my opinion, violence in video games should not be regulated, AT ALL. I do, however, believe they should be rated according to their content. This allows the market to decide what is too much for each individual, while leaving developers the freedom to use expressions of violence as warranted for realism or storyline.

Max Payne is a good example, in the scene where Max finds his wife on the bed, covered in blood with about 10 bullet holes in her stomach. That really made an impact on the player and gave you an idea of what Max must have been going through.

I would imagine pointless, gratuitous, and disgusting violence just wouldn't sell very well. Whereas realistic and meaningful violence can definitely add something to the game experience.

In my opinion, violence in video games should not be regulated, AT ALL. I do, however, believe they should be rated according to their content. This allows the market to decide what is too much for each individual, while leaving developers the freedom to use expressions of violence as warranted for realism or storyline.

Max Payne is a good example, in the scene where Max finds his wife on the bed, covered in blood with about 10 bullet holes in her stomach. That really made an impact on the player and gave you an idea of what Max must have been going through.

I would imagine pointless, gratuitous, and disgusting violence just wouldn't sell very well. Whereas realistic and meaningful violence can definitely add something to the game experience.

baal46

Well spoke, I couldn't have said it better myself.

When it's needless without any purpose other than ultra violence. Like if a game was purely about rally driving but after winning a race to celebrate you go around torturing and killing pregnant women with a broken axel and some WD40.DrDoomed

I can agree with that. Violence in video games is all about the context of the game. I expect war games and shooters to have blood.

Honestly, I love playing FPS games, and I love the rag doll physics that have been implemented for the last few years and I love seeing the blood spurts on the wall as I shoot my enemy next to a wall and all that good stuff. Maybe I'm morbid, but my perogative right? But how much is too much?

I for one would love to never see a child used as an enemy or a target in a FPS, at least they haven't done that yet. But how far is too far for you?

serieus

Just kidin:lol:, reality in games not real life, please!

I don't care what type of violence is in a game as long as I have the choice not to engage in the things I dislike. For example in Manghunt, there was an execution with a hook where it looked like Cash was digging it into the dude's junk and ripping it. Ugh, that was nasty...actually I still used that execution a lot but at least I had the option of doing something else.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]No such thing as too far when it comes to violence. I love over the top death animations where someone's head gets chopped off and a little fountain of blood spurts out of his neck. And being able to cut off limbs should be in every game. I remember playing SoF and Die By The Sword the first time and thinking that from now on EVERY game would have similar gore, I was dissapointed to find out that's not the case.Forerunner-117

word bro!

Don't be stealing my sig Forerunner-117 make your own!

Well, lets say I dont like sosiopathic violence, e.g. someone starts to have fun with someones guts or stuff like that. Also, violence that target youngsters or pet animals(dogs, cats, rodents) is also a bit too much for me.

Overall, with normal, or a bit over it, I can go with.

sexual abuse and any kind of tortureis way too violent for me. And violence where kids are involved I think is inappropriate. Yes that stuff does happen in real life (unfortunately) but I'm not playing a game to get a dose of the darker side of life, I'm playing a game to have fun.

sexual abuse and any kind of tortureis way too violent for me. And violence where kids are involved I think is inappropriate. Yes that stuff does happen in real life (unfortunately) but I'm not playing a game to get a dose of the darker side of life, I'm playing a game to have fun.

dbrinto

well said!

I don't mind violence and sex in my games, as long as they are done in a meaningful, artful manner. When you get to the point where you are just going over the top and having violence for the sake of violence then it's not ok with me. You know, like being able to jump into the air and tear the wings off that harpy and then slash the sucker while it writhes in pain and bleeds to death on the ground, or chainsaw your enemy in half, or being able to gouge out your enemies eyes and cut, or decapitate them with scissors, or rape them, or stab them to death with dirty needles, or torture them. I'm talking about games like Postal, Gears of War, Manhunt and God of War (yes God of War fanbois, put down your knives and pitchforks and torches, please) here. These titles go over the top and allow you to do insanely awful violent things to your enemies, which is just unnecessary and uncalled for. They aren't smart. They aren't funny, and they aren't artful. They are gratuitus and unnecessary.