How much performance hit does DirectX give?

I read an article that said that console games don't need an API for games to talk to the hardware but a PC does such as DirectX. A typical PC game can't talk directly to the hardware and has to go through the API, DirectX to talk to the hardware. The number of draw calls per a frame are like 5 times on a console than a PC as mentioned in this article. So how much of a performance hit does DirectX bring compared to if a PC game was programmed directly to hardware? Also would a 8800GT with the overhead of DirectX be equivalent to the PS3's GPU without no API overhead? Also wouldn't this mean that when the PS3 was released, 8800GTX, the fastet card at the time was only slightly faster (even though it's much faster hardware wise) if you had to account for API overhead on the PC?

Here's the article I read:

http://www.geeks3d.com/20110317/low-level-gpu-programming-the-future-of-game-development-on-pc/

PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesWyteCollaCrim

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[QUOTE="WyteCollaCrim"]PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesPostmortem123

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PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesWyteCollaCrim

Oh it´s you, found your way to PC Hardware disc. now?

indeed this troll has GOTTA bail STAT

get your fing head out of our forum.. before i professionally get you ejected. lets say a few mods owe me favors..

ionusX

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indeed this troll has GOTTA bail STAT

get your fing head out of our forum.. before i professionally get you ejected. lets say a few mods owe me favors..

trastamad03

i has ninjas oh yes i do! i could use them too, but their digging dirt atm for me on the hd 6970 devil 13 card and the hd 6850 and 6950x2 that colorfire and pwoercolro are arming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NhXllHA3lg

so far what i can tell you is that the 6850x2 runs like scary cool. the things practically not generating heat, as a result ocing potential is really.. really good.

colorfire broke the mold with the model ive seen on the bench and im betting you anyhting they glued it back togeather to crunch out a few hundred more.

[QUOTE="trastamad03"][QUOTE="ionusX"]

indeed this troll has GOTTA bail STAT

get your fing head out of our forum.. before i professionally get you ejected. lets say a few mods owe me favors..

ionusX

i has ninjas oh yes i do! i could use them too, but their digging dirt atm for me on the hd 6970 devil 13 card and the hd 6850 and 6950x2 that colorfire and pwoercolro are arming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NhXllHA3lg

so far what i can tell you is that the 6850x2 runs like scary cool. the things practically not generating heat, as a result ocing potential is really.. really good.

colorfire broke the mold with the model ive seen on the bench and im betting you anyhting they glued it back togeather to crunch out a few hundred more.

I read an article that said that console games don't need an API for games to talk to the hardware but a PC does such as DirectX. A typical PC game can't talk directly to the hardware and has to go through the API, DirectX to talk to the hardware. The number of draw calls per a frame are like 5 times on a console than a PC as mentioned in this article. So how much of a performance hit does DirectX bring compared to if a PC game was programmed directly to hardware? Also would a 8800GT with the overhead of DirectX be equivalent to the PS3's GPU without no API overhead? Also wouldn't this mean that when the PS3 was released, 8800GTX, the fastet card at the time was only slightly faster (even though it's much faster hardware wise) if you had to account for API overhead on the PC?

DJP3000

PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesWyteCollaCrim

Who let the troll out of system wars?

On topic

DirectX isn't a problem, it's a set of tools to allow devs to run games on windows.

The 8800GT is way more powerful than a PS3, the improvements to graphic quality on consoles has come from practice and better coding.Programmers arespoiledwhen they get PC hardware, always have been, as they have way more resources to work with.

PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesWyteCollaCrim

Consoles don't normally look better then PC's except for like, the first two years of a generation. Even then, that's more related to the architecture and ability for developers to make games without worrying about the various different cards and OS and blah blah blah, with PC's being harder to developer for. PC games usually look better if you have a gaming PC and the developers can optimize their games well.

I have to wonder how anyone just comes in here with such bold and wrong statements, especially on PC gamer turf. Its like walking into Mexico with a spanish sign stating nothing but racist "science" from 1800's Alabama in spanish. Not going to end well, and not true.

PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesWyteCollaCrim

Lol

Consoles use an API too. i5750at4Ghz

I just checked the Need for Speed The Run requirements for the PC version andthe video card itrequires is at least anATI 4870 or an Nvidia 8800 GT.A PS3 with around a 7900 GT equivalent GPU and an Xbox 360 with around an ATI 1800XT equivalent GPU can run it. The 8800 GT is about twice as fast as the GPUs in these consoles and has more VRAM as well. Is this because of DirectX overhead for the higher GPU requirements for the PC?

[QUOTE="WyteCollaCrim"]PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesKevz0

Oh it´s you, found your way to PC Hardware disc. now?

PC gaming would be faster and more smoother if it was based on OpenGL, since DirectX is more sloppy and heavier to code for. Thats why console games look better than PC gamesWyteCollaCrim

What in the bloody hell are you talking about? PC games have always had better graphics than console games, aside from running them at the lowest resolutions and detail levels.

Another one of those days on gamespot :lol:

I saw the SW thread too....incredible. I needed a good laugh after being without power for a week or so

Another one of those days on gamespot :lol:

I saw the SW thread too....incredible. I needed a good laugh after being without power for a week or so

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[QUOTE="WyteCollaCrim"]Nope, not trolling, but so many of you replied to me, so im not going to quote you guys since it'll get confusing, but this is a reply to you all - Java was supposed to be a big breakthrough to allow programs to run cross-platform as long as they go through Java. MS screwed it up by paying others to write for their broken Java code. OpenGL is supposed to be the same thing. MS is trying to kill of OpenGL and they will probably adapt it, break it, and force others to write for the broken code so the real code won't work with the software. That's just how Microsoft does things. Microsoft isn't able to make a stable messenger after 10 years.. and we play games on their DirectX Look at the graphics on a ps3 with a five years old geforce using OpenGL with 256mg of XDR ram and then imagine what we could accomplish with our new rigs. OpenGL.. please rise and shine so all can enjoy a powerful gaming tool for Windows and Linux, hell i might even come back to PC gaming, if more devs started using the beter API, ID did pretty well with RAGE, look how great that game looks, it looks like a pc modded graphics game.C_Rule

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The external drive really gave me a laugh.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"][QUOTE="WyteCollaCrim"]Nope, not trolling, but so many of you replied to me, so im not going to quote you guys since it'll get confusing, but this is a reply to you all - Java was supposed to be a big breakthrough to allow programs to run cross-platform as long as they go through Java. MS screwed it up by paying others to write for their broken Java code. OpenGL is supposed to be the same thing. MS is trying to kill of OpenGL and they will probably adapt it, break it, and force others to write for the broken code so the real code won't work with the software. That's just how Microsoft does things. Microsoft isn't able to make a stable messenger after 10 years.. and we play games on their DirectX Look at the graphics on a ps3 with a five years old geforce using OpenGL with 256mg of XDR ram and then imagine what we could accomplish with our new rigs. OpenGL.. please rise and shine so all can enjoy a powerful gaming tool for Windows and Linux, hell i might even come back to PC gaming, if more devs started using the beter API, ID did pretty well with RAGE, look how great that game looks, it looks like a pc modded graphics game.Postmortem123

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The external drive really gave me a laugh.

C_Rule