First HD4870 512MB review (google translated)

A little slower than the GTX280 (though it beats it in some tests) for half the price!

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Meh. The performance over the HD 4850 does not warrant $100 IMO, not to mention it has a double slot cooler...I know it needs it but I just hate them so much. The card sure is sexy though :Pchandlerr_360

once u start going into 4xAA and 8xAA the diffrence between the 4850 and 4870 becomes alot bigger making it worth it especially at 1920x1200 rez . as for the dual slot cooler thing personally for me thats a good thing the card will run cooler and make less noise doing it there also a good amount ofoverclokcing potentional now :D.

the card is amasing for the priceim defintly going to get one once the 1G version comes out.

the temperature is unacceptable.100 degree Celsius! Are you kidding me??!PC_X360

With updated drivers and support from programs like RivaTuner that won't be so much of an issue as you'll be able to boost your fan speeds. Also, reapplication of thermal compounds, such as Arctic Silver, will help. I'm not worried about it and you shouldn't either. They know what they are releasing.

Very hot in every sense.

Damn it needs a new driver to correct those temps, if the card runs fine even at 100C its probable that it may still work normally at 110C.

Also the higher settings, the bigger its performance difference.

I expect price drops for the GTX260. Gotta love price wars :)

Im still going to wait. I need to see how the 1Gb version of the 4870 peforms compared to the 4850/4870/4870X2. I expect nvidia to drop prices significantly. Killfox

[QUOTE="Killfox"]Im still going to wait. I need to see how the 1Gb version of the 4870 peforms compared to the 4850/4870/4870X2. I expect nvidia to drop prices significantly. johnny27

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

wklzip

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

[QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

Domobomb

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

[QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

Evz0rz

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/

regualr not translated english version

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

I really doubt nVidia could sustain a $350 GTX280 for long.

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

then ati would counter with the 4870x2 for 300$? alotugh then both nvidia and ati would be losing alot of money.

johnny27

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

then ati would counter with the 4870x2 for 300$? alotugh then both nvidia and ati would be losing alot of money.

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Isnt there going to be a HD 4870 1gb version? The memory looks like its holding the HD 4870 back when put against the GTX 280.Jamiemydearx3

512mb vs 1gb is unimportant. Games barely if not, use the 512mb of the vram, 1GB is overkill and pointless as it does not anything to the game in terms of fps.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

Domobomb

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

I really doubt nVidia could sustain a $350 GTX280 for long.

Hey I can dream :P

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

chandlerr_360

:shock:
What?

[QUOTE="johnny27"]chandlerr_360

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

then ati would counter with the 4870x2 for 300$? alotugh then both nvidia and ati would be losing alot of money.

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Unless you have some time machine - how do you know that the GTX280 already outperforms a HD4870X2 (R700 I believe)? The card (4870 X2) hasn't even been released yet.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="johnny27"]TicTac8745

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

then ati would counter with the 4870x2 for 300$? alotugh then both nvidia and ati would be losing alot of money.

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Unless you have some time machine - how do you know that the GTX280 already outperforms a HD4870X2 (R700 I believe)? The card (4870 X2) hasn't even been released yet.

[QUOTE="TicTac8745"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="johnny27"]PC_X360

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

then ati would counter with the 4870x2 for 300$? alotugh then both nvidia and ati would be losing alot of money.

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Unless you have some time machine - how do you know that the GTX280 already outperforms a HD4870X2 (R700 I believe)? The card (4870 X2) hasn't even been released yet.

Where is the 4870X2??

We don't know it's final name yet, it's been speculated to be named 4870 X2, but the codename is R700 and it is another dual GPU on one PCB setup like the 3870 X2 (hence why some would call it 4870 X2)

Search R700 on Google, you might find some preview articles - I believe the card is coming sometime in July. (Hope LordEC will jump into this thread, If I said something wrong, I believe he would smack the living daylights out of me :P )

If the GTX 280 went to $350 NVIDIA would be finished, along with their entire 200 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

chandlerr_360

Fixed that quote for you. ;)

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

chandlerr_360

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

As for R700, I think most of you will be surprised at how well it scales with two RV770 chips.

If anyone has been paying attention to the RV770 architecture diagram, you'll notice a thing called a "CrossFire Sideport" connected to the "Hub":

(Yes it's a s*** diagram, but it's the only decent one I could find)

Anandtech reports that this on-die port is disabled on the RV770 chips powering the HD4850 and HD4870. They further go on and say that on DAAMiT's upcoming R700 product, the port will be utlised to help increase communication between the two RV770 chips (apart from the speculated PLX PCIE 2.0 bridge chip).

I'm not saying that this will definitely make R700 much more superior to HD4870 CrossFire (in fact, I believe R700 and RV770 CrossFire will be tied), but keep in mind that RV770 in its XT (HD4870) form consumes quite a lot of power. DAAMiT's alternative strategy to achieve 'HD4870 CrossFire like performance' on R700 would probably be to clock both RV770 chips at 625MHz (HD4850 speeds) and increase dual-GPU communication (either by more bandwidth or lower latency via the "CrossFire Sideport").

R700 will of course be fitted with GDDR5 memory--whether or not each GPU will share the same memory buffer, or each be paired with 512MB or each be paired with 1GB, remains to be unforeseen however.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Wesker776

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

Wtf?

That's wrong, NVIDIA. would be finished, The 4870 (and x2) are equal, or better cards.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

chandlerr_360

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

Show us your benchmarks please!

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

chandlerr_360

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

So far unofficial benchmarks that were made in 3d mark vantage at computex show exactly opposite, which is expected.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

chandlerr_360

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

I think it's time you moved out of your arse, and into the real world.

Take a look at HD4870's in CrossFire (keep in mind that benchmarks are a 2560x1600 with 4xAA/16xAF enabled--all with only a 512MB memory buffer for the HD4870's):

Source: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990/1

Yeah, that GTX 280 will really smack that HD4870 X2 alright! :roll:

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

chandlerr_360

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

This is possible but it will depend on the specs of the GT200's once they have gone through the 55nm die shrink. People on Gurur3d have got their 65nm GTX280's running with the core at 730mhz so the 55nm versions should be as high or higher than that at stock.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Wesker776

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

I think it's time you moved out of your arse, and into the real world.

Take a look at HD4870's in CrossFire (keep in mind that benchmarks are a 2560x1600 with 4xAA/16xAF enabled--all with only a 512MB memory buffer for the HD4870's):

Source: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990/1

Yeah, that GTX 280 will really smack that HD4870 X2 alright! :roll:

AND WHY DOES CRYSIS+ATI=FAIL?

[QUOTE="johnny27"]chandlerr_360

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"][QUOTE="Domobomb"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

imagine 4870 for $249 nvidia counters with gtx260 OCed for $249... that would be damn nice! :D

chandlerr_360

That wouldn't be much of a counter would it?

No but a GTX280 at $350 sure as hell would

If the GTX 280 went to $350 ATI would be finished, along with their entire 4800 line. Good thing that won't happen :)

then ati would counter with the 4870x2 for 300$? alotugh then both nvidia and ati would be losing alot of money.

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

I would disagree, currently, crossfire 4870's currently beat one GTX280 quite sufficiently.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Too bad the GTX 280 outperforms the 4870X2.

Jamiemydearx3

Right, a single HD4870 is roughly 10-20% slower than GTX 280 (the gap closes when 8xMSAA is used), so obviously two RV770 will be slower than a GTX 280! :roll: Also, I love the fact that you have a review sample of the HD4870 X2, but you're not willing to share your benchmarks. :roll:

Trust me, the GTX 280 will be outperforming the HD 4870x2 (when it comes out in early August).

I think it's time you moved out of your arse, and into the real world.

Take a look at HD4870's in CrossFire (keep in mind that benchmarks are a 2560x1600 with 4xAA/16xAF enabled--all with only a 512MB memory buffer for the HD4870's):

Source: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990/1

Yeah, that GTX 280 will really smack that HD4870 X2 alright! :roll:

AND WHY DOES CRYSIS+ATI=FAIL?

Exactly, that is BS. Those benchies are not even legit, plus they are using a GTX 280 without updated drivers. Nividia is releasing refined drivers for the GTX 280 before the release of the HD 4870x2 in August, and it WILL outperform it, you will see.

Exactly, that is BS. Those benchies are not even legit, plus they are using a GTX 280 without updated drivers. Nividia is releasing refined drivers for the GTX 280 before the release of the HD 4870x2 in August, and it WILL outperform it, you will see.

chandlerr_360

You should also note ATI's drivers still need time to mature, and the 4870 isn't even out yet! Or should be out today?

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]

Exactly, that is BS. Those benchies are not even legit, plus they are using a GTX 280 without updated drivers. Nividia is releasing refined drivers for the GTX 280 before the release of the HD 4870x2 in August, and it WILL outperform it, you will see.

Domobomb

You should also note ATI's drivers still need time to mature, and the 4870 isn't even out yet! Or should be out today?

I'm in the Nvidia PartnerForce program and the GTX 200 series is actually getting drivers that will significantly be boosting their performance in late July. ATI's drivers on the other hand will most likely only be fixing the fan speed and power adjustment problems with the new cards. It is also imporant to remember that 2 HD 4870's in crossfire will be more powerful than a single HD 4870x2, simply because of power requirments and shared GPU limits.

As for the HD 4870 release date, isn't it Monday? I am not sure but I thought it was Monday...

AND WHY DOES CRYSIS+ATI=FAIL?

Jamiemydearx3

Because Crysis + Nvidia = $$$ for Crytek. ;)

Exactly, that is BS. Those benchies are not even legit, plus they are using a GTX 280 without updated drivers. Nividia is releasing refined drivers for the GTX 280 before the release of the HD 4870x2 in August, and it WILL outperform it, you will see.

chandlerr_360

Holy crap, you're 110% fanboy alright. -_-

You have the bollocks to call out bulls*** on The Tech Report, one of the best editorials on the net, yet you post back with nothing but blubbery fanboy rubbish?

My lord, this is a waste of my time--good day to you, sir. Have fun gaming on your 8600 GTS. ;)

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

AND WHY DOES CRYSIS+ATI=FAIL?

Wesker776

Because Crysis + Nvidia = $$$ for Crytek. ;)

Exactly, that is BS. Those benchies are not even legit, plus they are using a GTX 280 without updated drivers. Nividia is releasing refined drivers for the GTX 280 before the release of the HD 4870x2 in August, and it WILL outperform it, you will see.

chandlerr_360

Holy crap, you're 110% fanboy alright. -_-

You have the bollocks to call out bulls*** on The Tech Report, one of the best editorials on the net, yet you post back with nothing but blubbery fanboy rubbish?

My lord, this is a waste of my time--good day to you, sir. Have fun gaming on your 8600 GTS. ;)

I have two systems running ATI cards, both a HD 3850 and a HD 4850, but facts are facts. Like I said, I sell Nvidia products and know a little bit more about them than you might.

I have two systems running ATI cards, both a HD 3850 and a HD 4850, but facts are facts. Like I said, I sell Nvidia products and know a little bit more about them than you might.

chandlerr_360

:lol:

Sry, but i can bet that Wesker knows a lot more about hardware than you.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

AND WHY DOES CRYSIS+ATI=FAIL?

chandlerr_360

Because Crysis + Nvidia = $$$ for Crytek. ;)

Exactly, that is BS. Those benchies are not even legit, plus they are using a GTX 280 without updated drivers. Nividia is releasing refined drivers for the GTX 280 before the release of the HD 4870x2 in August, and it WILL outperform it, you will see.

chandlerr_360

Holy crap, you're 110% fanboy alright. -_-

You have the bollocks to call out bulls*** on The Tech Report, one of the best editorials on the net, yet you post back with nothing but blubbery fanboy rubbish?

My lord, this is a waste of my time--good day to you, sir. Have fun gaming on your 8600 GTS. ;)

I have two systems running ATI cards, both a HD 3850 and a HD 4850, but facts are facts. Like I said, I sell Nvidia products and know a little bit more about them than you might.

So you work at Bestbuy? You said you sell nvidia cards.

So you work at Bestbuy? You said you sell nvidia cards.

CreasianDevaili

lmao