bulldozer FLOOOPPPPPPPPPPDDDDD

so whats AMD saying about this massive fail?? Hyped it up for almost an year, pissed all over their loyal fans. I was even thinking of selling my am3 setup to get an am3+ board, and thank god my laziness got the better of me.

Perspective: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/bulldozer-design-compromises-offer-mixed-bag-for-desktop-use.ars

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/10/13...ake-on-amd-fx/

when AMD releases stuff like this, it makes me see how ignorant they think we are, they run the thing with a single 6970 on BF3, they do this carefully because they dont want us to see it bottleneck 2 of them.

I don't see it as a flop. When paired with DDR3 1866 it performs pretty well, the problem is basically every review has it on DDR3 1333 or DDR3 1600.

Does it stomp all over the 2600k? No. Is it competitive? Yes.

If intel hadn't lowered their prices recently, it would be looking a whole lot better.

I'll be picking up a 8120 at the end of the month. (along with 8GB DDR3 1866)

I don't see it as a flop. When paired with DDR3 1866 it performs pretty well, the problem is basically every review has it on DDR3 1333 or DDR3 1600.

Does it stomp all over the 2600k? No. Is it competitive? Yes.

If intel hadn't lowered their prices recently, it would be looking a whole lot better.

I'll be picking up a 8120 at the end of the month. (along with 8GB DDR3 1866)

GummiRaccoon

I can't really fathom why anyone would buy into these CPUs... Why get something that's barely better than Phenom II (and in a lot of cases, worse...)? That sounds like the definition of fanboy, to me.C_Rule

A lot of fantasy numbers from synthetic benchmarks mean nothing.

Besides, it's not like the phII was a giant hunk of garbage either.

Also, at the resolutions that most people play(1920x1080) with the GPU configuration most people have, it performs almost identally as the sandy bridges. ESPECIALLY if it is paired with DDR3 1866.

I could only find a few reviews that used DDR3 1866 and in those it did much better than the DDR3 1333 and DDR3 1600 reviews.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I can't really fathom why anyone would buy into these CPUs... Why get something that's barely better than Phenom II (and in a lot of cases, worse...)? That sounds like the definition of fanboy, to me.GummiRaccoon

I could only find a few reviews that used DDR3 1866 and in those it did much better than the DDR3 1333 and DDR3 1600 reviews.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I can't really fathom why anyone would buy into these CPUs... Why get something that's barely better than Phenom II (and in a lot of cases, worse...)? That sounds like the definition of fanboy, to me.GummiRaccoon

A lot of fantasy numbers from synthetic benchmarks mean nothing.

Besides, it's not like the phII was a giant hunk of garbage either.

Also, at the resolutions that most people play(1920x1080) with the GPU configuration most people have, it performs almost identally as the sandy bridges. ESPECIALLY if it is paired with DDR3 1866.

I could only find a few reviews that used DDR3 1866 and in those it did much better than the DDR3 1333 and DDR3 1600 reviews.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I can't really fathom why anyone would buy into these CPUs... Why get something that's barely better than Phenom II (and in a lot of cases, worse...)? That sounds like the definition of fanboy, to me.GummiRaccoon

A lot of fantasy numbers from synthetic benchmarks mean nothing.

Besides, it's not like the phII was a giant hunk of garbage either.

Also, at the resolutions that most people play(1920x1080) with the GPU configuration most people have, it performs almost identally as the sandy bridges. ESPECIALLY if it is paired with DDR3 1866.

I could only find a few reviews that used DDR3 1866 and in those it did much better than the DDR3 1333 and DDR3 1600 reviews.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg10/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-deus-ex-human-revolution.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg11/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-f1-2011.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg12/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-total-war-shogun-2.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/12

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/13

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/14

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/15

The linking on gamespot, I dunno what happened to it, so you gotta copy/paste

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I can't really fathom why anyone would buy into these CPUs... Why get something that's barely better than Phenom II (and in a lot of cases, worse...)? That sounds like the definition of fanboy, to me.theshadowhunter

A lot of fantasy numbers from synthetic benchmarks mean nothing.

Besides, it's not like the phII was a giant hunk of garbage either.

Also, at the resolutions that most people play(1920x1080) with the GPU configuration most people have, it performs almost identally as the sandy bridges. ESPECIALLY if it is paired with DDR3 1866.

I could only find a few reviews that used DDR3 1866 and in those it did much better than the DDR3 1333 and DDR3 1600 reviews.

Back in the old days when intel and AMD were trading blows, the p4 needed dual channel DDR while athlon XPs needed single channel only

Both of those reviews have a single GPU setup (6950 on the first one and a 6970 on the 2nd one) which makes it a GPU bottleneck on those games, show us something that shows a dual card setup. (I have a 5870x2 setup and its more powerful than what they used) and I am sure everyone that plans on buying one has a better setup than that or are planning on upgrading from that in the upcoming year.

Both of those reviews have a single GPU setup (6950 on the first one and a 6970 on the 2nd one) which makes it a GPU bottleneck on those games, show us something that shows a dual card setup. (I have a 5870x2 setup and its more powerful than what they used) and I am sure everyone that plans on buying one has a better setup than that or are planning on upgrading from that in the upcoming year.

theshadowhunter

In that case for everyone with a single GPU nothing above a C2Q or a PHII should be recommended.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg10/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-deus-ex-human-revolution.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg11/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-f1-2011.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg12/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-total-war-shogun-2.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/12

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/13

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/14

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/15

The linking on gamespot, I dunno what happened to it, so you gotta copy/paste

GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

A lot of fantasy numbers from synthetic benchmarks mean nothing.

Besides, it's not like the phII was a giant hunk of garbage either.

Also, at the resolutions that most people play(1920x1080) with the GPU configuration most people have, it performs almost identally as the sandy bridges. ESPECIALLY if it is paired with DDR3 1866.

I could only find a few reviews that used DDR3 1866 and in those it did much better than the DDR3 1333 and DDR3 1600 reviews.

GummiRaccoon

Back in the old days when intel and AMD were trading blows, the p4 needed dual channel DDR while athlon XPs needed single channel only

lol, no actually the C2Q is better than the P II's. TBH if you are in the market for the 2600K or the 8150 you should have a dual card setup or a singe 580 GTX.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg10/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-deus-ex-human-revolution.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg11/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-f1-2011.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg12/amd-fx-8150-black-edition-8-core-processor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-total-war-shogun-2.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/12

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/13

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/14

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/15

The linking on gamespot, I dunno what happened to it, so you gotta copy/paste

mitu123

Alright I'll fix it later.

Both of those reviews have a single GPU setup (6950 on the first one and a 6970 on the 2nd one) which makes it a GPU bottleneck on those games, show us something that shows a dual card setup. (I have a 5870x2 setup and its more powerful than what they used) and I am sure everyone that plans on buying one has a better setup than that or are planning on upgrading from that in the upcoming year.

theshadowhunter

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"] LOL you think DDR speeds effect scores? I have used 1333/1600/1866 in my i5 2500K setup, makes a very little difference in performance, there are reviews that confirm this. it is a flop when the 1100t beats it and it runs at a higher ghz, face it, clock for clock bulldozer is a joke and a step back.theshadowhunter

Back in the old days when intel and AMD were trading blows, the p4 needed dual channel DDR while athlon XPs needed single channel only

You really don't understand that different CPUs perform different with different memory.

Think of the bulldozer as being similar to the p4, which needed a lot of memory bandwidth to perform well. The original p4s, after they moved from RDRAM had 2 different chipsets, one with single channel and one with dual channel, the single channel version was a giant piece of crap, so everyone steered clear.

Testing bulldozer with suboptimal ram, would be like testing the early p4s with just single channel ram. You wouldn't run an i7 920 with just dual channels?

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]

Both of those reviews have a single GPU setup (6950 on the first one and a 6970 on the 2nd one) which makes it a GPU bottleneck on those games, show us something that shows a dual card setup. (I have a 5870x2 setup and its more powerful than what they used) and I am sure everyone that plans on buying one has a better setup than that or are planning on upgrading from that in the upcoming year.

mitu123

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Back in the old days when intel and AMD were trading blows, the p4 needed dual channel DDR while athlon XPs needed single channel only

GummiRaccoon

You really don't understand that different CPUs perform different with different memory.

Think of the bulldozer as being similar to the p4, which needed a lot of memory bandwidth to perform well. The original p4s, after they moved from RDRAM had 2 different chipsets, one with single channel and one with dual channel, the single channel version was a giant piece of crap, so everyone steered clear.

Testing bulldozer with suboptimal ram, would be like testing the early p4s with just single channel ram. You wouldn't run an i7 920 with just dual channels?

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]

Both of those reviews have a single GPU setup (6950 on the first one and a 6970 on the 2nd one) which makes it a GPU bottleneck on those games, show us something that shows a dual card setup. (I have a 5870x2 setup and its more powerful than what they used) and I am sure everyone that plans on buying one has a better setup than that or are planning on upgrading from that in the upcoming year.

GummiRaccoon

In that case for everyone with a single GPU nothing above a C2Q or a PHII should be recommended.

I gave AMD a chance by buying a Phenom. I regret that decision and I can tell you Bulldozer won't be my next processor.PS2_ROCKS

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]

Both of those reviews have a single GPU setup (6950 on the first one and a 6970 on the 2nd one) which makes it a GPU bottleneck on those games, show us something that shows a dual card setup. (I have a 5870x2 setup and its more powerful than what they used) and I am sure everyone that plans on buying one has a better setup than that or are planning on upgrading from that in the upcoming year.

theshadowhunter

I never heard of memory speed affecting CPU performance but if that is true, Bulldozer doesn't seem like a complete failure anymore.

I never heard of memory speed affecting CPU performance but if that is true, Bulldozer doesn't seem like a complete failure anymore.

kaitanuvax

[QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]

I never heard of memory speed affecting CPU performance but if that is true, Bulldozer doesn't seem like a complete failure anymore.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]

I never heard of memory speed affecting CPU performance but if that is true, Bulldozer doesn't seem like a complete failure anymore.

wis3boi

I never heard of memory speed affecting CPU performance but if that is true, Bulldozer doesn't seem like a complete failure anymore.

kaitanuvax

btw these are a stock benchmarks, and when you overclock the 2600K it destroys this thing, even when its(bulldozer) overclocked.

its not, just BLIND AMD fanboys ( I am an AMD fanboy my self, but this is just ignorant) believe this because AMD couldn't possibly pull another Phenom I again could they?

btw these are a stock benchmarks, and when you overclock the 2600K it destroys this thing, even when its(bulldozer) overclocked.

theshadowhunter

Better to keep an open mind than to disregard other's input because you don't agree with them.

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]

its not, just BLIND AMD fanboys ( I am an AMD fanboy my self, but this is just ignorant) believe this because AMD couldn't possibly pull another Phenom I again could they?

btw these are a stock benchmarks, and when you overclock the 2600K it destroys this thing, even when its(bulldozer) overclocked.

kaitanuvax

Better to keep an open mind than to disregard other's input because you don't agree with them.

my current setup is still tearing it up.Hellsing2o2

Bu bu bu bu.....but how?

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]my current setup is still tearing it up.gmaster456

Bu bu bu bu.....but how?

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]my current setup is still tearing it up.wis3boi

Bu bu bu bu.....but how?

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]my current setup is still tearing it up.wis3boi

Bu bu bu bu.....but how?

I was hoping for better results, not that I want an amd chip though...I want them to push intel to faster performance sooner and cheap pricing.

I was hoping for better results, not that I want an amd chip though...I want them to push intel to faster performance sooner and cheap pricing.

dmb34

find me a source that says this? because there are none out there. what was valid before wont suddenly change like that, its not how pcs work, if the cpu or application doesnt use the memory bandwidth available why would more bandwidth help out at all? the FX chips are technically inferior to the SB chips, why would they need more bandwidth if they were inferior? heck people are talking about disabling half the cores, and saying that clock for clock it performs better like this because their IPC design was a floptheshadowhunter

I believe I said I was keeping an open mind, not believing every word people say.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="gmaster456"]

Bu bu bu bu.....but how?

mitu123

XDDD I knew that would flabbergast alot of you guys! LOL

Amnesia, Rage, Serious Sam HD, Arkham Asylum, ME2 and whatnot all run just fine :)

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] haha im asking myself the same thingHellsing2o2

XDDD I knew that would flabbergast alot of you guys! LOL

Amnesia, Rage, Serious Sam HD, Arkham Asylum, ME2 and whatnot all run just fine :)

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"] find me a source that says this? because there are none out there. what was valid before wont suddenly change like that, its not how pcs work, if the cpu or application doesnt use the memory bandwidth available why would more bandwidth help out at all? the FX chips are technically inferior to the SB chips, why would they need more bandwidth if they were inferior? heck people are talking about disabling half the cores, and saying that clock for clock it performs better like this because their IPC design was a flopkaitanuvax

I believe I said I was keeping an open mind, not believing every word people say.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] haha im asking myself the same thingHellsing2o2

XDDD I knew that would flabbergast alot of you guys! LOL

Amnesia, Rage, Serious Sam HD, Arkham Asylum, ME2 and whatnot all run just fine :)

Find me some benchmarks with bulldozer paired with DDR3 1866 and performing poorly in games then.

So far the only reviews I found that had bulldozer paired with 1866 had it performing within a percentage or 2 of the 2500k/2600k (which are basically the same performance as each other in games).

I say that 1866 makes a difference, I provided proof. You say it doesn't, now provide proof.

Find me some benchmarks with bulldozer paired with DDR3 1866 and performing poorly in games then.

So far the only reviews I found that had bulldozer paired with 1866 had it performing within a percentage or 2 of the 2500k/2600k (which are basically the same performance as each other in games).

I say that 1866 makes a difference, I provided proof. You say it doesn't, now provide proof.

GummiRaccoon

you should join the others that think its the motherboard, because heaven-forbid it might be the cpu of all things??!?!?!? that would be blasphemy though. I mean the phenom I was a great cpu, AMD has never messed up before have they?