Is it even possible to build a Mini ITX system to substitute over the X1X?

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#1 Edited by TrumpTowerLR (114 posts) -

The Xbox One X has got to be one of the slickest consoles which essentially has a GTX1070 packed into such a small system. I have always wanted to build a Mini Itx using the Fractal Node 202, Lian Li or Silverstone Raven cases but after seeing the Xbox one which costs only $650 AUD (which is basically a third of what it would cost me to build a equilvalent Mini ITX System. I was considering using any of the parts below for a mini itx lounge room rig.

CASE:

Fractal Design Node 202

PSU:

Silverstone 550w SFX Power Supply

MOBO:

ASUS ROG Strix Z270I

Gigabyte Z270N Gaming 5
MSI Z270I Gaming Pro Carbon AC

CPU:

i5 7500

i5 7600
i5 7600K
i7 7700
i7 7700K
RAM:

Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8 2400

SSD:

Samsung 960 EVO 250GB

GPU:

ASUS GTX 1080Ti TURBO

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#2 Posted by Horgen (117203 posts) -

The xbox one x has a GPU equal to GTX1070? I don't believe you.

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#3 Posted by pyro1245 (3507 posts) -

I think equivalent performance would probably come from a GTX 1060 with an i3 processor. The difference is most PC games don't allow for the corner-cutting, checker-boarded, poor-man's 4K settings (maybe I'm wrong?).

So if you're going for 1080p gaming then you'll far surpass the performance of the X1X.

Some 4K displays also do a bit of upscaling - so 1080p on a 4K display might actually look a bit better than 1080p on a 1080 display.

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#4 Posted by Random_Matt (2764 posts) -

i3 processor, although a jag is still weaker.

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#5 Posted by Howmakewood (4949 posts) -

I like the design on node 304 mode which you can also install a proper front fan for

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#6 Posted by Random_Matt (2764 posts) -

@howmakewood said:

I like the design on node 304 mode which you can also install a proper front fan for

Stick a H90 on it, assuming it's still good. Not sure if you can diy your on water setup.

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#7 Posted by Howmakewood (4949 posts) -

@Random_Matt said:
@howmakewood said:

I like the design on node 304 mode which you can also install a proper front fan for

Stick a H90 on it, assuming it's still good. Not sure if you can diy your on water setup.

You can install h90 in it ye

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#8 Posted by MonsieurX (37230 posts) -

@horgen said:

The xbox one x has a GPU equal to GTX1070? I don't believe you.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

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#9 Posted by urbangamez (3258 posts) -

yes it is possible, as was stated core i3, 16gb ram, 1060/580 and you are good to go

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#10 Posted by Horgen (117203 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:
@horgen said:

The xbox one x has a GPU equal to GTX1070? I don't believe you.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

Ah, equivalent because of reduced overhead. Still don't believe it before I see it in action.

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#11 Edited by xantufrog (8660 posts) -

I have to say, I'm really skeptical of these i3 claims. It may be true that technically, on paper, an i3 punches harder than the Jag. But I'd be very surprised to see a rig with an RX480 and i3, which is probably where you came from if aiming for a $500 USD device, doing anything more than 1080p 60fps gaming and the occasional 1440p. The X1X is "based on the Jaguar" yes, but multithreading is a beautiful thing and the whole system appears to be very well streamlined.

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#12 Posted by PredatorRules (12075 posts) -

If Xbox X got GTX1070 I would throw my PC right now and get one.

I kid, I love my PC, you'd have to pay me monthly to throw away a PC over a console.

I recommend on Fractal Define Nano S as a case for mini ITX build.

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#13 Posted by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

Yeah calling bs there.. the 1070 is a $400 card still.. And to get its full performance you have to be in a environment with good thermals.. Something the Xbox (and all consoles) are not with terrible cooling.. These consoles have to cut numerous corners to fit budgeting, power draw, space, and cooling to work..

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#14 Posted by Howmakewood (4949 posts) -

@sSubZerOo said:

Yeah calling bs there.. the 1070 is a $400 card still.. And to get its full performance you have to be in a environment with good thermals.. Something the Xbox (and all consoles) are not with terrible cooling.. These consoles have to cut numerous corners to fit budgeting, power draw, space, and cooling to work..

actually xbox one x has more advanced cooling than 1070, same cooling is used in 1080/1080ti/titan

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#16 Edited by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

@howmakewood said:
@sSubZerOo said:

Yeah calling bs there.. the 1070 is a $400 card still.. And to get its full performance you have to be in a environment with good thermals.. Something the Xbox (and all consoles) are not with terrible cooling.. These consoles have to cut numerous corners to fit budgeting, power draw, space, and cooling to work..

actually xbox one x has more advanced cooling than 1070, same cooling is used in 1080/1080ti/titan

............... Do you have any idea what you are talking about? The 1070 has as good as cooling depending on the aftermarket of the card.. Many 1080s have the exact same cooling as the 1070s with the founders.. And yet again NO they do not.. We are talking about a enclosed box, in which they are most certainly using a poor performance blower fan.. The most comparable would be a laptop cooling, and I would be shocked that the gpu temps is anything below 80 degrees C in this thing.. So yet again calling bs, the 1070 is a incredibly expensive card, and than you have to add on memory, storage, chasis, psu, cpu.. Not believing this for a second.

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#17 Edited by Howmakewood (4949 posts) -

@sSubZerOo: instead of running your mouth, why don't you bother doing some research first? The xbox one x has a vapor chamber solution, same as found in 1080 and 1080ti and at least the founders edition 1070 does not have one but uses copper instead: https://imgur.com/a/7arKs

not talking about the fans here but how the heat gets dispatched from the chip.

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#18 Edited by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

@howmakewood said:

@sSubZerOo: instead of running your mouth, why don't you bother doing some research first? The xbox one x has a vapor chamber solution, same as found in 1080 and 1080ti and at least the founders edition 1070 does not have one but uses copper instead: https://imgur.com/a/7arKs

not talking about the fans here but how the heat gets dispatched from the chip.

And every single one of the founders edition coolers are crap compared to aftermarket ones.. Only recommended to be used for extreme form factors simply because of its blower fans ensures the heat doesn't dump into the system.. Seriously look at their temps in any reviews they are always pushing close to the throttling point compared to other ones.. And that is in much roomier cases with FAR better air flow than anything coming close to the Xbox will manage.. The Xbox is a budget pc with poor cooling and little room... How do I know this? Because slim line cases with still far more room (and even some having liquid AIO coolers) still have trouble in cooling..

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#19 Posted by GTR12 (12955 posts) -

@sSubZerOo said:
@howmakewood said:

@sSubZerOo: instead of running your mouth, why don't you bother doing some research first? The xbox one x has a vapor chamber solution, same as found in 1080 and 1080ti and at least the founders edition 1070 does not have one but uses copper instead: https://imgur.com/a/7arKs

not talking about the fans here but how the heat gets dispatched from the chip.

And every single one of the founders edition coolers are crap compared to aftermarket ones.. Only recommended to be used for extreme form factors simply because of its blower fans ensures the heat doesn't dump into the system.. Seriously look at their temps in any reviews they are always pushing close to the throttling point compared to other ones.. And that is in much roomier cases with FAR better air flow than anything coming close to the Xbox will manage.. The Xbox is a budget pc with poor cooling and little room... How do I know this? Because slim line cases with still far more room (and even some having liquid AIO coolers) still have trouble in cooling..

Its not a budget console,, it has a 1070 in it, and the console is good, they don't pay the retail costs of a 1070, they have deals you know, buying in bulk nets you a cheaper price.

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#20 Edited by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

@GTR12 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@howmakewood said:

@sSubZerOo: instead of running your mouth, why don't you bother doing some research first? The xbox one x has a vapor chamber solution, same as found in 1080 and 1080ti and at least the founders edition 1070 does not have one but uses copper instead: https://imgur.com/a/7arKs

not talking about the fans here but how the heat gets dispatched from the chip.

And every single one of the founders edition coolers are crap compared to aftermarket ones.. Only recommended to be used for extreme form factors simply because of its blower fans ensures the heat doesn't dump into the system.. Seriously look at their temps in any reviews they are always pushing close to the throttling point compared to other ones.. And that is in much roomier cases with FAR better air flow than anything coming close to the Xbox will manage.. The Xbox is a budget pc with poor cooling and little room... How do I know this? Because slim line cases with still far more room (and even some having liquid AIO coolers) still have trouble in cooling..

Its not a budget console,, it has a 1070 in it, and the console is good, they don't pay the retail costs of a 1070, they have deals you know, buying in bulk nets you a cheaper price.

How good of bulk deal do you think they got? We saw what a bulk deal is with similar cards in compact selections.. They are called laptops.. And a 1070 laptop pushes upwards to the $1400+ range..

Even then laptops are the most competitive they have ever been in price vs performance with desktops due to them putting full desktop gpu's in them now.

The MSI trident has a 1060 and is ps3 size and that pushes $1000.. Tell us all here how they were able to get that at a $650 price range. The magic sauce console days are over, these are closed system pc's in which they have to cut corners to meet budget, cooling, and power draw..

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#21 Posted by GTR12 (12955 posts) -

@sSubZerOo: Build a Mini ITX with a 1060 (not a typo) and a 4k UHD BD, all for under $499 USD or $650 AUD.

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#22 Edited by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

@GTR12 said:

@sSubZerOo: Build a Mini ITX with a 1060 (not a typo) and a 4k UHD BD, all for under $499 USD or $650 AUD.

That.. Is.. My.. Point.. I am calling bs on these stats for said price.. Not to mention limitations, and the fact we know how console hardware is developed through past generations. Cut down hardware with as much corners to cut around to ensure it makes budget.. The Jaguar cpu's for instance are like a quarter of a strength of the sandy/ivy bridge i5's.. Not to mention up until this point they stated that a AMD chip would be put in there.. The only current market gpu they have is the 580 which is like 60 to 70% of the 1070s strength tops. We know what the cost of direct comparisons are now, that is my point, that is why all consoles feature heavily modified versions to lower cost, energy draw and heat generation.

I am not trying to create some kind of system war pc vs console argument, but being realistic in the doubts I hold.