WOW 55% Americans say Obama is a socialist. Ive lost hope in my fellow Americans

A new poll out shows 55% think Obama is a socialist! Thats it, ive lost all intellectual hope in my fellow americans. This blows my mind! Obama is NOT a socialist!

Ok lets look at FACTS.. in 1985, the the height of the Reagan era, Goverment was 34% of the Economy.. Now under Obama Goverment is only 29% of the economy!Since Obama took office corporate profit margins have soared 40%, the highest in 40 years, corporate earnings are up 34% year to date and private sector hiring has outpaced Govt hiring this year. and Ignorant people STILL say hes a socialist?

Americans dont even know what socialist means! how can they consider Obama one?

"He is not a socialist.

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..........He's a communist!!!"

Link?chessmaster1989

Oh look. Another Obama thread.

"He is not a socialist.

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..........He's a communist!!!"

Oh look. Another Obama thread.

Dystopian-X

Oh look. Another Obama thread.

Dystopian-X

Well he is part socialist.... i don't see how some people seem to get it into their heads that socialism = communismmarkop2003

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"He is not a socialist.

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..........He's a communist!!!"

ColonelDrakePS3

I am being sarcastic by supposedly transferring the words of an Obama hater.

I never had hope in America. . . . . And I'm American.Cloud_765

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

"He is not a socialist.

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..........He's a communist!!!"

I am being sarcastic by supposedly transferring the words of an Obama hater.

The bottom line is America is a country of alzheimer patients, they have a extremely short memory span. They dont remember the republicans brought down this country to the depths because of tax cuts for the wealthy and massive de regulation.. If republicans win back congress americans deserve whatever happens to this country.

Just like Americans still say offshore drilling is "still worth the risks" americans reap what they sow.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Well he is part socialist.... i don't see how some people seem to get it into their heads that socialism = communismColonelDrakePS3

Only 55%?..I've lost my hope in fellow Americans as well :P..

He does have socialist leanings and it's good people are noticing. I wouldn't say he IS a socialist though.

He is a socialist.

Isn't nationalizing private businesses socialist? I thought it was.

I suppose if you fall under the liberal or progressive movement you are more likely to be okay with that. Most people aren't.

People seriously need to go and look up what socialism really is. Socialism is the government takeover of industry, NOT the regulation of industry. Regulation is a measure to allow industry to function, but not in a way that is detremental to others. Socialism is the government buying up all forms of production in an industry and/or forcing businesses that don't comply out of business, and Obama has stated that is absolutely not his intention.

Well, 55% Americans do NOT know what socialism is, if they really think that. The president may have a few ideas that stem from socialism, however, that does not mean what he's trying to do is actually socialism in practice.

it took you this long to realize the intellectual hopelessness of america?.....anyway, welcome to the club.

People seriously need to go and look up what socialism really is. Socialism is the government takeover of industry, NOT the regulation of industry. Regulation is a measure to allow industry to function, but not in a way that is detremental to others. Socialism is the government buying up all forms of production in an industry and/or forcing businesses that don't comply out of business, and Obama has stated that is absolutely not his intention.

theone86

Oh look. Another Obama thread.

Dystopian-X

Hahah :lol:

This is full of win.

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People seriously need to go and look up what socialism really is. Socialism is the government takeover of industry, NOT the regulation of industry. Regulation is a measure to allow industry to function, but not in a way that is detremental to others. Socialism is the government buying up all forms of production in an industry and/or forcing businesses that don't comply out of business, and Obama has stated that is absolutely not his intention.

Pirate700

Yes it does, it completely changes that. AT NO POINT IN TIME has he ever advocated for government takeover of industry, the only time you could ever say that about him is when he advocated for single payer healthcare, and even then not only did he acquiesce but after he was elected I don't think you could come up with a clip of him pushing for that. The only time after the election i remember hearing him endorse it was after the health care bill had already passed. There ARE no leanings, there IS no line, everything he has done doesn't come close to what a socialist would advocate for.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Well he is part socialist.... i don't see how some people seem to get it into their heads that socialism = communismColonelDrakePS3

Wait, what? The definition of a socialist government is one that owns the means of production and distribution.

Oh look. Another Obama thread.

Dystopian-X

LOL!

55% of Americans would be right.fidosim

100% - 55% = 45% correct. :P

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

People seriously need to go and look up what socialism really is. Socialism is the government takeover of industry, NOT the regulation of industry. Regulation is a measure to allow industry to function, but not in a way that is detremental to others. Socialism is the government buying up all forms of production in an industry and/or forcing businesses that don't comply out of business, and Obama has stated that is absolutely not his intention.

theone86

Yes it does, it completely changes that. AT NO POINT IN TIME has he ever advocated for government takeover of industry, the only time you could ever say that about him is when he advocated for single payer healthcare, and even then not only did he acquiesce but after he was elected I don't think you could come up with a clip of him pushing for that. The only time after the election i remember hearing him endorse it was after the health care bill had already passed. There ARE no leanings, there IS no line, everything he has done doesn't come close to what a socialist would advocate for.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]55% of Americans would be right.chessmaster1989

100% - 55% = 45% correct. :P

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

55% of Americans would be right.fidosim

100% - 55% = 45% correct. :P

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

100% - 55% = 45% correct. :P

fidosim

Nooooooo :(:cry:

if only he really were a socialist.

Yet, it wouldn't matter if he were. Since the President has no real authority to pass any form of legislation on his own.

There is no left in the US, let alone socialism. Social Democracy doesn't exist here, and even then social democracy doesn't advocate for socialism, merely regulated capitalism with equal opportunity for all through the usage of government programs.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"] True but it doesn't change the fact that he has strong socialist leanings. He's walking a very thin line right now.

Pirate700

Yes it does, it completely changes that. AT NO POINT IN TIME has he ever advocated for government takeover of industry, the only time you could ever say that about him is when he advocated for single payer healthcare, and even then not only did he acquiesce but after he was elected I don't think you could come up with a clip of him pushing for that. The only time after the election i remember hearing him endorse it was after the health care bill had already passed. There ARE no leanings, there IS no line, everything he has done doesn't come close to what a socialist would advocate for.

No, the government LOANED GM money that it need to survive, when their CEO didn't present a business plan that deviated enough from the failing one that had gotten them to that point the government demanded a new CEO, like ANY entity that floats a company aLOAN to stay alive typically has the right to do. Everything the government did they were allowed to as stipulated by the LOAN agreements that GM SIGNED. Now that the LOAN is paid back the government is not interfering in GM's operations.

As for distribution of wealth, that's such a broad concept, you can't just say he supports it, therefore he is a socialist. Marxists and certain communists, NOT NECESSARILY SOCIALISTS, support socialism as a means of redistributing wealth on the path to the abolition of property, but that is total redistribution of wealth. What Obama supports, and what is the norm for every single post industrial society out there, and which just about every leader in the industrialized world supports whether they're socialist or not, is a progressive tax system. A progressive tax system does not redistribute the wealth in the sense you're speaking of, it ensures that the tax burden is distributed equally among all cla$$es. Again, supporting a progressive tax does not make you a socialist, supporting the government controlling the means of production and distribution of wealth makes you a socialist.

There is no left in the US, let alone socialism. Social Democracy doesn't exist here, and even then social democracy doesn't advocate for socialism, merely regulated capitalism with equal opportunity for all through the usage of government programs.

Former_Slacker

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes it does, it completely changes that. AT NO POINT IN TIME has he ever advocated for government takeover of industry, the only time you could ever say that about him is when he advocated for single payer healthcare, and even then not only did he acquiesce but after he was elected I don't think you could come up with a clip of him pushing for that. The only time after the election i remember hearing him endorse it was after the health care bill had already passed. There ARE no leanings, there IS no line, everything he has done doesn't come close to what a socialist would advocate for.

theone86

As for distribution of wealth, that's such a broad concept, you can't just say he supports it, therefore he is a socialist.

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

There is no left in the US, let alone socialism. Social Democracy doesn't exist here, and even then social democracy doesn't advocate for socialism, merely regulated capitalism with equal opportunity for all through the usage of government programs.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

There is no left in the US, let alone socialism. Social Democracy doesn't exist here, and even then social democracy doesn't advocate for socialism, merely regulated capitalism with equal opportunity for all through the usage of government programs.

EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

There is no left in the US, let alone socialism. Social Democracy doesn't exist here, and even then social democracy doesn't advocate for socialism, merely regulated capitalism with equal opportunity for all through the usage of government programs.

EMOEVOLUTION

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]The government completely took over GM for a time and he supports wealth distribution. That is socialist leaning and walking a thin line. If he could get away with doing whatever he wanted he would more than likely go well over that line.

Pirate700

As for distribution of wealth, that's such a broad concept, you can't just say he supports it, therefore he is a socialist.

Thanks for cutting out the rest of my response, good to see you're taking a hollistic approach to argumentation. Progressive taxation is not a socialist concept, period. Saying he has socialist leanings because he supports a progressive tax is entirely false, period.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

As for distribution of wealth, that's such a broad concept, you can't just say he supports it, therefore he is a socialist.

theone86

Thanks for cutting out the rest of my response, good to see you're taking a hollistic approach to argumentation. Progressive taxation is not a socialist concept, period. Saying he has socialist leanings because he supports a progressive tax is entirely false, period.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]There's is no left in the US? I'm not even sure how to respond to that. :lol:

Pirate700

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]There's is no left in the US? I'm not even sure how to respond to that. :lol:

samuraiguns

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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] You can't because he's right.EMOEVOLUTION

i have always considered proper limitation of gov to be more important than which side of the spectrum the elected are on.