Would you be for or against legalizing drugs in USA?

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#1 HBK4life9
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I would be for it to be honest. In my opinion having it illegal isn't deterring use. What it is doing is creating a much higher demand for them and raising costs. And as long as there is a lot of money in it there will be drug dealers willing to risk it. If it were legal companies would start selling it the way alcohol, tobacco and recently marijuana are being sold. That would drive down costs both allowing users to not degenerate into stealing, prostitution and other means of making money for it and draining some of the money from crime networks by taking away the need to go to them to get a fix. This is coming from the son of a crack addict who was the son of a crack addict. I also have uncles who were heroin addicts and a deep history of alcoholism on my mothers side so I know what they do to people but I also know that having them remain illegal isn't stopping most people from using that were going to use anyways

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#2 HBK4life9
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Why would you need to bump the thread four minutes after you made it? This forum has almost zero activity. It'll stay on the first page, unless it gets locked, for days.

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#5 aebghdfsc
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No, because I don't use them and I don't see why anyone else should. I don't even care for the drugs we already have legal.

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#6 XaosII
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Portugal has decriminalized all drugs, which is not the same as legalization. However, the results have been very positive according to nearly every study after about 12-ish years of this policy.

While i think there needs to be a bit more time, according to the empirical evidence we have, I would be in favor of decriminalizing drugs. As far as legalizing them? Maybe. But lets get there one step at a time.

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#7  Edited By deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Depends on the drug. I have no problem with marijuana being legal or at least decriminalized. However, harder core drugs such as heroin or cocaine certainly need to be regulated. Opium (precursor of heroin) nearly destroyed China in the past.

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#8 aebghdfsc
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The way I see it, if you support legalizing some drug, you obviously use it.

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#9  Edited By AutoPilotOn
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@aebghdfsc: insane logic. Maybe we feel the harm it causes being a crime is greater and more expensive than the damage it causes being used. I suppose we should make alcohol illegal again as well?

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#10 dommeus
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@aebghdfsc said:

The way I see it, if you support legalizing some drug, you obviously use it.

Hardly. Straight people still support gay marriage, even if they have no use for it.

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@XaosII said:

Portugal has decriminalized all drugs, which is not the same as legalization. However, the results have been very positive according to nearly every study after about 12-ish years of this policy.

While i think there needs to be a bit more time, according to the empirical evidence we have, I would be in favor of decriminalizing drugs. As far as legalizing them? Maybe. But lets get there one step at a time.

I'm from Portugal and I never really considered how this was different from other countries; to me it was just "normal".

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#12 aebghdfsc
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The way I see it, if you support legalizing some drug, you obviously use it.

@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: insane logic. Maybe we feel the harm it causes being a crime is greater and more expensive than the damage it causes being used. I suppose we should make alcohol illegal again as well?

If you have a problem with getting caught with drugs, don't do them. Simple as that. I've never heard of anyone who didn't do drugs that suggested they be legalized.

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#13  Edited By XaosII
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I'm from Portugal and I never really considered how this was different from other countries; to me it was just "normal".

That's exactly it. From the evidence we have so far, decriminalization of drugs doesn't lead to the downward collapsing spiral of a society. It's perfectly normal for a society to coexist with strong recreational drugs as long as the population is well informed.

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@aebghdfsc: I am pretty sure in states that already legalized weed not everyone who voted for it uses it.

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@XaosII: and instead of using tax money to arrest and put people in jail the taxes for the sells of drugs could be used for information and addiction help if things did get out if hand with certain people. Kind like what gambling does.

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@thegerg said:

@aebghdfsc said:

The way I see it, if you support legalizing some drug, you obviously use it.

@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: insane logic. Maybe we feel the harm it causes being a crime is greater and more expensive than the damage it causes being used. I suppose we should make alcohol illegal again as well?

If you have a problem with getting caught with drugs, don't do them. Simple as that. I've never heard of anyone who didn't do drugs that suggested they be legalized.

"The way I see it, if you support legalizing some drug, you obviously use it."

The way you see it is factually incorrect.

And I suppose you have evidence to prove me incorrect?

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#18 AutoPilotOn
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@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

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#19  Edited By aebghdfsc
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@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

I don't have to prove anything. It's simple logic. If you don't smoke weed, you know how bad it is and see no reason to make it legal. And if someone DOES want it legal, then clearly they want to smoke it without getting busted.

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#21  Edited By deactivated-5b797108c254e
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@XaosII said:

That's exactly it. From the evidence we have so far, decriminalization of drugs doesn't lead to the downward collapsing spiral of a society. It's perfectly normal for a society to coexist with strong recreational drugs as long as the population is well informed.

Yep. I grew up seeing drug dealers as criminals and addicts as people in need of treatment. Not once have I thought "Woohoo! I'm going to start doing drugs because I won't go to jail!". I also won't go to jail if I stick my penis in a blender, but I haven't tried that either. Somehow some people think that the only thing preventing people from doing things is jail time.

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#23 aebghdfsc
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@thegerg: Well, if you thought about what would happen from a societal standpoint, as opposed to an economic and judicial standpoint, you'd think differently.

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#25  Edited By deeliman
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@aebghdfsc: Your logic is flawed, of someone supports gay marriage, are they then obviously gay because why else would they support it? There are a lot of reasons why someone would support legalizing it, and if you cant see that you are either a troll or a 12 year old.

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@deeliman said:

@aebghdfsc: Your logic is flawed, of someone supports gay marriage, are they then obviously gay because why else would they support it? There are a lot of reasons why someone would support legalizing it, and if you cant see that you are either a troll or a 12 year old.

Now he's going to call you a junkie *** =P

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@deeliman said:

@aebghdfsc: Your logic is flawed, of someone supports gay marriage, are they then obviously gay because why else would they support it? There are a lot of reasons why someone would support legalizing it, and if you cant see that you are either a troll or a 12 year old.

If I was a 12-year-old, I'd probably be doing drugs. Right now, anyone under the age of 20 is a stoner or some other druggie.

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#28  Edited By AutoPilotOn
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@aebghdfsc: lol wow your really busting out facts today.

So your saying your choice to not use drugs is simply based on your age and if you were younger you'd be one of those druggies?

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@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: lol wow your really busting out facts today.

So your saying your choice to not use drugs is simply based on your age and if you were younger you'd be one of those druggies?

Not because I want to, but because it's pretty much mandatory in American society. All teens are pressured into doing drugs, and they all succumb to said pressure. When I was a teen, I didn't do any drugs and I knew a lot of other kids who didn't do them. Things were more level back then. Now, with weed culture through the roof, there's no such thing as a drug-free teenager. This is a problem, because their generation will be taking the helm of America in the future, and with how perpetually stoned they are, our nation is doomed.

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@aebghdfsc said:

@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: lol wow your really busting out facts today.

So your saying your choice to not use drugs is simply based on your age and if you were younger you'd be one of those druggies?

Not because I want to, but because it's pretty much mandatory in American society. All teens are pressured into doing drugs, and they all succumb to said pressure. When I was a teen, I didn't do any drugs and I knew a lot of other kids who didn't do them. Things were more level back then. Now, with weed culture through the roof, there's no such thing as a drug-free teenager. This is a problem, because their generation will be taking the helm of America in the future, and with how perpetually stoned they are, our nation is doomed.

Don't be so naive; the nation is already doomed.

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@deeliman said:

@aebghdfsc: Your logic is flawed, of someone supports gay marriage, are they then obviously gay because why else would they support it? There are a lot of reasons why someone would support legalizing it, and if you cant see that you are either a troll or a 12 year old.

lol I made this point about five posts in

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#32 foxhound_fox
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Obviously. Portugal did it a while back and they've seen a drop in use.

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#33 plageus900
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This thread has the potential to be extremely entertaining. Like watching shoppers at Wal-Mart. For the love of god, please continue.

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I would be for legalizing marijuana, numerous designer drugs, and other recreational ones. I would not be for legalizing like crack cocaine and heroin.

@aebghdfsc said:
@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

I don't have to prove anything. It's simple logic. If you don't smoke weed, you know how bad it is and see no reason to make it legal. And if someone DOES want it legal, then clearly they want to smoke it without getting busted.

If you don't smoke weed, you have zero experience with it and have absolutely no clue as to how "bad" it is.

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#35 aebghdfsc
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@Senor_Kami said:

I would be for legalizing marijuana, numerous designer drugs, and other recreational ones. I would not be for legalizing like crack cocaine and heroin.

@aebghdfsc said:
@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

I don't have to prove anything. It's simple logic. If you don't smoke weed, you know how bad it is and see no reason to make it legal. And if someone DOES want it legal, then clearly they want to smoke it without getting busted.

If you don't smoke weed, you have zero experience with it and have absolutely no clue as to how "bad" it is.

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that only stoners think weed should be legal.

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@aebghdfsc said:
@Senor_Kami said:

I would be for legalizing marijuana, numerous designer drugs, and other recreational ones. I would not be for legalizing like crack cocaine and heroin.

@aebghdfsc said:
@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

I don't have to prove anything. It's simple logic. If you don't smoke weed, you know how bad it is and see no reason to make it legal. And if someone DOES want it legal, then clearly they want to smoke it without getting busted.

If you don't smoke weed, you have zero experience with it and have absolutely no clue as to how "bad" it is.

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that only stoners think weed should be legal.

Oh you're good.

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#37  Edited By wis3boi
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@aebghdfsc said:
@Senor_Kami said:

I would be for legalizing marijuana, numerous designer drugs, and other recreational ones. I would not be for legalizing like crack cocaine and heroin.

@aebghdfsc said:
@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

I don't have to prove anything. It's simple logic. If you don't smoke weed, you know how bad it is and see no reason to make it legal. And if someone DOES want it legal, then clearly they want to smoke it without getting busted.

If you don't smoke weed, you have zero experience with it and have absolutely no clue as to how "bad" it is.

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that only stoners think weed should be legal.

go back under your bridge

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#38 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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@aebghdfsc said:

The way I see it, if you support legalizing some drug, you obviously use it.

Or you dont want the jails overrunning with people who use drugs. I'd rather they be for more serious crimes.

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Tough question. We're clearly wasting money fighting illegal drugs, even the devastating drugs. If people want it, they can get it. This enriches violent criminals by creating a black market. Illicit drugs would be made more safe and would curtain a great deal of crime where they regulated.

However, do we really want things like Heroin and Methamphetamine available for purchase at retail?

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#41  Edited By plageus900
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@aebghdfsc: How much wood could a wood-chuck chuck if a wood-chuck could chuck wood?

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#42  Edited By bforrester420
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@aebghdfsc said:
@AutoPilotOn said:

@aebghdfsc: I haven't see u prove your point either.

I don't have to prove anything. It's simple logic. If you don't smoke weed, you know how bad it is and see no reason to make it legal. And if someone DOES want it legal, then clearly they want to smoke it without getting busted.

You've clearly never taken a college-level course on logic. Stay away from Law School or Computer Science...your brain just may melt.

I don't smoke weed, I did a bunch in college and my early 20s, and I think it should be legalized. I've never done Coke or Heroin and I think they should probably be legally sold in a highly regulated manner. My mom and mother/father-in-law think Marijuana should be legal, and they've never touched it in their lives.

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@aebghdfsc: I would really love for you to explain how all empirical evidence seems to be completely contrary to your point of view.

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#44 bforrester420
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@XaosII: Because all empirical evidence points to aebghdfc being a complete and utter moron.

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It REALLY depends on the drug. For example, it's hard for me to ever see heroin being legal. It would have to be highly-regulated for sure.

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#47 AutoPilotOn
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It's not his stance that drugs should stay illegal that I have a problem I understand everyone has opinions on the matter. It's his idea that the only people that could support legalizing use of drugs must be a user that's well crazy talk.

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@korvus: lol. I dont know why people are stil bothering with him, his trolling is so obvious.

Tbh i shouldnt have replied either, but i guess thats just a weak spot of mine.

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#49 AutoPilotOn
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@deeliman: but it seems to be what's keeping this thread going lol

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@aebghdfsc said:

If I was a 12-year-old, I'd probably be doing drugs. Right now, anyone under the age of 20 is a stoner or some other druggie.

C'mon now, how can you guys take this man seriously? He's obviously trolling hard.