Why legalize weed but not Cocaine or Heroin?

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I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.
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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105

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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105
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#5 Omni-Wrath
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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105

Alcohol can also ruin peoples lives quite as easily. And if heroin is consistantly avaliable legally, it won't be a problem. Same with cocain. Those drugs are cheap to make. If avalaible, there is no problem with them

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lol @ "the dangers of heroin are exaggerated"

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#7 Omni-Wrath
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Also, if heroin does destroy someone, it is their choice. 

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[QUOTE="m25105"]Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.Omni-Wrath

Alcohol can also ruin peoples lives quite as easily. And if heroin is consistantly avaliable legally, it won't be a problem. Same with cocain. Those drugs are cheap to make. If avalaible, there is no problem with them

If you're really going to compare alcohol and pot with hardcore drugs like coke and heroin, there really isn't any point trying to debate or reason with you...

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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.Pirate700

Alcohol can also ruin peoples lives quite as easily. And if heroin is consistantly avaliable legally, it won't be a problem. Same with cocain. Those drugs are cheap to make. If avalaible, there is no problem with them

If you're really going to compare alcohol and pot with hardcore drugs like coke and heroin, there really isn't any point trying to debate or reason with you...

What are the reasons why cocaine and heroine should be illegal? By what standard. Cigaratess and alcohol cause thousands of deaths each year. "Hard core drug." Yes, it is hard core in the euphoria it gives you. And how does it affect you if I do take cocain and heroine? In what way? 

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I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

Omni-Wrath
Don't make me find you a list of famous people that were killed by speedballs. Anyways, I agree for LSD, but heroin is just too hardcore.
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it'll cut into all the opiate and ritalin prescriptions

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Alcohol can also ruin peoples lives quite as easily. And if heroin is consistantly avaliable legally, it won't be a problem. Same with cocain. Those drugs are cheap to make. If avalaible, there is no problem with them

Omni-Wrath

If you're really going to compare alcohol and pot with hardcore drugs like coke and heroin, there really isn't any point trying to debate or reason with you...

What are the reasons why cocaine and heroine should be illegal? By what standard. Cigaratess and alcohol cause thousands of deaths each year. "Hard core drug." Yes, it is hard core in the euphoria it gives you. And how does it affect you if I do take cocain and heroine? In what way? 

If you really don't know the difference in side effects between alcohol/cigs/pot and someone addicted to coke or heroin, you are proving my point that there is no point in discussing this with you.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

chaplainDMK

Don't make me find you a list of famous people that were killed by speedballs. Anyways, I agree for LSD, but heroin is just too hardcore.

If you can get a consistant supply of heroin, you'll be fine (which would happen if it were legal).

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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]If you're really going to compare alcohol and pot with hardcore drugs like coke and heroin, there really isn't any point trying to debate or reason with you...

Pirate700

What are the reasons why cocaine and heroine should be illegal? By what standard. Cigaratess and alcohol cause thousands of deaths each year. "Hard core drug." Yes, it is hard core in the euphoria it gives you. And how does it affect you if I do take cocain and heroine? In what way? 

If you really don't know the difference in side effects between alcohol/cigs/pot and someone addicted to coke or heroin, you are proving my point that there is no point in discussing this with you.

You didn't answer any of my questions. You are just sidestepping. 

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

Omni-Wrath

Don't make me find you a list of famous people that were killed by speedballs. Anyways, I agree for LSD, but heroin is just too hardcore.

If you can get a consistant supply of heroin, you'll be fine (which would happen if it were legal).

:lol: Ok...this has to be a troll thread. 

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I heard weed isn't addicting and you can't overdose from weed.
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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.Pirate700

Alcohol can also ruin peoples lives quite as easily. And if heroin is consistantly avaliable legally, it won't be a problem. Same with cocain. Those drugs are cheap to make. If avalaible, there is no problem with them

If you're really going to compare alcohol and pot with hardcore drugs like coke and heroin, there really isn't any point trying to debate or reason with you...

Alcohol kills an amazing amount of people every year. Granted alcohol is used more, but that doesn't negate the fact alcohol can be a very dangerous drug. Abuse can cause people to be violent, physically addicted to the point where quitting cold turkey can kill them, and ruin both their professional life as well as their family life. While I do think heroine is a harder drug with greater potential for abuse, I think the comparison is just fine. If we are going to make one drug illegal based on major potential harm, alcohol in no way should get a pass. I personally believe the government shouldn't concern themselves with what an individual puts in their own body.
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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

Omni-Wrath

Don't make me find you a list of famous people that were killed by speedballs. Anyways, I agree for LSD, but heroin is just too hardcore.

If you can get a consistant supply of heroin, you'll be fine (which would happen if it were legal).

That would cost a huge amount of money. You're kidding yourself that if on the extremely slim chance it ever gets legalized it won't get taxed like crazy.

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Because heroin and cocaine actually kill the user, and affect more people financially and emotionally.

***My assumptions***

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I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

Omni-Wrath

What??? Cocaine/heroine/LSD/meth (and even weed) affect far more people than just those who do the drugs. Every time some junky robs another person to get money for their drugs it's affecting other people, every time they drive under the influence they are potentially affecting other people. That is such an ignorant argument. If cocaine/heroine/meth was legal, it would kill far more people than alcohol, it's just not readily available to the general pop like alcohol is. I do think that weed should be legalized, for the most part, but for reasons far more logical than this. 

Your post went from stupid to thoughtless the second you typed "heroine + cocaine=safe."

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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105
weed has ruined peoples lives lol. i know plenty of guys who gained weight and ended up not finishing high school. life hasnt amounted to much since. its like the underachievers drug for those who can't handle the high while maintaining a job or going to school. but the real answer is because other drugs actually kill people if they overdose.
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i think this should be discussed in an opium den :)

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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105
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Coke and Heroin are alot more damaging, as already mentioned.

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All drugs should be legal and should be treated as what they are: a public health issue. Not a criminal issue. It's your body, you do what you want with it.
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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105
Alcohol does that too...
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All drugs should be legal and should be treated as what they are: a public health issue. Not a criminal issue. It's your body, you do what you want with it.kuraimen
No.
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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105
It is their bodies, let them do what they want with it.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]All drugs should be legal and should be treated as what they are: a public health issue. Not a criminal issue. It's your body, you do what you want with it.LJS9502_basic
No.

Great argument there :roll:
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Not sure if it was mentioned already but a company can distribute weed and not be liable from law suit from the deaths it will cause. Can't say the same for the harder drugs mentioned.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]All drugs should be legal and should be treated as what they are: a public health issue. Not a criminal issue. It's your body, you do what you want with it.kuraimen
No.

Great argument there :roll:

Well I thought your points were very naive and did not to address the cost to society. But I expect no less from you TBH.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No.LJS9502_basic
Great argument there :roll:

Well I thought your points were very naive and did not to address the cost to society. But I expect no less from you TBH.

How about the cost of fighting a drug war that can't be won and that causes thousands of deaths in places like Mexico due to drug lords who become powerful by trafficking illegal substances. In order to give an opinion you have to actually know how to analyze and debate the issue not shut off your brain and type a couple of words. A trained parrot could do that.

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Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.m25105

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

I've never understood the stance on drugs like Cocaine and Heroin. If weed were to be legalized, why not cocaine and heroin. The danger of those two drugs is exaggerated to an extreme (just like marijuana is called the gateway drug and there is more nonsense out on it).

 

Why does it matter if someone consumes something that does not affect you at all. Cigarettes kill your lungs and damage others around you yet it is legal. Alcohol is responsible for more death than a drug like cocaine ever will be. 

 

Cocaine and heroine are not the only drugs that I want legalized either. Many other like LSD, Crystal meth, etc. 

 

It seems like the drugs that provide the greatest euphoria are the ones that are banned( Soma, cocaine, LSD, mushrooms). In fact, if you take both Cocaine and heroin at the same time, which is safe as long as you don't overdoes, it provides a greater feeling than an ORGASM for more than TWENTY minutes. 

Omni-Wrath

Don't make me find you a list of famous people that were killed by speedballs. Anyways, I agree for LSD, but heroin is just too hardcore.

If you can get a consistant supply of heroin, you'll be fine (which would happen if it were legal).

Don't you think the very fact that you are using a substance that can very easily kill you if you don't take the right amount, and the fact that heroins side effects have to be countered by cocaine, a little bit worrying? I mean sure alcohol can kill you, but you have to take such an ungodly amount most people pass out way before then. Heroin is incredibly easy to OD on (go talk to JJ, Vicious, Staley etc. etc.). The fact that these rock stars that have waaay more money and connections than an average man will ever have, regularly OD on heroin even after years of experience should be point enough.
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I would decriminalize everything. Works in Portugal and in the U.S. we have far more people in prison for drugs than they ever did.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Great argument there :roll:kuraimen

Well I thought your points were very naive and did not to address the cost to society. But I expect no less from you TBH.

How about the cost of fighting a drug war that can't be won and that causes thousands of deaths in places like Mexico due to drug lords who become powerful by trafficking illegal substances. In order to give an opinion you have to actually know how to analyze and debate the issue not shut off your brain and type a couple of words. A trained parrot could do that.

Fighting crime is always going to cost money....that doesn't mean we remove law.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I thought your points were very naive and did not to address the cost to society. But I expect no less from you TBH.LJS9502_basic

How about the cost of fighting a drug war that can't be won and that causes thousands of deaths in places like Mexico due to drug lords who become powerful by trafficking illegal substances. In order to give an opinion you have to actually know how to analyze and debate the issue not shut off your brain and type a couple of words. A trained parrot could do that.

Fighting crime is always going to cost money....that doesn't mean we remove law.

But the crime is created by the law and the law has proven useless since the problem has no sign of stopping and is getting worse, war-like levels of worse. That money fighting that useless war (trillions of dollars) could be used helping people with addiction to overcome their problems.
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Thats like saying we should legalize PCP.

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All drugs should be legal and should be treated as what they are: a public health issue. Not a criminal issue. It's your body, you do what you want with it.kuraimen
It does when we all have to pay for their mistakes.
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What happens if you smoke too much pot?

What happens if you sniff too much cocaine or inject too much heroin?

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What happens if you smoke too much pot?

What happens if you sniff too much cocaine or inject too much heroin?

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All sorts of legal chemicals you can sniff and make you high that will kill you.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]All drugs should be legal and should be treated as what they are: a public health issue. Not a criminal issue. It's your body, you do what you want with it.hiphops_savior
It does when we all have to pay for their mistakes.

We're already paying for a failed drug war that costs trillions of dollars and thousands of innocents dead. I'll say legalizing is the lesser of two evils.

 

A person driving a car can do a mistake and kill some people that doesn't mean we should ban cars just make sure people don't do stupid stuff with them.

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#43 Iceozo
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[QUOTE="m25105"]Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.jsmoke03
weed has ruined peoples lives lol. i know plenty of guys who gained weight and ended up not finishing high school. life hasnt amounted to much since. its like the underachievers drug for those who can't handle the high while maintaining a job or going to school. but the real answer is because other drugs actually kill people if they overdose.



Of course if you use too much of anything it can ruin you. If I sat on my arse and played video games all day I would fail at schooling/my job, if I was addicted to caffeine or caffeinated drinks my kidneys would fail me. Every thing is about moderation. Pot is no different, even if abusing the shit out of it won't kill you.

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#44 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="jsmoke03"][QUOTE="m25105"]Last I checked, weed didn't ruin peoples lives and made them into a dick sucking junkie robbing their own mothers to shoot a needle in their vein.Iceozo

weed has ruined peoples lives lol. i know plenty of guys who gained weight and ended up not finishing high school. life hasnt amounted to much since. its like the underachievers drug for those who can't handle the high while maintaining a job or going to school. but the real answer is because other drugs actually kill people if they overdose.



Of course if you use too much of anything it can ruin you. If I sat on my arse and played video games all day I would fail at schooling/my job, if I was addicted to caffeine or caffeinated drinks my kidneys would fail me. Every thing is about moderation. Pot is no different, even if abusing the shit out of it won't kill you.

That argument applies to all drugs and activities, though.
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#45 starfox15
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It's physically impossible for a human being to overdose on Marijuana. 

The same is not true for Heroin or Cocaine.  In fact it's quite easy to overdose on both of these drugs and that's what makes them so lethal.  If you manage to survive using them, you may acquire a crippling physical addiction to them. 

Once again, not possible with Marijuana. 

Marijuana is a plant, not a purified manufactured drug that can kill you in a single use.  I'm all for Marijuana, but Cocaine and Heroin are both things that I'm okay with being banned.  

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#46 Renevent42
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The OP's original argument was alcohol, though. And the reality is it is very easy to overdose and die from alcohol and many people do each and every year. In addition, alcohol is highly addictive, and even if one doesn't overdose and die tens of thousand of people have their lives ruined due to alcohol addiction.

It's not all that different from cocain and heroine.  They are definetly stronger drugs, but if the idea is banning things based on harm, there is no way in hell alcohol should get a pass.  It's a double standard.

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#47 WiiCubeM1
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I'm still pretty anti-marijuana, but it has medical benefits and isn't nearly as addictive as people say.

Cocaine and Heroine are cripplingly addictive and rule your lives in most cases.

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#48 Truf89
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Too much Mary can cloud the brain, I've seen it happen. Also can lead to some heart issues late in life. Heroin or Cocaine.. I'm pretty sure if you do too much of that I can just look at you and tell. I'd rather smoke all day than shoot up and watch my teeth fall out.
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Just decriminalize them. You do cocaine totally fine without sucking dick - ever take sudafed?
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#50 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just decriminalize them. You do cocaine totally fine without sucking dick - ever take sudafed?

WTF are you talking about?