Why is it okay to spend 1.4 a cruise missile vs spending that money on bettering

peoples lives?

Paying for their College Education

Paying for Peoples house

Buying people a new car

Why spend 1.4 million of tax dollars on a death machine vs helping your fellow man?

peoples lives?

 

Paying for their College Education

Paying for Peoples house

Buying people a new car

 

Why spend 1.4 million of tax dollars on a death machine vs helping your fellow man?

Dmorris88

uh why is the government buying people cars and shit?

peoples lives?

 

Paying for their College Education

Paying for Peoples house

Buying people a new car

 

Why spend 1.4 million of tax dollars on a death machine vs helping your fellow man?

Dmorris88

>implying mutual exclusivity

[QUOTE="Dmorris88"]

peoples lives?

 

Paying for their College Education

Paying for Peoples house

Buying people a new car

 

Why spend 1.4 million of tax dollars on a death machine vs helping your fellow man?

Person0

there are government programs that pay for people to have housing I think. And there are Pell Grants for college.

As far as money on a cruise missile goes, it is because national defense is a program that pretty much has to be carried out by the national government, whereas other things could be left to individual alms-giving and charitable groups.

That being said, we shouldn't waste expensive missiles (though it's better to use a smartbomb than to use a dumb-bomb that causes more collateral damage). We shouldn't drop a million dollar missile on a five dollar tent and hit a camel in the ass.

It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

The_Lipscomb

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It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

chrisrooR

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

chrisrooR

Precisely.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

the_bi99man

Precisely.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

the_bi99man

Precisely.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

It's not.. it's a major waste of money.. Do we need defense? Yes... but if you look at our military spending.. well.. Probably don't need that much defense. lol

the_bi99man

Precisely.

meanwhile billions blown into the wind on a failled aircraft design....while we can strike anywhere on the planet inside of 15min and see no painful retalliation.

A Cruise Missle has to be built - every one that explodes creates new jobs!

>implying mutual exclusivity

coolbeans90

this

I see a lot of people in US loosing their houses, ending up on the streets and what worse people who try to help them by giving them food and such get arrested or fined... WTF.... why do they spend money on weapons, well you see they know many resources are running low so by working with world bank criminals and corporations they fund terrorists just like they did in Syria and give them weapons, then make up a story how the Syrian Government did and now they have to go in and save the day.. bullshit, they are going in for resources, there is more oil there then most people can imagine, scary thing is few famillies own almost everything on this world really, but they want it all, sad thing is as Alex Jones said American leaders have sold America and its people to foreighn banks and coroprations, its also interesting how it worked over the years, up to 80's they made majority of people think its all good,90's still the same but you could see changes,00's they started hammering us, 2103 they are close to their new world order and one world government, at least its a plan that needs to be completed by 2022

Why spend 1.4 million of tax dollars on a death machine vs helping your fellow man?

Dmorris88

Don't you get it?

Those missiles kill people who kill other people. It strikes a balance of karma. So the people in those foreign lands will be so greatful that the great West has come to subsidize or "liberate" their land, and rid the world of weapons of mass destruction by building 1.4 million dollar weapons of growth and nurture. OBVIOUSLY!

Wolfgar you should remain silent you cannot change anything let it happen its what we the american people/humanity deserve who cares.

A cruise middle is a hell of a lot cheaper than 45,000 ground troops and equipment...Netherscourge

and cruise low would be even cheaper

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] It's not defense. It's control. LJS9502_basic

Precisely.

So implying that the USA has become an imperialistic power somehow makes someone a "tin foil" person? If you're gonna dismiss people with ridiculous labels, then can we dismiss you for being a downie?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Precisely.

Amvis

So implying that the USA has become an imperialistic power somehow makes someone a "tin foil" person? If you're gonna dismiss people with ridiculous labels, then can we dismiss you for being a downie?

[QUOTE="Amvis"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] LOL the tin foil hat brigade has arrived....LJS9502_basic

So implying that the USA has become an imperialistic power somehow makes someone a "tin foil" person? If you're gonna dismiss people with ridiculous labels, then can we dismiss you for being a downie?

No, it isn't actually. The USA clearly has a huge amount of hegemony across the globe, and since the end of the Cold War has projected it and arguably expanded it through "humanitarian" wars, UN Resolutions, and NATO actions. It's quite the interesting phenomenon, and Sir Lawerence Freedman talks about it a bunch in his book The Transformation of Strategic Affairs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Amvis"]

So implying that the USA has become an imperialistic power somehow makes someone a "tin foil" person? If you're gonna dismiss people with ridiculous labels, then can we dismiss you for being a downie?

Amvis

No, it isn't actually. The USA clearly has a huge amount of hegemony across the globe, and since the end of the Cold War has projected it and arguably expanded it through "humanitarian" wars, UN Resolutions, and NATO actions. It's quite the interesting phenomenon, and Sir Lawerence Freedman talks about it a bunch in his book The Transformation of Strategic Affairs.

[QUOTE="Amvis"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Imperialist? You seem confused over that term....is it the new catch phrase for the edgy?LJS9502_basic

No, it isn't actually. The USA clearly has a huge amount of hegemony across the globe, and since the end of the Cold War has projected it and arguably expanded it through "humanitarian" wars, UN Resolutions, and NATO actions. It's quite the interesting phenomenon, and Sir Lawerence Freedman talks about it a bunch in his book The Transformation of Strategic Affairs.

Something tells me you don't even know who that is.

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

Barbariser

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

Squeets

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

I think his post went over your head. Run along, now.

I was thinking about this the other day when I was watching footage of U.S's warships sailing in the Mediterranean. I thought to myself look at the size and technology of these things, it must have cost a fortune to build them. Planet earth is able to withstand all this spending and resources used to build giant machines of war while still allowing societies and millions of people to have amazing lives full of luxuries and all kinds of advancements in all paths of life. Imagine how life would be if the world actually lived in peace with little to no defense spending :(GazaAli

All you have to do is look at the past.  When there isn't primacy, there is competition between nation-states.  Do you think Hitler would have started invading/annexing if Britain had been in 1939 where the United States is today...? Would Japan if the US was?  One nation with primacy over the others creates stability.  It ends arm races, it dissuades military action (for fear of repercussions), etc...

Do you think Iran is ever going to attack Saudi Arabia while there are three carrier battlegroups sitting off her coast?  Is China going to take Taiwan while we have 120,000 troops in the region and two carrier battlegroups?

Our extreme defense spending promotes peace and stability, whether people want to admit it or not. 

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

Squeets

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

Its not the jobs that cost, its the BOM. When a bolt costs 45 dollars yea have to wonder WTF is going on.

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

Squeets

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

comp_atkins

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

Squeets

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Defence spending is one of the least economically stimulative forms of government spending, but it is necessary to some extent.

masiisam

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

Its not the jobs that cost, its the BOM. When a bolt costs 45 dollars yea have to wonder WTF is going on.

Yes, clearly the military spends $45 on every single bolt.  All that image and your criticism show is an isolated incident and no story behind it.

I had a bolt replaced in the front wheel of my wheelchair just yesterday... It cost $60 for the guy to literally pull a bolt out of a box and put it in my chair, thus my chair has about $6000 worth of bolts in it alone by that figure... Every business everywhere charges in excess for singular units/maintenance... We live in a market economy.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

Squeets

Its not the jobs that cost, its the BOM. When a bolt costs 45 dollars yea have to wonder WTF is going on.

Yes, clearly the military spends $45 on every single bolt.  All that image and your criticism show is an isolated incident and no story behind it.

I had a bolt replaced in the front wheel of my wheelchair just yesterday... It cost $60 for the guy to literally pull a bolt out of a box and put it in my chair, thus my chair has about $6000 worth of bolts in it alone by that figure... Every business everywhere charges in excess for singular units/maintenance... We live in a market economy.

An example that holds merit that can lend the question. Why so much? 

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I was thinking about this the other day when I was watching footage of U.S's warships sailing in the Mediterranean. I thought to myself look at the size and technology of these things, it must have cost a fortune to build them. Planet earth is able to withstand all this spending and resources used to build giant machines of war while still allowing societies and millions of people to have amazing lives full of luxuries and all kinds of advancements in all paths of life. Imagine how life would be if the world actually lived in peace with little to no defense spending :(Squeets

All you have to do is look at the past. When there isn't primacy, there is competition between nation-states. Do you think Hitler would have started invading/annexing if Britain had been in 1939 where the United States is today...? Would Japan if the US was? One nation with primacy over the others creates stability. It ends arm races, it dissuades military action (for fear of repercussions), etc...

Do you think Iran is ever going to attack Saudi Arabia while there are three carrier battlegroups sitting off her coast? Is China going to take Taiwan while we have 120,000 troops in the region and two carrier battlegroups?

Our extreme defense spending promotes peace and stability, whether people want to admit it or not.

I don't think Japan is a good example. The prime reason Japan attacked us in 1941 was solely because we were a hegemonic/imperial power in the Pacific. Their intentions were to knock out our capability to wage war in the area because they felt that war was inevidible.

Also, I don't think it causes stability at all. Besides NATO, the continent of Africa is in turmoil precisely because of European influence, and the Middle East is a shithole today.

I'm not arguing against the value of military alliances, but just stating the obvious. Furthermore, the USA can only be a hyperpower for so much longer. It's been 20 years that we've achieved such a status. And it has quite frankly exhausted us as a nation. We only will probably have this status really for another 10 to 15 years max. The only thing we could reasonably maintain is our navy, but beyond that it will be difficult to maintain the current level of influence or expand it for that matter.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

It employs millions of people directly and millions more indirectly through its business?

Do you think they just receive $600 Billion dollars and burn it all in a large pile, then tanks, planes, equipment, etc all just materialize out of thin air?

hiphops_savior