Why exactly is incest still illegal??

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#1 Gambler_3
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If some people are doing it with contraceptives then what exactly is the problem??

Take a look at some porn site, the highest viewed and rated videos almost always seem to have incest. That makes it rather obvious that people want to do it so why not allow them? Who cares if that's not the way society works? The same case is with homosexuals as well...

And again "despising" incest is your right but I dont think the rationality behind despising it can be any different than despising "homosexuality"....

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#2 fidosim
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Because it's gross.
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#3 Thessassin
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its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

but it should be legal i agree

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#4 Gaming-Planet
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Yeah if you want higher chance of getting a deformed baby

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The only stipulations I have for relationships is that all parties be willing.

Edit: And a certain age of consent.

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#6 wslacker2
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Sex with your relatives should never be legal.
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#7 Franklinstein
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Sex with your relatives should never be legal.wslacker2
It doesn't hurt anyone, as long as all parties are coherently thinking and willing. It's their life, don't butt into it.
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Logical reason: Because of inbreeding Real reason: Because the vast majority think it's weird/disgusting Personally, as long as no inbreeding occurs, I think they should be allowed to do whatever they want otherwise.
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He's lying. It's not....if it was I would have been in jail already. TROLL!
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it should be legal. cousins ftw
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As rare as I go on porn sites, I've never seen incest on them. What sites are those? I don't want to visit those ones. Plus I just find it disturbing to sleep with a family memeber. Guess I'm old school.
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#12 Franklinstein
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Yeah if you want higher chance of getting a deformed baby

Gaming-Planet

its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

but it should be legal i agree

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I'm pretty sure that most studies show that it doesn't actually produce that much higher of a chance of birth defects. I could be wrong. I mean, honestly, I think incest is gross, but I don't see a legal reason for not allowing people to do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
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#13 BigSexy63
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I'm okay with it as long as they don't produce children. But even if you use protection there are accidents sometimes, and that is the reason I'm against it.
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[QUOTE="wslacker2"]Sex with your relatives should never be legal.Franklinstein
It doesn't hurt anyone, as long as all parties are coherently thinking and willing. It's their life, don't butt into it.

Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude. Consential or not, having sex with a relative does nothing to bring happy kids into this world.

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#15 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="wslacker2"]Sex with your relatives should never be legal.wslacker2
It doesn't hurt anyone, as long as all parties are coherently thinking and willing. It's their life, don't butt into it.

Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.

Hmmm... it's almost like I put the word willing in there... that's funny.... Oh wait!! I did!!!
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Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.wslacker2
>implying legalizing incest would make rape, especially that of children (or even consensual sex in their case), also legal
>implying that even has anything to do with this topic

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="wslacker2"]Sex with your relatives should never be legal.wslacker2
It doesn't hurt anyone, as long as all parties are coherently thinking and willing. It's their life, don't butt into it.

Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.

Dude, the problem with that is the RAPE then. Rape is rape.
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="wslacker2"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] It doesn't hurt anyone, as long as all parties are coherently thinking and willing. It's their life, don't butt into it.

Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.

Hmmm... it's almost like I put the word willing in there... that's funny.... Oh wait!! I did!!!

Doesn;t matter, willing or not, sex with a relative does nothing to procreate happy children.
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#19 Gaming-Planet
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[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

Yeah if you want higher chance of getting a deformed baby

Franklinstein

its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

but it should be legal i agree

Thessassin
I'm pretty sure that most studies show that it doesn't actually produce that much higher of a chance of birth defects. I could be wrong. I mean, honestly, I think incest is gross, but I don't see a legal reason for not allowing people to do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

I think it has something to do with carriers and their genes. If you are a carrier and so is your sister you will most likely get a birth defect. Spread your genes to a non-carrier of the same defect and you will have a very slim chance to nothing. I thought of this because I have a relative that is Italian that had babies with with another Italian which was also a carrier of the same defect gene, and got a birth defect baby. It's like a long distant incest. :P
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="wslacker2"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] It doesn't hurt anyone, as long as all parties are coherently thinking and willing. It's their life, don't butt into it.

Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.

Dude, the problem with that is the RAPE then. Rape is rape.

Incest, defined by the law IS rape.
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[QUOTE="wslacker2"] Doesn;t matter, willing or not, sex with a relative does nothing to procreate happy children.

Don't speak as if you know every case of such personally and so matter-of-factly. Besides, most proponents of incest are still against actual inbreeding.
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#22 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="wslacker2"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="wslacker2"] Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.

Hmmm... it's almost like I put the word willing in there... that's funny.... Oh wait!! I did!!!

Doesn;t matter, willing or not, sex with a relative does nothing to procreate happy children.

So, by your logic, only sex to procreate happy children should be tolerated. Ok, so that means that non fertile heterosexual couples should also not be allowed to have sex. Also, all people under the age of about 25 should not be allowed to have sex. It is more likely that they will have a better life if their parents wait until they are a little more established in life. Also, homosexuality is no question for you obviously. Masterbation should be made illegal also, since it doesn't produce happy children. Let's see... what other rights can we take away?
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#23 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="wslacker2"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="wslacker2"] Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.

Dude, the problem with that is the RAPE then. Rape is rape.

Incest, defined by the law IS rape.

Reference that.
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As rare as I go on porn sites, I've never seen incest on them. What sites are those? I don't want to visit those ones. Plus I just find it disturbing to sleep with a family memeber. Guess I'm old school.metallica_fan42
Ah I wasnt talking about real incest as in the pornstars are actually related but that they are presented as for e.g. son and mother. Sorry cant post links...

Real reason: Because the vast majority think it's weird/disgusting SeraphimGoddess
Whoever finds it gross would never watch porn featuring fantasy incest but the amount of views on those videos clearly suggest there is a significant segment which wants to do it or atleast has fantasies about it.

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#25 Chojuto
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I've wondered the same thing myself. And then when I discovered that the "reason" is so that people don't get deformed babies, well i thought "Yeah, I guess that makes sense," but then "Wait what if they just do it to do it without having a kid though?" I personally think that as long as they don't have babies, then incestuous sex can be legal.

edit: Oh right since people are mentioning the relatives raping younger kids I guess I should mention this too. Any old guy raping a little kid is WRONG no matter if they're related or not. Any old guy tricking a kid into giving him "permission" to have sex with him is WRONG. But incest doesn't necessarily mean that.

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Whoever finds it gross would never watch porn featuring fantasy incest but the amount of views on those videos clearly suggest there is a significant segment which wants to do it or atleast has fantasies about it.

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That just a case of the vocal minority. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if a fair portion of those people would claim to be against it in any non-private setting. Though the same goes for the other side, since there are people who aren't turned on by incest but still think it should be legal to some degree.
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I've wondered the same thing myself. And then when I discovered that the "reason" is so that people don't get deformed babies, well i thought "Yeah, I guess that makes sense," but then "Wait what if they just do it to do it without having a kid though?" I personally think that as long as they don't have babies, then incestuous sex can be legal.Chojuto
Let me ask you this. I'm not sure on my own opinion on this matter, so I'm kind of playing Devil's Advocate here... If there was a way a doctor could look at two people and do some kind of study and say, "Ok your baby won't be deformed." Then would it be ok to have an incestuous baby? Same situation, different people. Doctor looks at two non related people and says, "Ok your baby WILL be deformed." Should it be illegal for them to have a child?
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Because it's gross.fidosim
You should see what your mama and papa do between the hours of 8:30 and 9:00pm on every other Wednesday.
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What the hell is wrong with Gamespot recently.. beating women and now incest?
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#30 Thessassin
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Whoever finds it gross would never watch porn featuring fantasy incest but the amount of views on those videos clearly suggest there is a significant segment which wants to do it or atleast has fantasies about it.

Gambler_3

Oedipus complex, learn about it.

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

but it should be legal i agree Franklinstein

I'm pretty sure that most studies show that it doesn't actually produce that much higher of a chance of birth defects. I could be wrong.
I mean, honestly, I think incest is gross, but I don't see a legal reason for not allowing people to do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Not very musch difference, in one generation but through successive generations, yes it does. but i think you missed the part where i said i think it should be legal.

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What the hell is wrong with Gamespot recently.. beating women and now incest?Strider_91
Seems like normal OT to me.
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And with that I'm going to bed.
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#33 Franklinstein
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What the hell is wrong with Gamespot recently.. beating women and now incest?Strider_91
Logically explain to me why it is wrong. Without using your own personal beliefs. Incest is gross to me, but logically I can see why it should be legal.
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And with that I'm going to bed.Wilfred_Owen
Good night, sweet prince.
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

but it should be legal i agree

Thessassin

I'm pretty sure that most studies show that it doesn't actually produce that much higher of a chance of birth defects. I could be wrong.
I mean, honestly, I think incest is gross, but I don't see a legal reason for not allowing people to do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Not very musch difference, in one generation but through successive generations, yes it does. but i think you missed the part where i said i think it should be legal.

I didn't miss it, I was just quoting two people at once. The second half wasn't directed to you.

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Your logic is flawed. Just because people are curious about a video doesn't mean they want to have incestual sex.

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Because it's gross.fidosim
Just like homosexuality! =D
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#38 Thessassin
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I didn't miss it, I was just quoting two people at once. The second half wasn't directed to you.

Franklinstein

I guess you and i have the same views on this, if two mentally fit adults consent, who gives a crap if they are brother and sister.

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#39 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

I didn't miss it, I was just quoting two people at once. The second half wasn't directed to you.

Thessassin

I guess you and i have the same views on this, if two mentally fit adults consent, who gives a crap if they are brother and sister.

It's probably because you and I aren't fascists. Everyone else seems to think it is OK to tell people how they can live their lives. I don't understand it. I have enough problems in my own life without trying to control everyone else.
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[QUOTE="Chojuto"]I've wondered the same thing myself. And then when I discovered that the "reason" is so that people don't get deformed babies, well i thought "Yeah, I guess that makes sense," but then "Wait what if they just do it to do it without having a kid though?" I personally think that as long as they don't have babies, then incestuous sex can be legal.Franklinstein
Let me ask you this. I'm not sure on my own opinion on this matter, so I'm kind of playing Devil's Advocate here... If there was a way a doctor could look at two people and do some kind of study and say, "Ok your baby won't be deformed." Then would it be ok to have an incestuous baby? Same situation, different people. Doctor looks at two non related people and says, "Ok your baby WILL be deformed." Should it be illegal for them to have a child?

Haha, good question. I'd say that if they knew for sure that the baby wouldn't be deformed, then I wouldn't disagree with them having a baby. However if we're talking realistically here, the law would be a very odd one. It'd have to say something like incestuous babies are only okay if they aren't deformed? I feel like it wouldn't realistically work as a fair law, but in my mind I think it makes sense to determine whether they should be allowed to have kids based on if the kid's going to be deformed or not. As for the 2nd scenario: This is where I contradict myself. For the non-related couple with the baby that would be deformed, I'd say it's up to them whether they have the baby or not. I'd strongly disagree with their decision to have a deformed baby but they might be strongly against taking the life of a baby just because it'll be deformed (this kind of delves into the issue of whether abortion is a sub-type of murder or not). In terms of practical fairness it would make more logical sense to say that either both couples have a choice whether to keep the baby or not, or that both couples have to abort the baby if it's deformed. But because there's an existing law now that says incest is illegal you kinda have to skewer what the incestuous couple can do so that it isn't as radical of a change as the present condition. So yeah I don't really have an absolute conclusion. I'd just like to say though, that for any couple that could somehow "know" their baby will be deformed, that would really suck for them.
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"]What the hell is wrong with Gamespot recently.. beating women and now incest?cybrcatter
Seems like normal OT to me.

:lol: Thats the horrible thing, it kind of is.. ugh, i've not had my coffee yet, can't take this.. :P (I"m from the UK so it's morning here)
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#42 Dystopian-X
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Why exactly is bestiality still illegal?

I mean there's no chance of inbreeding and who are you to tell me I can't show my Husky sum love?

You're not god!

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...because it's immoral. If morality is subjective then this country is going to hell.

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#44 Chojuto
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Your logic is flawed. Just because people are curious about a video doesn't mean they want to have incestual sex.

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If my sister was THAT hot (as the actors they have in those videos) then I'd definitely do it with her. But then again I've never had a sister so I don't know what a brother/sister relationship feels like.
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#45 Franklinstein
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Why exactly is bestiality still illegal?

I mean there's no chance of inbreeding and who are you to tell me I can't show my Husky sum love?

You're not god!

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In this situation there is no way to know if the animal is willing. I'm not now, nor will I ever argue for the justification of rape. (Even against animals). There is also a big difference in the fact that incest occurs regularly in nature, cross genus-specie breeding, not so often.
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If my sister was THAT hot (as the actors they have in those videos) then I'd definitely do it with her. But then again I've never had a sister so I don't know what a brother/sister relationship feels like.Chojuto

Can't really describe the feeling of having a sister. Sorry. :P

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#47 cybrcatter
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Why exactly is bestiality still illegal?

I mean there's no chance of inbreeding and who are you to tell me I can't show my Husky sum love?

You're not god!

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[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

Why exactly is bestiality still illegal?

I mean there's no chance of inbreeding and who are you to tell me I can't show my Husky sum love?

You're not god!

Franklinstein

In this situation there is no way to know if the animal is willing. I'm not now, nor will I ever argue for the justification of rape. (Even against animals). There is also a big difference in the fact that incest occurs regularly in nature, cross genus-specie breeding, not so often.

Well i dont know about that whole not willing thing. Try raping a horse and get a swift kick to the chin, try raping a dog and get a swift castration. Catch where im going here? Even so, this is a bit more complicated, what about male animals on females? If the male animal were erect and humping, can you say its unwilling?

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#49 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Chojuto"]I've wondered the same thing myself. And then when I discovered that the "reason" is so that people don't get deformed babies, well i thought "Yeah, I guess that makes sense," but then "Wait what if they just do it to do it without having a kid though?" I personally think that as long as they don't have babies, then incestuous sex can be legal.Chojuto
Let me ask you this. I'm not sure on my own opinion on this matter, so I'm kind of playing Devil's Advocate here... If there was a way a doctor could look at two people and do some kind of study and say, "Ok your baby won't be deformed." Then would it be ok to have an incestuous baby? Same situation, different people. Doctor looks at two non related people and says, "Ok your baby WILL be deformed." Should it be illegal for them to have a child?

Haha, good question. I'd say that if they knew for sure that the baby wouldn't be deformed, then I wouldn't disagree with them having a baby. However if we're talking realistically here, the law would be a very odd one. It'd have to say something like incestuous babies are only okay if they aren't deformed? I feel like it wouldn't realistically work as a fair law, but in my mind I think it makes sense to determine whether they should be allowed to have kids based on if the kid's going to be deformed or not. As for the 2nd scenario: This is where I contradict myself. For the non-related couple with the baby that would be deformed, I'd say it's up to them whether they have the baby or not. I'd strongly disagree with their decision to have a deformed baby but they might be strongly against taking the life of a baby just because it'll be deformed (this kind of delves into the issue of whether abortion is a sub-type of murder or not). In terms of practical fairness it would make more logical sense to say that either both couples have a choice whether to keep the baby or not, or that both couples have to abort the baby if it's deformed. But because there's an existing law now that says incest is illegal you kinda have to skewer what the incestuous couple can do so that it isn't as radical of a change as the present condition. So yeah I don't really have an absolute conclusion. I'd just like to say though, that for any couple that could somehow "know" their baby will be deformed, that would really suck for them.

Yes, it certainly would. And it does bring up some interesting ideas, doesn't it? I mean, the fair thing to do is be fair. If deformity is the reason, then anyone that has a potential for deformity shouldn't be allowed to procreate. We can't outlaw something because our learned morals tell us it's wrong, if there is no logical basis. We have to re-evaluate our morals every once in a while. A few decades ago inter racial relationships were taboo.
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#50 shoot-first
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Because not everyone lives in the mountains.