Why does the Us support israel?

I can understand the religious motives behind it but everything us makes no sense. Its palenstinians land as when we just gave it to them after world war 2. one of the main reasons of terrorism against the us and its allies is because the us supports israel when its their land. some ppl will come in here and say it was theirs first because they lived on it thousands of years ago but lets be realistic here. if americans really believed that then they should give all the land back to the natives as they were here before everyone else. do u think thats ever going to happen? no. so why do ppl accept that its israels land then. wouldn't it be better for western countries and the middle east if we no longer supported israel?

I can understand the religious motives behind it but everything us makes no sense. Its palenstinians land as when we just gave it to them after world war 2. one of the main reasons of terrorism against the us and its allies is because the us supports israel when its their land. some ppl will come in here and say it was theirs first because they lived on it thousands of years ago but lets be realistic here. if americans really believed that then they should give all the land back to the natives as they were here before everyone else. do u think thats ever going to happen? no. so why do ppl accept that its israels land then. wouldn't it be better for western countries and the middle east if we no longer supported israel?

Crusher89

The land doesn't belong to anyone, you want it then take it, if not then who ever has it now gets to keep it. Thats how its worked since man kind has walked the earth. I don't care who claims to have had it in the past.

Because it's Isreal's territory(now adays) and they give some to others and get attacked for it. That's not right.

You put them there. Atleast your helping them...
Im not saying that what they are doing is okay, but still its kinda your fault they are there in the first place.

I can understand the religious motives behind it but everything us makes no sense. Its palenstinians land as when we just gave it to them after world war 2. one of the main reasons of terrorism against the us and its allies is because the us supports israel when its their land. some ppl will come in here and say it was theirs first because they lived on it thousands of years ago but lets be realistic here. if americans really believed that then they should give all the land back to the natives as they were here before everyone else. do u think thats ever going to happen? no. so why do ppl accept that its israels land then. wouldn't it be better for western countries and the middle east if we no longer supported israel?

Crusher89

Your looking at this from some sort of a moral perspective in some areas of your post. Scratch that view. Governments don't give a **** about people, as long as their power is retained.

Israel is strategically located where the U.S. has few allies. It is a leverage point of sorts. Is it worth supporting them? I don't know. A lot of hotshots in D.C. think so. There is lots of oil near Israel. Just something to think about.

Really I don't know... it's seem like both sides are basically completely stupid about the situation.

Also it's not the main reason for terrorism against the US. We've messed up in the middle east several times, but mostly our problem has steamed from Al Qaeda members who we funded to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

[QUOTE="Crusher89"]

I can understand the religious motives behind it but everything us makes no sense. Its palenstinians land as when we just gave it to them after world war 2. one of the main reasons of terrorism against the us and its allies is because the us supports israel when its their land. some ppl will come in here and say it was theirs first because they lived on it thousands of years ago but lets be realistic here. if americans really believed that then they should give all the land back to the natives as they were here before everyone else. do u think thats ever going to happen? no. so why do ppl accept that its israels land then. wouldn't it be better for western countries and the middle east if we no longer supported israel?

coolbeans90

Your looking at this from some sort of a moral perspective in some areas of your post. Scratch that view. Governments don't give a **** about people, as long as their power is retained.

Israel is strategically located where the U.S. has few allies. It is a leverage point of sorts. Is it worth supporting them? I don't know. A lot of hotshots in D.C. think so. There is lots of oil near Israel. Just something to think about.

Also Israel can be relied on to keep Middle Eastern countries in line, Iran is more worried about what Israel might do if they go too far with their Nuclear program then what the U.S will.

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Crusher89"]

I can understand the religious motives behind it but everything us makes no sense. Its palenstinians land as when we just gave it to them after world war 2. one of the main reasons of terrorism against the us and its allies is because the us supports israel when its their land. some ppl will come in here and say it was theirs first because they lived on it thousands of years ago but lets be realistic here. if americans really believed that then they should give all the land back to the natives as they were here before everyone else. do u think thats ever going to happen? no. so why do ppl accept that its israels land then. wouldn't it be better for western countries and the middle east if we no longer supported israel?

mattisgod01

Your looking at this from some sort of a moral perspective in some areas of your post. Scratch that view. Governments don't give a **** about people, as long as their power is retained.

Israel is strategically located where the U.S. has few allies. It is a leverage point of sorts. Is it worth supporting them? I don't know. A lot of hotshots in D.C. think so. There is lots of oil near Israel. Just something to think about.

Also Israel can be relied on to keep Middle Eastern countries in line, Iran is more worried about what Israel might do if they go too far with their Nuclear program then what the U.S will.

I honestly think it is more about keeping oil in line. If the Federal Government was seriously concerned about the nuclear Iran issue, they would have sent them back to the stone age years ago.

The only reason we were attacked on 9/11 is because we back Israel. wstfld

seriously, you think that is the only reason?

1. Jews own alot of big corps in the US.

2. US wants a lapdog in every part of the world and they want the most powerful one - I don't think they have one in South america as yet but as for the other territories (EU- England, Asia - Japan (too bad china is the super power there.. really tramped with their plans, Middle East - Israel)

3. Israel main religion is not Islam.

4. Did I mention Jews have alot of influence in the US? Too much if you ask me.

The only reason we were attacked on 9/11 is because we back Israel. wstfld

[QUOTE="wstfld"]The only reason we were attacked on 9/11 is because we back Israel. mrbojangles25

seriously, you think that is the only reason?

LOL. No, but I definitely think its a huge reason.

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

mrbojangles25

Well Isreal is completely surrounded by people that if they had their way they would have Isreal gone. Although I think that a lot of things that Isreal does is justified I can see how they think such overwhelming force is necessary.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

jehuty12

Well Isreal is completely surrounded by people that if they had their way they would have Isreal gone. Although I think that a lot of things that Isreal does is justified I can see how they think such overwhelming force is necessary.

well the stupid thing is that the Zionists chose the spot. You cant jump into shark-infested waters and go "What the hell? Why did I get bit?!"

But that is besides the point; initially, Israel was able to coexist in the region. I remember speaking to a Holocaust survivor that was one of the first Israeli citizens (she later moved because she did not approve of Israel's actions), and she told me that they had their bit of land, and they existed alongside arabs peacefully.

Israel has generally been the aggressor, and they have done a lot of things to deserve being surrounded by countries that hate them. It goes beyond the traditional ethnic/religious hate, and into far more practical, reasonable causes for conflict.

I'm almost positive that there's some under the table kind of stuff going on.

Because it's Isreal's territory(now adays) and they give some to others and get attacked for it. That's not right.

Flamecommando

The United States needs a powerful ally in that region. Israel has the military potential to destroy all of their enemies. That is an ally worth having on your side.

1. Jews own alot of big corps in the US.

2. US wants a lapdog in every part of the world and they want the most powerful one - I don't think they have one in South america as yet but as for the other territories (EU- England, Asia - Japan (too bad china is the super power there.. really tramped with their plans, Middle East - Israel)

3. Israel main religion is not Islam.

4. Did I mention Jews have alot of influence in the US? Too much if you ask me.

Espada12

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]The only reason we were attacked on 9/11 is because we back Israel. wstfld

seriously, you think that is the only reason?

LOL. No, but I definitely think its a huge reason.

[QUOTE="wstfld"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

seriously, you think that is the only reason?

-Sun_Tzu-

LOL. No, but I definitely think its a huge reason.

Pretty much, They don't just hate the U.S. They hate everyone who isn't muslim. The U.S isn't the only country to be targeted.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

1. Jews own alot of big corps in the US.

2. US wants a lapdog in every part of the world and they want the most powerful one - I don't think they have one in South america as yet but as for the other territories (EU- England, Asia - Japan (too bad china is the super power there.. really tramped with their plans, Middle East - Israel)

3. Israel main religion is not Islam.

4. Did I mention Jews have alot of influence in the US? Too much if you ask me.

sosodat

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]

LOL. No, but I definitely think its a huge reason.

mattisgod01

Pretty much, They don't just hate the U.S. They hate everyone who isn't muslim. The U.S isn't the only country to be targeted.

yea, I hate to belittle their actions, but its like South Park said...theyre just a bunch of pissed off Muslims. With money, who are smart and bored, and take advantage of stupid poor Muslims.

(*no, I am not generalizing and saying all muslims are like that...its just a tiny fraction that are prone to acts of terrorism)

Its not israels territory if the land is occupied! And its not like the palestinians ask for all of israel anymore they understand that the state exists What they want is a state that should be on the 1967 occupied terrotories. Nobody in the international community recognizes israels illegal annexation and yet they still want to take more land WHY? because they understanding that while negotiating they will be able to take the big settlement blocks and thats why israel opposes a new UN resolution that the palestinians and some countries in europe wnat to bring to the securtiy council which recognises the 1967 borders as there land that way enabling them to independently declare a palestinian state. and there are some nooks and crannies as well from both sides but im to lazy to talk about them hasosodat

Ok. It's more than likely what the person said below your post. They want a powerfull ally in the area. Generally the US will back them on many things. If Israel wants that territory, the US will most likely side with them.

Pretty much, They don't just hate the U.S. They hate everyone who isn't muslim. The U.S isn't the only country to be targeted.

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

fiscope

I cannot let the Jews have "their little field" if it means the destruction of another's home and the imprisonment, persecution, and segregation of a country.

They literally encircle vast areas in a wall and starve them into leaving the area, then they move in.

In other neighborhoods, the Israelis literaly built apartments on top of arab homes, and they throw their garbage down into the streets.

They bulldoze neighborhoods, often with people still living in them or at least with their possessions in there.

They build highways that bisect arab neighborhoods, forbidding arabs to cross. So while one day an Arab could go to work, now he has to travel ten miles up the road to discover a checkpoint he cannot cross.

While I acknowledge the disaster that is the history of the Jewish people, there are far better ways to go about getting them their home. The establishment of Israel I do not necessarily object to, merely the expansion of Israel and the treatment of their neighbors.

I am not a bleeding heart liberal, I recognize the fact that both sides of this conflict have done tremendous wrongs to eachother, but the simple fact is that Israel started it.

[QUOTE="fiscope"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

mrbojangles25

I cannot let the Jews have "their little field" if it means the destruction of another's home and the imprisonment, persecution, and segregation of a country.

They literally encircle vast areas in a wall and starve them into leaving the area, then they move in.

In other neighborhoods, the Israelis literaly built apartments on top of arab homes, and they throw their garbage down into the streets.

They bulldoze neighborhoods, often with people still living in them or at least with their possessions in there.

They build highways that bisect arab neighborhoods, forbidding arabs to cross. So while one day an Arab could go to work, now he has to travel ten miles up the road to discover a checkpoint he cannot cross.

While I acknowledge the disaster that is the history of the Jewish people, there are far better ways to go about getting them their home. The establishment of Israel I do not necessarily object to, merely the expansion of Israel and the treatment of their neighbors.

I am not a bleeding heart liberal, I recognize the fact that both sides of this conflict have done tremendous wrongs to eachother, but the simple fact is that Israel started it.

Wars are fought, land is taken, and in several years history leaves it all behind. If you think that there is a place on earth where this type of behavior hasn't taken place, you would be wrong. It's unfortunate that the arabs are being unfairly forced to leave, but what is even more depressing is that their own people arent there for them. All jewish citizens have a place in Israel and are allowed to travel there. Islam needs to come to it's peoples' rescue. Instead, the money sits with people who abuse it, and their own people starve.

I agree that it is not right, as you've said, but Israel is there to stay. The more their enemiesfight, the more they will die. It's time to move on or this war will last forever.

[QUOTE="sosodat"]

Its not israels territory if the land is occupied! And its not like the palestinians ask for all of israel anymore they understand that the state exists What they want is a state that should be on the 1967 occupied terrotories. Nobody in the international community recognizes israels illegal annexation and yet they still want to take more land WHY? because they understanding that while negotiating they will be able to take the big settlement blocks and thats why israel opposes a new UN resolution that the palestinians and some countries in europe wnat to bring to the securtiy council which recognises the 1967 borders as there land that way enabling them to independently declare a palestinian state. and there are some nooks and crannies as well from both sides but im to lazy to talk about them haFlamecommando

Ok. It's more than likely what the person said below your post. They want a powerfull ally in the area. Generally the US will back them on many things. If Israel wants that territory, the US will most likely side with them.

its called the balance of power, the US needs a stable, strong ally in the mideast region.

Israel is that ally, other states in the region are simply too hostile/too unstable for good relations to occur.

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

mrbojangles25

Because it's Isreal's territory(now adays) and they give some to others and get attacked for it. That's not right.

Flamecommando

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

Maqda7

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="fiscope"] A people without a home is a disaster. The jews have never had an army to defend themselves with, and so, they were killed in massive numbers and nobody really cared. They say that jews own the world, but that is a lie, as the holocaust has proven. They are a people brought within an inch of complete annihilation. They own a small bit of land called israel now, a very tiny, almost insignificant bit of land. Even smaller than florida, a single state in the US. Muslims have an entire part of the world to call home, where their religion is dominant. Let the jews have their little field.

fiscope

I cannot let the Jews have "their little field" if it means the destruction of another's home and the imprisonment, persecution, and segregation of a country.

They literally encircle vast areas in a wall and starve them into leaving the area, then they move in.

In other neighborhoods, the Israelis literaly built apartments on top of arab homes, and they throw their garbage down into the streets.

They bulldoze neighborhoods, often with people still living in them or at least with their possessions in there.

They build highways that bisect arab neighborhoods, forbidding arabs to cross. So while one day an Arab could go to work, now he has to travel ten miles up the road to discover a checkpoint he cannot cross.

While I acknowledge the disaster that is the history of the Jewish people, there are far better ways to go about getting them their home. The establishment of Israel I do not necessarily object to, merely the expansion of Israel and the treatment of their neighbors.

I am not a bleeding heart liberal, I recognize the fact that both sides of this conflict have done tremendous wrongs to eachother, but the simple fact is that Israel started it.

1. I hardly see this argument extended to AMerica any more. I suppose it's no longer fashionable. America was founded on principles of freedom and equality, yet they treated Native Americans and african immagrants like the scum of the earth. Welcome to humanity.

2. Wars are fought, land is taken, and in several years history leaves it all behind. If you think that there is a place on earth where this type of behavior hasn't taken place, you would be wrong. It's unfortunate that the arabs are being unfairly forced to leave, but what is even more depressing is that their own people arent there for them. All jewish citizens have a place in Israel and are allowed to travel there. Islam needs to come to it's peoples' rescue. Instead, the money sits with people who abuse it, and their own people starve.

3. I agree that it is not right, as you've said, but Israel is there to stay. The more their enemiesfight, the more they will die. It's time to move on or this war will last forever.

1. sorry, I cannot accept "survival of the fittest" as a legitimate argument any more. I am ashamed of what my country (the US) did to its native inhabitants, but things change and we learn from history. Or, sometimes, we dont...sadly.

2. Arabs would come to the help of their brethren, if only the US was not there to slap any offenders down. Iran and many other countries would have wiped out Israel years ago, countless times over, if the US was not there to provide backing for Israel.

3. Well I am happy to see that you agree its not right. I also want to restate that I do not object to the existence of Israel; I just do not approve of the ways they expand. As for fighting harder and dieing harder, well, you cannot ask people to simply roll over and let the Israelis bulldoze over them. They gotta fight

I guess to make a long story short, history repeats itself...the US slaughtered the American Indians, now the Zionists slaughter the native Arabs. I am not going to sit back and say "Thats life" though.

Take this from a Muslim:

I think Israel has the right to exist, but it's policies are oppresive and cruel. I would have no problem with Israel if they didn't treat Palestinians like dirt, steal their land, and restrict their movements. No matter how much the media covers it up, Israel is oppresing the Palestinians left and right. That being said, I think both Israel and Hamas (NOT Palestine) are in the wrong.

But it's the Muslims and Jews who should fix the problem and try to negotiate with each other. America shouldn't intervene.

[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I honestly do not know. I mean, the initial support and founding of Israel makes a tiny bit of sense ("Oh, we need a home for the Jews, blah blah blah") but to be truthful that was actually Britain's doing, not the US's. We provided, and still do, military support, hardware, and training, which is a damn shame.

In my opinion, the Jews have a home, its the United States. I dont know why Zionists are so convinced they need a country that is all Jewish.

On moral grounds, however, I think the US needs to stop supporting Israel. What they are doing is simply horrible, and given the history of the Jews, its hypocrisy.

GulliversTravel

Take this from a Muslim:

I think Israel has the right to exist, but it's policies are oppresive and cruel. I would have no problem with Israel if they didn't treat Palestinians like dirt, steal their land, and restrict their movements. No matter how much the media covers it up, Israel is oppresing the Palestinians left and right. That being said, I think both Israel and Hamas (NOT Palestine) are in the wrong.

But it's the Muslims and Jews who should fix the problem and try to negotiate with each other. America shouldn't intervene.

ghoklebutter

See, the thing about both sides is that they won't accept a secular government. Okay, people claim Israel is secular, but I don't believe it, and I don't think their policies bare that out, either.

But the point is, instead of coming together and having a unified country under a non-religious government, where all people live under the same rights and have freedom to practice their religion as they see proper, both are insisting their government should be Jewish or Islamic.

Some are going to say "But under Muslim control, the Jews were allowed to live in Jerusalem in peace." That's somewhat true (ignoring events such as massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828,) but Jews were NOT treated as equals, what with the Jizya and not being able to serve in the national defense and so on and so forth; they were alienated.

Both sides are idiots ran by stupid, stubborn, and ignorant people.

Jews: This land was given to us by God.

Palestinians: Any land to comes under Muslim control (even if by the sword) is NEVER allowed to revert.

But I don't get the Palestinians claiming that Jerusalem was never a Jewish center. The Torah mentions Jerusalem 669 times, and Zion (the land of Israel) 154 times. The Qur'an doesn't mention it once (though it does mention "in the direction of Syria" as the first qibla).

So some of you seem to be proposing Israel shoud cease to exist?

How many of you live in the U.S.? So lets give the U.S. back to American Indians. See how ridiculous that sounds? This caseis much more unjust, I think, than Israel's creation.

Or some of you seem to say Israel should give back land it won in wars, in which it was attacked. How is that fair?

I don't know what some of you people view Israel as. It's as if you think Israel is just some "evil" military force. Are you aware of all the useful technology that comes out of Israel, and the scientific studies? Have you even stopped to think how impressive it is that Israel is so successful in agriculture, considering their geography? It's not some backward country...

Kids are growing up like third, fourth generation in Israel. It is their home, and I think, comparing the size of all the neighboring Arab countries, that a tiny fraction of a fraction of the land can be designated "Israel."

See, the thing about both sides is that they won't accept a secular government. Okay, people claim Israel is secular, but I don't believe it, and I don't think their policies bare that out, either.

But the point is, instead of coming together and having a unified country under a non-religious government, where all people live under the same rights and have freedom to practice their religion as they see proper, both are insisting their government should be Jewish or Islamic.

Some are going to say "But under Muslim control, the Jews were allowed to live in Jerusalem in peace." That's somewhat true (ignoring events such as massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828,) but Jews were NOT treated as equals, what with the Jizya and not being able to serve in the national defense and so on and so forth; they were alienated.

Both sides are idiots ran by stupid, stubborn, and ignorant people.

Jews: This land was given to us by God.

Palestinians: Any land to comes under Muslim control (even if by the sword) is NEVER allowed to revert.

But I don't get the Palestinians claiming that Jerusalem was never a Jewish center. The Torah mentions Jerusalem 669 times, and Zion (the land of Israel) 154 times. The Qur'an doesn't mention it once (though it does mention "in the direction of Syria" as the first qibla).

br0kenrabbit

Jerusalem isn't mentioned in the Qur'an, that's correct. The only thing we hold as significant in Jerusalem is the Dome of Rock and Al-Aqsa. And yes, I think both Jews and Muslims must share them. Just because I'm Muslim, doesn't mean that I don't regard others beliefs at all.

P.S. I hope you can read my post. GS is glitching on me again.