Why are you afraid of a socialist or a communist?

For those who fervently oppose such ideologies, for what reasons are you afraid of a socialist or communist? Why are their ideas about society so scary?

because i believe that full government control gradually removes personal responsibility from life.

because i believe that full government control gradually removes personal responsibility from life.

dissonantblack

I hate communism because it brought nothing but oppression and misery to the country of my ancestors. My grandparents fled the country as teenagers and the man who helped them over the border was later executed. Westerners who call themselves communist know NOTHING of the pain it has brought to people who actually lived through it.

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because i believe that full government control gradually removes personal responsibility from life.

LJS9502_basic

exactly. I believe that it wouldn't be good because, well, let's just say i want more money so i work more hours. But i can't keep all the money i earn because that wouldn't be equal. So i only get to keep how ever much i'm permitted to and then the rest goes to the government. so why work more if it's always going to go away? Everyone develops that motive and in doing so, productivity rates go down.

If memory serves me correctly, the USSR, and eastern block countries had laws preventing these types of things from happening. And you had to work as much as you were told. and if you didn't you'd break the law and the KGB would come to your house and i'm pretty sure you can guess the rest. So if you are a communist country and declining productivity rates are a problem, you could do this. However that is what we call Dictatorial my dear children and it is in fact highly frowned upon by its citizens.

Even at its base level, assuming that there was a communist county where the government was peaceful and not murdering people like Stalin, I still wouldn't want to live there for that reason, and to quote Thatcher, socialism is only nice until the government runs out of everyone's money.

To loosely quote former President Gerald Ford: Any govt big enough to give you everything you need is big enough to take from you everything you have.

I'll take personal responsibility and freedom, thank you.

I hate communism because it brought nothing but oppression and misery to the country of my ancestors. My grandparents fled the country as teenagers and the man who helped them over the border was later executed. Westerners who call themselves communist know NOTHING of the pain it has brought to people who actually lived through it.

Good-Apollo

They seem to be living in the 1930s. It's an outdated idea.

I hate communism because it brought nothing but oppression and misery to the country of my ancestors. My grandparents fled the country as teenagers and the man who helped them over the border was later executed. Westerners who call themselves communist know NOTHING of the pain it has brought to people who actually lived through it.

Good-Apollo

They seem to be living in the 1930s. It's an outdated idea.

SgtKevali

All I want for my country and fellow citizens is a system that will grant the most welfare for as many people as possible. If my reasoning lead me to believe that communism was the better choice, I would choose that. However, it is not. Capitalism is more efficient at providing goods and services to more people than Communism is. Is it a perfect system? Of course not, nothing that relies on humans ever is. But it's superior than the alternative.

I also believe that the most efficient system is not 'pure' capitalism in the most simple, academic use of the term. Dynamic, real world adjustment must be made to protect against market failures.I think it is important to continually observe and learn from real world case studies, and try to improve as we go along.

Finally, the system is not 'one size fits all'. Different economies at different maturity levels require different policies, and this should ALWAYS be taken into consideration, and 'our' way should not simply be superimposed upon others because it 'currently' works for us.

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I hate communism because it brought nothing but oppression and misery to the country of my ancestors. My grandparents fled the country as teenagers and the man who helped them over the border was later executed. Westerners who call themselves communist know NOTHING of the pain it has brought to people who actually lived through it.

optiow

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They seem to be living in the 1930s. It's an outdated idea.

optiow

Outdated in that it's been shown not to work.

[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="Good-Apollo"]

I hate communism because it brought nothing but oppression and misery to the country of my ancestors. My grandparents fled the country as teenagers and the man who helped them over the border was later executed. Westerners who call themselves communist know NOTHING of the pain it has brought to people who actually lived through it.

Good-Apollo

Socialism/Communism is a good idea on paper, but all of the countries so far executed it poorly.

Outdated in that it's been shown not to work.SgtKevali

[QUOTE="Good-Apollo"] it's about communism and how much of a failure of an ideology it is. optiow

Have you been told first hand of the horror stories involving injustices against humanity that these people suffered?

[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="Good-Apollo"] it's about communism and how much of a failure of an ideology it is. Good-Apollo

Have you been told first hand of the horror stories involving injustices against humanity that these people suffered?

Pretty much this. My dad told me the details of life under communism (Eastern Europe Balkans), $2/month pay, farm the food for the governemnt, lived in shacks...it was a depressing place...

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[QUOTE="optiow"] Can you speak for every member of every country that has called themselves communist? Have you researched in depth every country which has had a communist revolution, as well as the current revolutions?DroidPhysX

Have you been told first hand of the horror stories involving injustices against humanity that these people suffered?

Pretty much this. My dad told me the details of life under communism (Eastern Europe Balkans), $2/month pay, farm the food for the governemnt, lived in shacks...it was a depressing place...

Do you have family members and friends who not only lost their freedom but sometimes even their lives under the various regimes?

Have you been told first hand of the horror stories involving injustices against humanity that these people suffered?Good-Apollo

Communists always look broke so **** that. And socialism is for hippies, seriously.What's wrong with a democratic republic?

What's wrong with a democratic republic?MagnumPI

Communists always look broke so **** that. And socialism is for hippies, seriously.What's wrong with a democratic republic?

MagnumPI

I hate communism because it brought nothing but oppression and misery to the country of my ancestors. My grandparents fled the country as teenagers and the man who helped them over the border was later executed. Westerners who call themselves communist know NOTHING of the pain it has brought to people who actually lived through it.

Good-Apollo

there is EVERYTHING to fear and hate about socialism.

large government, government interferes with everyone and everything, and everyone except the government suffers. My parents actually lived in communist russia, so I take their word on how much communism sucked.

I vehemently oppose both political ideologies, but I don't fear those who support them.

Well, to some degrees I am a socialist. However, state socialism and state communism aren't exactly good things to me either.

History has shown that both cause just as much problems as Capitalism. I mean look at China for example The people who make the clothing we buy at wal-mart make less per week than it costs us to buy that clothing. If it could be done successfully then I'm sure Communism and Socialism would be good forms of government but the problem is something always corrupts those forms of government so they can ultimately never be perfect and done correctly. ferrari2001

Because neither ideologies work, along with capitalism. A mixed market is the best system.

[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]History has shown that both cause just as much problems as Capitalism. I mean look at China for example The people who make the clothing we buy at wal-mart make less per week than it costs us to buy that clothing. If it could be done successfully then I'm sure Communism and Socialism would be good forms of government but the problem is something always corrupts those forms of government so they can ultimately never be perfect and done correctly. one_plum

I think it's more in the hands of big corporations.

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Communists always look broke so **** that. And socialism is for hippies, seriously.What's wrong with a democratic republic?

one_plum

North Korea is a "democratic republic", just like how the Soviet Union is a "socialist republic".

The Scandinavian Countries use democratic socialism and social democracy, NK is a totalitarian communist dictatorship.

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[QUOTE="Darkainious"] And this is the beauty of Capitalism. The Government doesn't HAVE to do anything. They leave it in the hands of the people. The government does not know better than you. The less they do, the better.rawsavon

I think it's more in the hands of big corporations.

Communists always look broke so **** that. And socialism is for hippies, seriously.What's wrong with a democratic republic?

MagnumPI

You're mixing up economics with political systems. You can have a democratic republic with any economic system.

business and corporations are taboo, no one should like them or even understand them

surrealnumber5

:lol:

There are not too many people on here I like...but you are one of them

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[QUOTE="one_plum"]

North Korea is a "democratic republic", just like how the Soviet Union is a "socialist republic".

one_plum

The Scandinavian Countries use democratic socialism and social democracy, NK is a totalitarian communist dictatorship.

My reasoning was that you can't associate the regime itself with its official name.

Heh, didn't read the entire post. :P

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[QUOTE="Darkainious"] And this is the beauty of Capitalism. The Government doesn't HAVE to do anything. They leave it in the hands of the people. The government does not know better than you. The less they do, the better.rawsavon

I think it's more in the hands of big corporations.

Fix'd :(

Yes, the nobility of our day. If you drain the power of the Government it will just pour into the hands of the rich and powerful.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

I think it's more in the hands of big corporations.

Ultimas_Blade

Fix'd :(

Yes, the nobility of our day. If you drain the power of the Government it will just pour into the hands of the rich and powerful.