What's up with all the Islamaphobia in the US now a days?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100815/pl_afp/uspoliticsreligionattacks_20100815184754#mwpphu-container go to "highest rated" in the comments. More often than not those are more or less sensible (people stating good pros or cons of the subject at hand). However in this case the first 5 not only bash the planned mosque/community center but they bash Islam hard itself. Some quotes for the higehest rated comments

"This is one nation under god (singular) if you don't like it that way then leave" (comment implies Allah isn't god)

"I strongly disagree with the building of this mosque if it were up to me I would remove all muslims from America. Islam is only peaceful if you are a muslim if you are not a muslim they just kill you!" Comment for the most part implies over a billion people (including several mllion Americans) want to slaughter those who disagee with their religous beliefs.

and probably the strongest comment holding a thumbs up thumbs down ratio of about 3:2. "Any american who participates in the building of this should be shot on site for treason against the constitution".

What's wrong with people?

The only problem i have with others expressing their religion is that i KNOW me doing the same in their country would not garner the same response from them. They come here expecting something that they would not be willing to give another.

Otherwise, i honestly could not care less what anyone does/wants to do.

It's not a "phobia", it's an opinion.Unassigned

[QUOTE="Unassigned"]It's not a "phobia", it's an opinion.ghoklebutter

i agree. read this

The only problem i have with others expressing their religion is that i KNOW me doing the same in their country would not garner the same response from them. They come here expecting something that they would not be willing to give another.

Otherwise, i honestly could not care less what anyone does/wants to do.

Alter_Echo

That's not really true, most Muslims support freedom of religion and wish that the few Islamist regimes that disallow it would be more open, which is part of the reason why Muslims come to nations like the U.S.

As to the topic, the Islamophobia in America is bad, but it's ten times worse in European nations, one of the few areas where I think we're actually ahead of Europe in terms of progress.

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

The only problem i have with others expressing their religion is that i KNOW me doing the same in their country would not garner the same response from them. They come here expecting something that they would not be willing to give another.

Otherwise, i honestly could not care less what anyone does/wants to do.theone86

That's not really true, most Muslims support freedom of religion and wish that the few Islamist regimes that disallow it would be more open, which is part of the reason why Muslims come to nations like the U.S.

Agreed, It really doesn't matter if Islam accepts other religions or not. What does matter, is that the United States does. Case closed. ;)

Yeah, I can't think of anything that has happened in the last ten years that could cause people to feel trepidation toward the Islamic faith; can you?xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"]Yeah, I can't think of anything that has happened in the last ten years that could cause people to feel trepidation toward the Islamic faith; can you?grape_of_wrath

Sorry if it's taking us a while to get over the worst terrorist attack our country ever faced, as well as the constant horror stories of extremists preforming unspeakable acts in the middle east.

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People respond to what they see in the world.SolidSnake35

But they're also very selective about what they see.

Islamophobia...have you not heard of Muslim Day at Six Flags?..

The US has a history of discrimination and prejudice against blacks, native americans, jews, chinese, japanese, irish, italians, russians, catholics, mexicans, latinos, women and im sure im leaving someone out. Muslims and mexicans are just the ones who happen to be public enemies No. 1 and 2. History sadly always repeats itself.

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

The only problem i have with others expressing their religion is that i KNOW me doing the same in their country would not garner the same response from them. They come here expecting something that they would not be willing to give another.

Otherwise, i honestly could not care less what anyone does/wants to do.

theone86

That's not really true, most Muslims support freedom of religion and wish that the few Islamist regimes that disallow it would be more open, which is part of the reason why Muslims come to nations like the U.S.

As to the topic, the Islamophobia in America is bad, but it's ten times worse in European nations, one of the few areas where I think we're actually ahead of Europe in terms of progress.

The US has a history of discrimination and prejudice against blacks, jews, chinese, japanese, irish, italians, russians, catholics, mexicans, latinos, and im sure im leaving someone out. Muslims and mexicans are just the ones who happen to be public enemies No. 1 and 2. History sadly always repeats itself.Diablo-B

Probably because of the Danish Mohammed cartoons that caused large scale backlash against freedom of speech as opposed to be absolute minority of Muslims who support 9/11.Gallion-Beast

Or maybe that people just think it is highly respectless to build a mosque on top of ground zero?

Probably because of the Danish Mohammed cartoons that caused large scale backlash against freedom of speech as opposed to be absolute minority of Muslims who support 9/11.Gallion-Beast

As I understand it, it was the publisher's decision to pull the cartoon, that's not an issue of freedom of speech as there was no government pressure.

Or maybe that people just think it is highly respectless to build a mosque on top of ground zero?

DoomZaW

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]

Probably because of the Danish Mohammed cartoons that caused large scale backlash against freedom of speech as opposed to be absolute minority of Muslims who support 9/11.

As I understand it, it was the publisher's decision to pull the cartoon, that's not an issue of freedom of speech as there was no government pressure.

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Or maybe that people just think it is highly respectless to build a mosque on top of ground zero?

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]

As I understand it, it was the publisher's decision to pull the cartoon, that's not an issue of freedom of speech as there was no government pressure.

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Or maybe that people just think it is highly respectless to build a mosque on top of ground zero?

p2250

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]

Probably because of the Danish Mohammed cartoons that caused large scale backlash against freedom of speech as opposed to be absolute minority of Muslims who support 9/11.theone86

As I understand it, it was the publisher's decision to pull the cartoon, that's not an issue of freedom of speech as there was no government pressure.

Or maybe that people just think it is highly respectless to build a mosque on top of ground zero?

DoomZaW

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Unassigned"]It's not a "phobia", it's an opinion.T_REX305

i agree. read this

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

theone86

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] It's still in bad taste to build a memorial to the 9/11 hijackersXx_Hopeless_xX

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] It's still in bad taste to build a memorial to the 9/11 hijackersXx_Hopeless_xX

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

It's a prayer and community center, and why build anything anywhere? They obviously feel that it is the right position for them to do the most good, and the one that was both for sale and within their price range.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] It's still in bad taste to build a memorial to the 9/11 hijackersp2250

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all. I can just tell your position is based more on opinion than it is on fact and reasoning.

He didn't say America DESERVED 9/11, he said American policies around the world are part of the reason why Islamic terrorist organizations are able to recruit like they do. He also said he supports the Palestinian governement in terms of the conflict with Israel, but he did say he did not support the terrorist actions of Hamas.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="theone86"]

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

theone86

It's a prayer and community center, and why build anything anywhere? They obviously feel that it is the right position for them to do the most good, and the one that was both for sale and within their price range.

Also, it was NOT in their price range it cost millions of dollars.. plus, they were funded in some cases from unknown sponsors..

That's about as much sense as your statement made...

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="theone86"]

It's not a memorial to the hijackers, it's a prayer and community center, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all. I can just tell your position is based more on opinion than it is on fact and reasoning.

He didn't say America DESERVED 9/11, he said American policies around the world are part of the reason why Islamic terrorist organizations are able to recruit like they do. He also said he supports the Palestinian governement in terms of the conflict with Israel, but he did say he did not support the terrorist actions of Hamas.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]

As I understand it, it was the publisher's decision to pull the cartoon, that's not an issue of freedom of speech as there was no government pressure.

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Or maybe that people just think it is highly respectless to build a mosque on top of ground zero?

Gallion-Beast

Good, when someone decides to build a mosque on top of ground zero let me know, this is in the general vicinity NOT on the actual site.

That's absolutely false. The common perception of the scripture in question is that Muslims are not supposed to worship images or let them become more important than the person. For some Muslims that means that images of Muhammed are allowed, they are just not to be glorified. For others that means that depictions of Muhammed aren't allowed, but that it only applies to Muslims and they shouldn't expect others to abide by those rules. A small minority thinks that depictions of Muhammed shouldn't be allowed at all, not in any way representative of Islam as a whole. In fact, more Muslims support freedom of speech than think that depictions of Muhammed should not be allowed.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] That's what they're calling it, but you can tell it's just a victory memorial for the terrorists. One of the people adovacting it supports Hamas and said America deserved 9/11.p2250

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all. I can just tell your position is based more on opinion than it is on fact and reasoning.

He didn't say America DESERVED 9/11, he said American policies around the world are part of the reason why Islamic terrorist organizations are able to recruit like they do. He also said he supports the Palestinian governement in terms of the conflict with Israel, but he did say he did not support the terrorist actions of Hamas.

Not really, you can agree with someone in principle and still not rupport their actions, Skippy.

"Any american who participates in the building of this should be shot on site for treason against the constitution". Someone_who_never_read_the_constitution_before

Hooray for freedom of speech, thought, labour and freedom from arbitrary crimes and cruel and unusual punishment!

I guess one has to tolerate one or two retarded statements for every good statement said in a society that allows freedom of speech.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Why build a mosque there?...There's a mosque a mere 18 minutes away from the site of ground zero...Xx_Hopeless_xX

It's a prayer and community center, and why build anything anywhere? They obviously feel that it is the right position for them to do the most good, and the one that was both for sale and within their price range.

Also, it was NOT in their price range it cost millions of dollars.. plus, they were funded in some cases from unknown sponsors..

That's about as much sense as your statement made...

Hitler's views of the Aryans was wildly unrealistic and not at all in line with what they really were. In fact, aryan was simply a term used for classification and myths and speculation led to ignorant people classifying them as the master race. So yeah, go ahead and build a monument to the Aryans near a concentration camp, seeing as how the Aryans were nothing like what Hitler thought they were and probably would have been persecuted under Hitler had he seen them and not known who they were.

In fact that's a perfect comparison to the buulding, seeing as how everyday Muslims are nothing like the classifications and stereotypes that ignorant Americans assign to them. Building a mosque near ground zero is not offensive, we are a land of diversity that supports the freedom to practice all religions and the fact that a mosque can be built near a site like ground zero is a testament to those principles withstanding ignorance brought on by extremist attacks. Osama bin Laden predicted years ago that if America were ever attacked by Islamic terrorists American would react unfairly against Muslims in the country, and he predicted would send many more Muslims to his cause. This hysterical nonsense saying that the mosque is some sort of victory memorial is exactly what Osama bin Laden hoped to cause by attacking in the first place.

They're going to build a Mosque and Islamic Center near the World Trade Center...I seriously doubt that's "Islamaphobia" if that thing's going through.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

It's a prayer and community center, and why build anything anywhere? They obviously feel that it is the right position for them to do the most good, and the one that was both for sale and within their price range.

theone86

Also, it was NOT in their price range it cost millions of dollars.. plus, they were funded in some cases from unknown sponsors..

That's about as much sense as your statement made...

"That is the essence of tolerance, peace and understanding. This is not an issue of law, whether religious freedom or local zoning. This is a basic issue of respect of a tragic moment in our history"House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a written statement."

Also a good point.."Santorum compared the ground zero mosque to a minister who wants to builds a church near the location where the Rev. Martin Luther King was killed but preaches racial separation and the notion that King brought his death upon himself."

And the man who will be running said Mosque is one who believes the US had a part in the events that occured on 9/11...

These citations could be found by just searching google by the way..as well as the percentage mentioned above..

It's not a "phobia", it's an opinion.Unassigned

[QUOTE="Unassigned"]It's not a "phobia", it's an opinion.KidCudi37

islam is to be feared it's a dangerous creed

[QUOTE="Unassigned"]It's not a "phobia", it's an opinion.KidCudi37

A phobia is an irrational fear rather than an opinion. I don't have an 'opinion' on on heights - I'm just **** scared of them