[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
What the f*ck are you on about? I've never claimed that persecution of Jews didn't happen. I'm simply disputing the idea that your ancestors living in a particular place long ago give you rights over that land now.
worlock77
bottom line, non Jews did not want Jews to live amongst them (some still don't , lets be honest), and made it quite clear, hence why some Jews are going to leave. again , don't change your perceptions based on what suits you , if the Jews are outsiders, then they will leave, its very simple, don't expect that if society changes all of a sudden , Jews will be utterly grateful and forget everything. and if my history doesn't matter, then we should just throw all Arabs out, since their history has no meaning either in this case- I'm not changing my perspective. Not sure why you keep stating that. And again, I've not claimed that persecution of Jews didn't happen.
- Except that Palestinians where actually there, in the present, when Jews came in driving them out with the claim that "this land is ours because it belonged to our ancestors".
Im afraid that you are changing your perceptions, go back not too far back in time, and you will find that Jews were for the most part , seen as an outsider people. history has consequences, and you have to realize that, and the creation of a Jewish state was the result of that , deal with it, its history.
furthermore, no country wanted to accept the Jews when they needed help, the US , the UK and others only accepted limited amounts of Jews at best , and told the rest to turn back. now do I blame them? not really, no one wants to deal with hundreds of thousands of refugees, but if youre going to reject them , don't complain when they go to the one place they feel they can go to, and thats their former home.
so they were there, whats your point? if history doesn't matter, they had no more right to be there, than anybody else, after all , the Arabs themselves simply replaced the former rulers of the land , the Byzantine Romans, who replaced the Jews, if history is simply random , then nobody has a right to live anywhere, its as simple as that.
either history is important (because it is the basis for everything) , or not important, you can't have both.
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