This is another common issue with our economy, and national security among other things. Some of the solutions below were stated by other politicians. Should we focus more on deporting illegals? Should we make the immigration tests easier? Should we make the Immigration tests harder? Should we let in people that won't even half-way attempt english? Should we allow immigrants to have temporary control of business? Should we allow parents, even if entered illegally, have instant citizen ship if: a) the child was born in the country b)The child was raised in the country for X amount of time. Should we deport illegals that have been in the country for years? Personally, I am still weighing out the options, but there is a difference between breaking into the country and going through, whether to gain help from a country in trouble, or just to be in a place where there are large opprotunities(which is not as accurate as it was years ago.) IN MY OPINION, we should deport those that come here illegally because if we reward them, than what's the point of going through the legal system to get citizen ship? That makes no sense. As for the other issues, I am still looking into, and maybe you people have some solutions I could look at.
If only I had just went out and had a bunch of babies it wouldn't have taken over 4 years to get a permanent resident card for the states. It's almost like they don't want skilled workers moving there.
If only I had just went out and had a bunch of babies it wouldn't have taken over 4 years to get a permanent resident card for the states. It's almost like they don't want skilled workers moving there.
slimjimbadboy
That seems like a poor defense for breaking into something though,
I am not sure. I am on the fence on this issue. I sort of think we should grant amnesty so they can start paying taxes and supporting our government and ect... I do think a lot of the time its the companies fault for hiring illegal immigrants. We should start with harsher punishments for people who hire illegals immigrants (I think).
What ever we do, we should not allow anyone here illegally to have a pathway to citizenship one way or the other without them leaving. The Us granted "amnesty" to illegals years ago and it just sent a message to those here now that if they break our laws by entering the country without going through the proper channels, nothing will happen to them and they will eventually get to be US citizens. Well, that is BS and if they cannot come here properly, then they do not deserve citizenship no matter why they are here.
If only I had just went out and had a bunch of babies it wouldn't have taken over 4 years to get a permanent resident card for the states. It's almost like they don't want skilled workers moving there.
Canon-Gatorade
That seems like a poor defense for breaking into something though,
Not going to lie, I didn't read the OP. Just wanted to point out that it's much harder for legitimate cases to enter and live in the states as oppose to doing illegally. I lived in the states under school/work visas prior to the green card if that's what you were referring to in quote.
Shooting illegal immagrants on site would probably do something. It would be terribly inhumane and awful, but it would help control illegal immagration.
What ever we do, we should not allow anyone here illegally to have a pathway to citizenship one way or the other without them leaving. The Us granted "amnesty" to illegals years ago and it just sent a message to those here now that if they break our laws by entering the country without going through the proper channels, nothing will happen to them and they will eventually get to be US citizens. Well, that is BS and if they cannot come here properly, then they do not deserve citizenship no matter why they are here.WhiteKnight77
What about the ones that are illegal that have been here for years? I am in the minority here, but I think those who come out admitting they are illegal, like there was a CNN thing where they came out because they want there parents and think they should be legal citizens because they are like 14-16 years old illegal in the country, I think all those should be kicked out. You have been taking away resources for years, and you want relatives of yours to be instant citizens because of it?
AS FOR THOSE BEING LEGAL, THERE ARE ALREADY PROCESSES YOU'D NEED TO GO THROUGH, PASS THAT, AND BAM, U.S CITIZEN
NEWMAHAY
shooting an illegal = murder How about the shooting the lawbreakers as they run around the fence at legal border crossings (yeah, they do this too)? I am also for planting mine fields across the southern border, 300 yards deep. Some would be pressure mines, others would be pressure release mines.
Either way, we shouldn't give out blanket amnesty. It sets an extremely bad precedent and it's immoral. We can't reward criminal behavior, and we can't punish those who weren't responsible for their parents actions.
Either way, we shouldn't give out blanket amnesty. It sets an extremely bad precedent and it's immoral. We can't reward criminal behavior, and we can't punish those who weren't responsible for their parents actions.
airshocker
We can't punish those who weren't responsible for their pareants actions? So like that CNN thing, if they have been in the country illegally for years, and come out wanting to gain citizen ship immediately and asking for their parents as well, we should just give it to them? I may be in the minority but that does not make any sense to me, not only because those kids who are now teenagers plus were snuck in, but they have been occupying space and contributing to the consumtion of resources legal citizens should have the right to get and more. Yes they should be punished of they don't come out and state it when they are ABLE to asap. If you are in a situation where you can be honest, and you don't, that makes no sense at any logical angle.
We can't punish those who weren't responsible for their pareants actions? So like that CNN thing, if they have been in the country illegally for years, and come out wanting to gain citizen ship immediately and asking for their parents as well, we should just give it to them? I may be in the minority but that does not make any sense to me, not only because those kids who are now teenagers plus were snuck in, but they have been occupying space and contributing to the consumtion of resources legal citizens should have the right to get and more. Yes they should be punished of they don't come out and state it when they are ABLE to asap. If you are in a situation where you can be honest, and you don't, that makes no sense at any logical angle.Canon-Gatorade
I fail to see how you got any of that from my statement.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]What ever we do, we should not allow anyone here illegally to have a pathway to citizenship one way or the other without them leaving. The Us granted "amnesty" to illegals years ago and it just sent a message to those here now that if they break our laws by entering the country without going through the proper channels, nothing will happen to them and they will eventually get to be US citizens. Well, that is BS and if they cannot come here properly, then they do not deserve citizenship no matter why they are here.Canon-Gatorade
What about the ones that are illegal that have been here for years? I am in the minority here, but I think those who come out admitting they are illegal, like there was a CNN thing where they came out because they want there parents and think they should be legal citizens because they are like 14-16 years old illegal in the country, I think all those should be kicked out. You have been taking away resources for years, and you want relatives of yours to be instant citizens because of it? No matter how long in they have been in the country, they are lawbreakers and they do not deserve citizenship awarded to them due to the fact that they have been here 16 or so years.
If the state would open borders and stop funding welfare programs that they (among others) abuse then we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants at all.
[QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]What ever we do, we should not allow anyone here illegally to have a pathway to citizenship one way or the other without them leaving. The Us granted "amnesty" to illegals years ago and it just sent a message to those here now that if they break our laws by entering the country without going through the proper channels, nothing will happen to them and they will eventually get to be US citizens. Well, that is BS and if they cannot come here properly, then they do not deserve citizenship no matter why they are here.WhiteKnight77
What about the ones that are illegal that have been here for years? I am in the minority here, but I think those who come out admitting they are illegal, like there was a CNN thing where they came out because they want there parents and think they should be legal citizens because they are like 14-16 years old illegal in the country, I think all those should be kicked out. You have been taking away resources for years, and you want relatives of yours to be instant citizens because of it? No matter how long in they have been in the country, they are lawbreakers and they do not deserve citizenship awarded to them due to the fact that they have been here 16 or so years. But like I said, we are in the minority, and I am not sure if there is a compromise, unless you know one I can't think of.
If the state would open borders and stop funding welfare programs that they (among others) abuse then we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants at all.Laihendi
Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen?
If the state would open borders and stop funding welfare programs that they (among others) abuse then we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants at all.Laihendi
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]If the state would open borders and stop funding welfare programs that they (among others) abuse then we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants at all.Canon-Gatorade
Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen? Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay.
[QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]If the state would open borders and stop funding welfare programs that they (among others) abuse then we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants at all.Laihendi
Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen? Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay. I am talking the other part of the welfare programs.
[QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]If the state would open borders and stop funding welfare programs that they (among others) abuse then we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants at all.Laihendi
Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen? Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay.so those people should just die if they need help?
[QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"] Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen? Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay. I am talking the other part of the welfare programs. Other welfare programs such as medicaid and public education are problematic with regards to immigrants because immigrants generally come here without any money or high paying job so they are not paying much in taxes even if/when they do become citizens. This lowers the quality of healthcare and education in this country because it increases the amount of people benefiting from these programs without adequately contributing to them.
Have them participate in a competition. If they do well, they get to stay. If they do poorly they get shipped back to their country of birth in a plane full of chickens.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay. I am talking the other part of the welfare programs. Other welfare programs such as medicaid and public education are problematic with regards to immigrants because immigrants generally come here without any money or high paying job so they are not paying much in taxes even if/when they do become citizens. This lowers the quality of healthcare and education in this country because it increases the amount of people benefiting from these programs without adequately contributing to them. What about EBT, food stamps, and those other ones?
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"] Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen?MakeMeaSammitch
Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay.so those people should just die if they need help? If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"] Is getting welfare really that simple for the average citizen?MakeMeaSammitch
Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay.so those people should just die if they need help? I don't know why, but I laughed when I read this. I think that should still be kept as long as they aren't helping some illegal homicidal maniac, which luckily there are not too many of those.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay.Laihendi
so those people should just die if they need help? If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes because hospitals are forced by law to serve people even if they don't pay.Laihendi
so those people should just die if they need help? If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.If you're that selfish of a person, then your opinion doesn't matter.
[QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"] I am talking the other part of the welfare programs. Other welfare programs such as medicaid and public education are problematic with regards to immigrants because immigrants generally come here without any money or high paying job so they are not paying much in taxes even if/when they do become citizens. This lowers the quality of healthcare and education in this country because it increases the amount of people benefiting from these programs without adequately contributing to them. What about EBT, food stamps, and those other ones? Those are all government enforced theft. That establishes the principle that the government is allowed to take money from one man and spend it on whatever it think it should be spent on. That is immoral and destructive, because it denies the individual property rights and forces him to obey a violent government that is threatening him at the point of a gun.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]so those people should just die if they need help?
MakeMeaSammitch
If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.If you're that selfish of a person, then your opinion doesn't matter. If you can't refute a statement, then your negative opinion of that statement does not matter.
[QUOTE="Canon-Gatorade"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"] No matter how long in they have been in the country, they are lawbreakers and they do not deserve citizenship awarded to them due to the fact that they have been here 16 or so years. But like I said, we are in the minority, and I am not sure if there is a compromise, unless you know one I can't think of. There is no compromise. If you are an illegal here, you do not get to become a citizen nor should get any type of amnesty to become one or at least a "legal" resident.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]so those people should just die if they need help?
Guybrush_3
If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
Lai ignores questions in which he knows that he's boxed in.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]so those people should just die if they need help?
Guybrush_3
If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.Laihendi
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government. Contradictory answer.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.Laihendi
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.I sincerely hope that you get cancer and can't afford chemo treatment.
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
MakeMeaSammitch
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.I sincerely hope that you get cancer and can't afford chemo treatment.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.DroidPhysX
I sincerely hope that you get cancer and can't afford chemo treatment.
ultimate irony.
also, you don't work, you don't pay taxes.
He can leech off his parents, brobut that would contradict his whole personal responsiblity ideals.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.Laihendi
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government. That looks an awful lot like a "yes" to me.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you are concerned about people dying from lack of adequate medical care then feel free to start a charity organization to address that problem. Your bleeding heart liberal agenda is not an excuse to steal my money. If you want to help someone then you do it. I should not be forced to help a stranger. I should be able to keep my money to help myself and those who are important to me.Laihendi
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.
Your answer doesn't make sense you say no but then you make it sound like yes they should be left to die.
If someone breaks into your house, you don't offer them a sandwich and a place to stay. I say total lock-down of the border, and anyone who can't produce papers be deported immediately. If they won't go, DHS has 1.6 billion rounds that can be put to use. They are clearly breaking the law. Would a American citizen get a free pass breaking the law in another country? HELL NO!
If they want to learn English, are a hard worker, pay taxes, and go through the process like everyone else, I'm all for it. But for them to come over and demand a free ride is outrageous.
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
Guybrush_3
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.
Your answer doesn't make sense you say no but then you make it sound like yes they should be left to die.
You are creating a false dilemma. A person doesn't have to receive socialized medicine or die. You are showing an obvious statist bias.
It's a yes or no question. Do you think that people should be left to die if they can't pay or don't have insurance?
MakeMeaSammitch
No, I think they should be left to take responsibility for their own lives or find someone who will help them without being threatened at gunpoint by the government.I sincerely hope that you get cancer and can't afford chemo treatment.
ultimate irony.
also, you don't work, you don't pay taxes.
It is ironic that you consider me to be an awful person and you to be a good person, when you are the one hoping for others to die of cancer whereas I do not wish harm on anyone. I don't think this is even the first time you have said something like this.
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