US White-Black wealth gap worse than apartheid South Africa

Many of the erroneous conclusions made about a general population may be the result of sheer ignorance; see: too much tv. However, I don't believe that the ones who constantly profess the depravity of a certain group are that ignorant. Some of these folks have demonstrated their capacity to approach an important subject or issue in a sound, competent and analytical fashion, yet completely abandon this analytical standard as it applies to certain groups. So I think it's reasonable to assume that those who routinely advertise bigotry toward others are motivated by more than just mere ignorance.

Still waiting for someone to show a shred of evidence that this is a racial issue and not in fact just an issue of there being a lack of opportunities for poor communities.

Whose alt are you? Think before you post, I am not White or rich and surely not privileged. Stop forcing your world view on others, anybody can make it in America regardless of race and if you lived here you know that. Race has zero to do with the first for of your "points" and the 5th is laughable as immigrants make it here all the time, some of our biggest companies were founded by immigrants. Race is meaningless as is gender for the most part. I would suggest you do your homework before you rant.

FYI: A poor white kid in the south or detroit would have trouble, just as much as any poor black kid. Stop overstating race.

So....... You got zero to say to back up your comments? Anything?

@Grimdalus said:

@jooky1169 said:

It's no ones fault but your own if you don't succeed in life. Your choices are what put you where you are. How can you blame an entire race for your life not turning out like you wanted? I had a lot of white and black friends throughout school. Most were very smart. Some of them went somewhere in life and some didn't. I have friends who were very smart that ended up being criminals. Both black and white. They made the choice to live that way. It's no one else's fault but their own.

I think the image should speak for itself.

Not only did you assume all white people only got rich off the backs of blacks (which is false) but you assumed Black people can't rise without the help of a white man (which is also false). You can make it in America without the help of a white man you know.

@LostProphetFLCL You won't find any evidence, because there is none. There is lots of things that lead to poverty, but it's just easier to focus on race and assume that's the only one. Take everything at face value.

It is indeed an economic issue.....

Apart from the link I posted with several graphs and research from washington post?.

Meanwhile you havn't refuted any of it with your own citation.

I'll take that as a no. You have yet to explain why that means what you are claiming it does or why it's even relevant here. Burden of proof is on you, not me.

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@TheWalkingGhost: He posted data about how disproportionately blacks are arrested compared to whites and linked that to the Drug War specifically during Reagan. Reagan is known for upping the drug war due to the crack epidemic in the 80's and since crack is known as the "poor" drug the low income communities got hit the hardest and these poor communities were very often majority African American. Reagan also introduced mandatory minimum sentencing for drug related offenses, another policy that unfairly targeted African Americans.

Why the hell couldn't the other dude say all this? Even though what Reagan did is mostly economic not racially motivated. Weed is largely becoming legal now, but more study needs to be done in order to find out why the gap exists. It may not be racial at all.

Because posting the actual study isn't proof:

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

TLDR: Whites smoke pot just as much. But Blacks get charged with possession 4x as much. You're probably thinking more violence is involved, it's not. Read the study.

I think it is more a cultural issue rather than a race issue. Heck, the Asians in North America didn't exactly have it any easier than the Blacks for most of our history, yet they had a culture that emphasized hard work and success, and they achieved it by and large. You can blame the white man for overarching societal trends all you want, but in the end, it always comes down to individual choice. It's a choice to drop out of school, it's a choice to join a gang, it's a choice to leave your family, it's a choice to commit a crime. And unfortunately, it appears black communities seem to ignore or even advocate these choices. It's easy to say, "well, they grew up in poverty, they had no choice", but they do. I have known dozens of people who grew up in poverty, but they worked hard to improve their situation and do better for their children. Are there racist individuals and polices? Most definitely. But things will never improve for the black communities until they take responsibility for their people and their actions, and strive to do better, not just blame others for their misfortune.

@Grimdalus said:

@jooky1169 said:

It's no ones fault but your own if you don't succeed in life. Your choices are what put you where you are. How can you blame an entire race for your life not turning out like you wanted? I had a lot of white and black friends throughout school. Most were very smart. Some of them went somewhere in life and some didn't. I have friends who were very smart that ended up being criminals. Both black and white. They made the choice to live that way. It's no one else's fault but their own.

I think the image should speak for itself.

Wasn't it something like 1% of white people actually owned slaves?

I accuse the creator of this to be historically illiterate and racist against white people.

Read what Aljosa23 said and get back to me. You know what, forget it. You are never going to explain why this is relevant here, how this relates to what the other said and how this is "destroying" black communities, much less how this is racially motivated or give an idea of why this is the way it is. You are just going to post a random study and not clarify why you are even posting it.

Also... LMFAO!!! You expect anybody to read a 130 page study? HAHA!! Try writing some bullet points to illustrate a point because NOBODY is going to read all that. Make one bullet point why you are even posting it and why should I care. PROTIP: The longer the thing is, the less likely people online will read it. Keep it short and to the point and highlight the relevant info and why it is relevant. You haven't done that so far. But I am done here.

@redstorm72: My problem is you are acting like black americans HAVE not worked hard since they have been in america.

When black americans would acquire wealth back in the 20th century it was always destroyed by angry mobs of white protesters. I mean this is in the history books man, I really hate when people like you assume that black people don't work hard and are complaining. We get judged by the actions of a few. If one black man is a criminal then the next 10 are criminals as well.

Of course they are choices but all choices happen due to external and internal forces. Did you ever stop and think why people drop out of school, join a gang, leave their family, or commit a crime? It's because their current situation is so shitty that staying in it is an even worse option than resorting to those awful things - that's the entire problem. I know it's easy to say "just work hard and improve your situation" but when you've been poor your entire life that's the only life you've lived, you don't know anything else, that fucks up your entire perception of the world and traps you in a vicious cycle.

Even if one is absolutely willing to better their life, how the heck do you go about that? Digging yourself out of a hole is a million times harder than you make it seem. Having no meaningful education because you live in the ghetto, well, can't look for a better job than your minimum wage at McDonald's now. Got kids to take care of and you can't find/afford a babysitter? Well shit, guess you can't get that GED or college degree you need for that better job. Don't have insurance? Better hope that you don't get sick or your car breaks down, and so on and so forth. There are hundreds of these little hurdles that prevent those living in poverty to better their situation and it wouldn't hurt to have a little compassion.

Keep in mind I am not talking about blacks only, that is a far more complex issue than posts in this thread seem to think - I am talking about poverty in general. I will say this thread is sad and the posts here indicate how the poor in general are still dehumanized by the general population.

@Aljosa23: mhm

This post wins right here.

It is not a race issue. It is an issue of the lack of opportunities for the poor.

Moving up on the social ladder gets harder and harder every year and that needs to change.

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

@Grimdalus said:

@jooky1169 said:

It's no ones fault but your own if you don't succeed in life. Your choices are what put you where you are. How can you blame an entire race for your life not turning out like you wanted? I had a lot of white and black friends throughout school. Most were very smart. Some of them went somewhere in life and some didn't. I have friends who were very smart that ended up being criminals. Both black and white. They made the choice to live that way. It's no one else's fault but their own.

I think the image should speak for itself.

Wasn't it something like 1% of white people actually owned slaves?

I accuse the creator of this to be historically illiterate and racist against white people.

Racism against white people doesn't exist. It is a fallacy.

You actually assume I am an alt, maybe you should think before you post. Race has serious impact on how you are treated in America, denying that it does not have an impact is the very nature of ignorance and it shows that you do not understand the social mobility problems black people face in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility

Here are some sources that highlights that highlights America is a racist country:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/08/22/fergusons-racial-problems-are-not-unique-to-ferguson

http://www.marxisthistory.org/history/usa/groups/abb/1918/0900-briggs-amraceproblem.pdf

I have done my homework. Also, I am not forcing my views on others, I am combating liberalism. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_03.htm

I am unsure whether you think that racism is natural because it is not or you naturally agree with my comment. Sorry but one word posts are very vague. I leave you a quote by Nelson Mandela in case you believe in the first instance.

@Grimdalus said:

@InEMplease said:

@Grimdalus: Naturally.

I am unsure whether you think that racism is natural because it is not or you naturally agree with my comment. Sorry but one word posts are very vague. I leave you a quote by Nelson Mandela in case you believe in the first instance.

actually studies have shown that babies are prejudiced against other races and hilariously ugly parents.

Waste of text. If they were sincere, they'd look this stuff up on their own.