Unbiased State of the Union discussion?

Ok, I can do this, I can keep my opinions from detering from the discussion. What did you guys think? Not too much controversy, he confronted congress a little bit, talked a lot about how he is bringing jobs back, but he seemed strong. I think he did a good job, he looked strong and he made some strong points (we'll see if anyone listens). So, OT, what say you?

[spoiler] Gingrich is a terrible person! Did I just blow it mods? [/spoiler]

There are some things I agree with like no more bailouts and more importantly, a more efficient government. I'm not sure about his policy towards Iran, though.

I'd possibly think he did a good job with all the promises he made, but we've seen what happened with his promises enough that I am unwilling to believe him.

Not to get too off-topic, but

Romney is a tool! nocoolnamejim

Like I said in the other thread. Ban insider trading by members of Congress. Why is this not a law. Give it a straight up or down vote and lets see where everyone stands.

I'd possibly think he did a good job with all the promises he made, but we've seen what happened with his promises enough that I am unwilling to believe him.

Bloodaxe726

Well to me I feel like the big thing is whether or not congress will listen. The President can only suggest laws, which is what he did. Its one of the checks and balences. So the big thing is whether or not the parties and Joe Lieberman (Independant!) can get together and draft the laws he asked so politely for.

It's an election year, full of promises he will most likely not achieve or keep. America is a false democracy ruled by those with the largest pocketbooks and sharpest lobbyists.

Good speech. But speeches do not make a country whole.

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I'd possibly think he did a good job with all the promises he made, but we've seen what happened with his promises enough that I am unwilling to believe him.

RandomWinner

Well to me I feel like the big thing is whether or not congress will listen. The President can only suggest laws, which is what he did. Its one of the checks and balences. So the big thing is whether or not the parties and Joe Lieberman (Independant!) can get together and draft the laws he asked so politely for.

He also lost any ounce of respect I had for him by signing the NDAA.

My personal opinion.

I think he will not follow through with anything he said. 4 years is enough of this guy.

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[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]

I'd possibly think he did a good job with all the promises he made, but we've seen what happened with his promises enough that I am unwilling to believe him.

Bloodaxe726

Well to me I feel like the big thing is whether or not congress will listen. The President can only suggest laws, which is what he did. Its one of the checks and balences. So the big thing is whether or not the parties and Joe Lieberman (Independant!) can get together and draft the laws he asked so politely for.

He also lost any ounce of respect I had for him by signing the NDAA.

America the police state has been here for quite some time now. The NDAA only serves to strengthen the status quo.

Not to get too off-topic, but [QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Romney is a tool! BranKetra

Not to sound biased but they are both Washington outsiders. They shouldn't accuse eachother of anything but.

:P

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[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]

I'd possibly think he did a good job with all the promises he made, but we've seen what happened with his promises enough that I am unwilling to believe him.

Well to me I feel like the big thing is whether or not congress will listen. The President can only suggest laws, which is what he did. Its one of the checks and balences. So the big thing is whether or not the parties and Joe Lieberman (Independant!) can get together and draft the laws he asked so politely for.

He also lost any ounce of respect I had for him by signing the NDAA.

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Not to get too off-topic, but [QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Romney is a tool! RandomWinner

Not to sound biased but they are both Washington outsiders. They shouldn't accuse eachother of anything but.

:P

Anyone watching the Republican Response thing? I would vote that guy in before any of the current candidates.ZumaJones07

Isn't this supposed to be unbiased? You just admitted your a Republican. Personally this man is making me tired.

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[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]

I'd possibly think he did a good job with all the promises he made, but we've seen what happened with his promises enough that I am unwilling to believe him.

Bloodaxe726

Well to me I feel like the big thing is whether or not congress will listen. The President can only suggest laws, which is what he did. Its one of the checks and balences. So the big thing is whether or not the parties and Joe Lieberman (Independant!) can get together and draft the laws he asked so politely for.

He also lost any ounce of respect I had for him by signing the NDAA.

That is the one that he "regrettably" signed right? If so the NDAA is a must pass law, but I agree with you. Its not something that he should have signed, because it really does make legal what we've been doing for the past decade by essentially suspending the fourth amendment. The fact that it got so few "nays" in congress is more despicable than anything in my opinion, but its a valid criticismof his recent policy.

If that's not the NDAA, then I have no idea what you're talking about and I'd be happy to listen to you to explain it to me.

My personal opinion.

I think he will not follow through with anything he said. 4 years is enough of this guy.

ristactionjakso

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]Anyone watching the Republican Response thing? I would vote that guy in before any of the current candidates.Banjo_Kongfooie

Isn't this supposed to be unbiased? You just admitted your a Republican. Personally this man is making me tired.

Lol, its a fair enough response (just like mine!), I lol'd when he said Obama's "trickle down" wasn't working. He did a good job aswell and he is better than Gingrich and Romney imo, but I'm pretty sure those aren't his words.

[quote="President Obama"] But in return, we need to change our tax code so that people like me, and an awful lot of Members of Congress, pay our fair share of taxes. Tax reform should follow the Buffett rule: If you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30 percent in taxes. And my Republican friend Tom Coburn is right: Washington should stop subsidizing millionaires. In fact, if you're earning a million dollars a year, you shouldn't get special tax subsidies or deductions. On the other hand, if you make under $250,000 a year, like 98 percent of American families, your taxes shouldn't go up. You're the ones struggling with rising costs and stagnant wages. You're the ones who need relief. Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense. We don't begrudge financial success in this country. We admire it. When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it's not because they envy the rich. It's because they understand that when I get tax breaks I don't need and the country can't afford, it either adds to the deficit, or somebody else has to make up the difference - like a senior on a fixed income; or a student trying to get through school; or a family trying to make ends meet. That's not right. Americans know it's not right. They know that this generation's success is only possible because past generations felt a responsibility to each other, and to their country's future, and they know our way of life will only endure if we feel that same sense of shared responsibility. That's how we'll reduce our deficit. That's an America built to last. Ace6301

Well you nailed what I was thinking.

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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]Anyone watching the Republican Response thing? I would vote that guy in before any of the current candidates.RandomWinner

Isn't this supposed to be unbiased? You just admitted your a Republican. Personally this man is making me tired.

Lol, its a fair enough response (just like mine!), I lol'd when he said Obama's "trickle down" wasn't working. He did a good job aswell and he is better than Gingrich and Romney imo, but I'm pretty sure those aren't his words.

He started off praising Obama and then bashed him and the "senate democrats" later in the speech. Being better than those two is nothing to be proud of.

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My personal opinion.

I think he will not follow through with anything he said. 4 years is enough of this guy.

wolverine4262

Exactly the Republicans keep stopping everything. Mitch McConnell said his main goal is to make President Obama a 1 term president.

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Isn't this supposed to be unbiased? You just admitted your a Republican. Personally this man is making me tired.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Lol, its a fair enough response (just like mine!), I lol'd when he said Obama's "trickle down" wasn't working. He did a good job aswell and he is better than Gingrich and Romney imo, but I'm pretty sure those aren't his words.

He started off praising Obama and then bashed him and the "senate democrats" later in the speech. Being better than those two is nothing to be proud of.

Now I'm not allowed to be passionate because I'm the TC, but he's better than the two potential nominees (Paul doesn't have a shot if we're being honest). What you percieve as how I really see the three of them will not be found here. I must be unbiased. Fair and Balenced like a Fox news corespondent.

I love Obama's speech writer.CajunMadePunk

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"] You do realize that Congress has to act on pretty much everything he said, right? Its not about him following through at all...Banjo_Kongfooie

Exactly the Republicans keep stopping everything. Mitch McConnell said his main goal is to make President Obama a 1 term president.

I love Obama's speech writer.CajunMadePunk

[QUOTE="CajunMadePunk"]I love Obama's speech writer.ZumaJones07

Unbiased statement:

Addressing the nation in his State of the Union speech, President Barack Obama openly declared war on what remains of this free, but fledgling, society.

He told people what they wanted to hear.

Unbiased statement:

Addressing the nation in his State of the Union speech, President Barack Obama openly declared war on what remains of this free, but fledgling, society.

coolbeans90

No sir, that is the pinacle of the truthiness.

Obama is a great president.

...he just needs a better @#$%ing congress.

I'm glad to see tax inequality back in the spot light.

I find it interesting that the GOP frontrunners for the presidential election are putting Mitt Romney under the bus for paying only 13.9% in taxes in 2010. So you have to wonder, what stances is the GOP going to take towards tax code evasions that they refused to close back in the August budget talks.

I really liked how he said "washington is broken". What truth... congress is a mess, the parties are ridiculous, it's out of control

Obama is a great president.

...he just needs a better @#$%ing congress.

Goyoshi12

So ******* true....

I liked the bit about not giving tax credits to buisnesses who move jobs overseas. I liked how they showed Eric Cantor not clapping for that proposal.

i had no idea this was even tonight. i only realized it when i walked into my local smoke shop and the owner was watching it on tv.

kind of sad, eh? :lol:

I like how he said Fvck the banks we are not bailing you out no more. Also for universities who can keep costs down will receive more money ad Universites who can not will receive no money. Also I like how he called out having foreigners come to the US to get a higher education and return to their country to work and develop new ideas. I tought it was a great speech he showed he was strong and is tired of Republicans and such Bi**** and nothing is getting done.

>Promise to not bail out banks after financial crisis ends

Funny guy.

The desparate words of a failing president. He fell back into his comfort zone of divide and conquer.

I'm glad to see tax inequality back in the spot light.

I find it interesting that the GOP frontrunners for the presidential election are putting Mitt Romney under the bus for paying only 13.9% in taxes in 2010. So you have to wonder, what stances is the GOP going to take towards tax code evasions that they refused to close back in the August budget talks.

Blue-Sky

Gop response is that 40% of americans dont pay income tax. While ignoring the regressive payroll tax in which the low income americans pay higher a percentage than the rich.

But thats their spiel.

Of course the problem with the income tax isnt that the working poor dont make high enough wages to qualify, but that they are enjoying the high life with luxuries like "food" and "shelter". Yachts aint cheap, people... someone's gotta pay for em, working poor seems as good a source as any.

Because investment income is like normal income..... The money the person earned already got taxed once. Taxing investment income is in effect double taxation. So, equating it to regular payroll income taxes is not a logical comparison......Mafiree

where did you hear this one?

private equity and hedge fund managers, have never been taxed on their income... but they are allowed to claim at capital gains rates.

if you make a million dollars a year, when you only had 10,000 how is that double taxation? or do you not understand tax policy? ill explain it because im nice.

EDIT: i saw bill o reilly, make the same lie.