UK Gunman shoots dead at least 12. 25 more injured.

Very shocking for us UK residents. Obviously whenever these incidents happen it's tragic, wherever they are, but here in the UK we pretty much never get mass killings or these sorts of incidents.

This happened this afternoon (2nd June) so bodies are still being found and the investigation is underway.

BBC source:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

CNN source:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/06/02/uk.england.shootings/index.html?hpt=T1

Sorry to hear.

Only in the UK...

Only in the UK...

Lto_thaG

Only in the UK...

Lto_thaG

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Only in the UK...

clayron

I seriously can't understand why people feel the need to go on killing sprees.

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

EDIT: I'm not presenting an opinion on gun ownership, just saying that this incident doesn't say anything about the issue of gun ownership.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

cjek

EDIT: I'm not presenting an opinion on gun ownership, just saying that this incident doesn't say anything about the issue of gun ownership.

Yes in the US it does... Many advocates of outlawing guns here use what has happened in the UK as an excuse to outlaw them... They say making them available leads to this type of thing... Well they are not easily available in the UK, yet it still happened...

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

T_P_O

Relevant to me as I own thousands of dollars in handguns...

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

Relevant to me as I own thousands of dollars in handguns...

[QUOTE="cjek"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

EDIT: I'm not presenting an opinion on gun ownership, just saying that this incident doesn't say anything about the issue of gun ownership.

Yes in the US it does... Many advocates of outlawing guns here use what has happened in the UK as an excuse to outlaw them... They say making them available leads to this type of thing... Well they are not easily available in the UK, yet it still happened...

[QUOTE="cjek"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

EDIT: I'm not presenting an opinion on gun ownership, just saying that this incident doesn't say anything about the issue of gun ownership.

Yes in the US it does... Many advocates of outlawing guns here use what has happened in the UK as an excuse to outlaw them... They say making them available leads to this type of thing... Well they are not easily available in the UK, yet it still happened...

[QUOTE="cjek"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

EDIT: I'm not presenting an opinion on gun ownership, just saying that this incident doesn't say anything about the issue of gun ownership.

Yes in the US it does... Many advocates of outlawing guns here use what has happened in the UK as an excuse to outlaw them... They say making them available leads to this type of thing... Well they are not easily available in the UK, yet it still happened...

Obviously. Gun laws don't stop psychopaths and criminals from obtaining guns, they only restrict access to honest and responsible citizens. I resent the gun laws here in Canada and I hope that Americans resist the idiots who want to impose the same kind of restrictions in the US.

On-topic: It's sad that this has happened. It really pisses me off when innocent people are shot for no apparent reason.

I seriously can't understand why people feel the need to go on killing sprees.

UbiquitousAeon

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="cjek"]

Sure, no weapons for self defence, but how often does this happen? 1996 was the last mass shooting.

EDIT: I'm not presenting an opinion on gun ownership, just saying that this incident doesn't say anything about the issue of gun ownership.

Tezcatlipoca666

Yes in the US it does... Many advocates of outlawing guns here use what has happened in the UK as an excuse to outlaw them... They say making them available leads to this type of thing... Well they are not easily available in the UK, yet it still happened...

Obviously. Gun laws don't stop psychopaths and criminals from obtaining guns, they only restrict access to honest and responsible citizens. I resent the gun laws here in Canada and I hope that Americans resist the idiots who want to impose the same kind of restrictions in the US.

On-topic: It's sad that this has happened. It really pisses me off when innocent people are shot for no apparent reason.

Then why are homicide rates in the US much higher than the other Western countries?

Guns in the UK?

I think he was using a shotgun though, shooting people point blank in the face I might add, and shotguns are legal here in the UK with the right licence, so the 'illegal to carry fire arms and it still happens' argument isn't that valid. MRblue45

This.

I don't think I can understand anyone who doesn'trealise areas were guns are more readily available have more homicides. I mean the last time this happened in the Uk was 14 years ago, it's far more common in the US.

[QUOTE="MRblue45"]I think he was using a shotgun though, shooting people point blank in the face I might add, and shotguns are legal here in the UK with the right licence, so the 'illegal to carry fire arms and it still happens' argument isn't that valid. MattDistillery

This.

I don't think I can understand anyone who doesn'trealise areas were guns are more readily available have more homicides. I mean the last time this happened in the Uk was 14 years ago, it's far more common in the US.

To be fair though, I think Switzerland has a low homicide rate.

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Yes in the US it does... Many advocates of outlawing guns here use what has happened in the UK as an excuse to outlaw them... They say making them available leads to this type of thing... Well they are not easily available in the UK, yet it still happened...

one_plum

Obviously. Gun laws don't stop psychopaths and criminals from obtaining guns, they only restrict access to honest and responsible citizens. I resent the gun laws here in Canada and I hope that Americans resist the idiots who want to impose the same kind of restrictions in the US.

On-topic: It's sad that this has happened. It really pisses me off when innocent people are shot for no apparent reason.

Then why are homicide rates in the US much higher than the other Western countries?

There is bound to be more violence in an unhealthy society. Most other Western countries take better care of their citizens and the wealth is generally more equally distributed. Sure restricting guns in an unhealthy society could perhaps reduce gun crime but working towards a better society is a far better goal that kills two birds with one stone.

The good life, as I conceive it, is a happy life. I do not mean that if you are good you will be happy - I mean that if you are happy you will be good.

-Bertrand Russell

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

Thats terrible, just saw this on BBC Look North right now.

So much for strict gun control, eh?

I seriously can't understand why people feel the need to go on killing sprees.

UbiquitousAeon

So much for strict gun control, eh?

dkrustyklown

Crazies who think they can take from others. Too bad some people are bad.

That's a bummer.

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

Not taking sides on the age old argument.. But your conclusion is not supported by the story.. No one suggested guns could be strickly gone within the region, but lessened? That could be a possibility.. No system is 100% fool proof, and regardless of the motion there will still have things like this happen.. Yet again not suggest I support the banning of guns (I am indifferent more along the lines adding regulations, but not banning of guns what so ever).

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

Obviously. Gun laws don't stop psychopaths and criminals from obtaining guns, they only restrict access to honest and responsible citizens. I resent the gun laws here in Canada and I hope that Americans resist the idiots who want to impose the same kind of restrictions in the US.

On-topic: It's sad that this has happened. It really pisses me off when innocent people are shot for no apparent reason.

Tezcatlipoca666

Then why are homicide rates in the US much higher than the other Western countries?

There is bound to be more violence in an unhealthy society. Most other Western countries take better care of their citizens and the wealth is generally more equally distributed. Sure restricting guns in an unhealthy society could perhaps reduce gun crime but working towards a better society is a far better goal that kills two birds with one stone.

A suggestion for conservatives then; either narrow the socioeconomic gap or tighten the gun laws. From the argument above, it seems like having none of the two is the reason why there's so much violence.

A mate of mine was working in a shop literally around the corner from the first killing in Whitehaven. He was told by the police to shut the shop and lock the doors. All this happening just a week after the 2 teenagers died in the school bus crash and after the serious floods last year. Stuff like this doesn't happen to quiet rural West Cumbria.

And this argument about the banning of guns. The fact firearms are illegal in Britain means this kind of thing only happens once every 20 years rather than an annual event.

A mate of mine was working in a shop literally around the corner from the first killing in Whitehaven. He was told by the police to shut the shop and lock the doors. All this happening just a week after the 2 teenagers died in the school bus crash and after the serious floods last year. Stuff like this doesn't happen to quiet rural West Cumbria.

And this argument about the banning of guns. The fact firearms are illegal in Britain means this kind of thing only happens once every 20 years rather than an annual event.

-Jonce-

I say, when will it end?:roll:

your title isn't the easiest to understand. The period almost makes it look like a decimal.

Gunman taxi driver shot and KILLED 12, and injured up to 30 more.

See... Outlawing guns and not selling them to people doesn't prevent people from getting and using them... So all you people who want to outlaw guns in the US... STFU... Maybe if one of those killed or injured was carrying he or she could have ended the ordeal right as it started... But no... No weapons for self defense in the UK.

Buttons1990

Wow that's bad.

"I've never known anything like this, where somebody would want to walk out and kill so many people in such a beautiful place in such a short space of time,"...lol..

Guns in the UK?

Former_Slacker

Yup, not all firearms are illegal. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but: Shotguns, powder revolvers, pre-1917 guns/historic weaponry, air rifles/pistols, sniper rifles, and bolt-action rifles are legal, but all require a licence.

Gun crimes in the UK are very rare. A lot of our violent crimes involve knives.

Guns aren't illegal in Britain just pistols getting a shotgun or rifle just means obtaining a license which you get off the police if you have a good enough reason either Farmer or in a shooting club and rural areas gun ownership is quite high