The reason why bad things happen to good people.

The reason bad things happen to "good" people.

So you are a nice person, you treat people nicely etc etc but..

You do bad things that you are probably not aware about, lets begin.

Firstly, we use plastic, we use oil for our transport, do you know where this oil comes from?

Alot of it comes at the expense of peoples lives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htF5XElMyGI

You know those clothes you wear? all those things you use daily? chinese made?
well, alot of those things are made by people who get paid a bowl of rice a day and are treated like slaves.

So you are finally going to marry that nice girl, obviously, she would need a ring, but what kind of ring?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMc7Rj_iWzQ

You know those mobile phones you use? All sorts of electronics?

some might come from this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruh0O_mj1v0

You know all those weapons that are being used? who do you think paid for all of that? yes, you did, if a man shoots another man with a weapon that you paid for, you are part guilty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8R7ls2_nk&feature=related

Porn, you know that hot chick taking her clothes off? yeah awsome isn't it? how do you know what condition she is in? what if she was forced to do what she did just to please you?

Well these are just a few things, there are many many more, the problem is we use these things without actually giving a crap where they came from and under what kind of circumstances.

Don't bash me, i too use these things, but its a realization i have to live with, and i have to live in ignorance or my life would be different, next time something bad happens to me, i won't go crying and blaming others for it, instead of being selfish pricks and wondering why our lives are so crap, put yourself in other peoples shoes and you will realize that you live your lives as if you were in heaven, compared to other people.

Now if you want to get religious and wonder why bad things happen to people who don't do bad things, like children then all i can say is Karma, it is the most logical law out of all the religions, regarding why good and bad things happen.

Satan always chooses plastic over paper?

I don't see this lasting long.

If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?jimmyjammer69

That occured to me, too.

If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?jimmyjammer69

And this is why Karma doesn't work. ;)

Bad things happen to all people, because... They do. Being a nice person doesn't stop bad people from harming you...

If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?jimmyjammer69

This is the smartest thing anyone has said ever EVER.

If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?jimmyjammer69

TC you better turn off your pc then, throw all your clothes away and stop watching porn! Now!

TC you better turn off your pc then, throw all your clothes away and stop watching porn! Now!

Teenaged

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?Mind_Mover

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?Oleg_Huzwog

This is the smartest thing anyone has said ever EVER.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?Mind_Mover

Yes it is? your argument is that bad things happen to people because they inevitably cause harm.

And why doesn't that let you off the hook? If the person deserves what happens to them, then that treatment is justified.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

TC you better turn off your pc then, throw all your clothes away and stop watching porn! Now!

Mind_Mover

b)Its a vile circle.

And lastly do you propose a solution or your opinion or is this thread just to show why bad things happen?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?Oleg_Huzwog

This is the smartest thing anyone has said ever EVER.

Wow, remind me never follow any type of recommendation from you. Although it was smart what jimmy said, thats hardly the smartest thing ever. Just show how little your standarts are :)

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

TC you better turn off your pc then, throw all your clothes away and stop watching porn! Now!

Teenaged

b)Its a vile circle.

And lastly do you propose a solution or your opinion or is this thread just to show why bad things happen?

Wow, remind me never follow any type of recommendation from you. Although it was smart what jimmy said, thats hardly the smartest thing ever. Just show how little your standarts are :)

Adrianstalker

??? Name one that's smarter. Go on, do it. Yeah, that's right - you can't.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?Adrianstalker

This is the smartest thing anyone has said ever EVER.

Wow, remind me never follow any type of recommendation from you. Although it was smart what jimmy said, thats hardly the smartest thing ever. Just show how little your standarts are :)

For Christ's sake, don't take everything so seriously...

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If it's all governed by karma, wouldn't that mean that those kids in the sweatshops and that girl being abused for our pleasure all deserved it in some way?_glatisant_

Yes it is? your argument is that bad things happen to people because they inevitably cause harm.

And why doesn't that let you off the hook? If the person deserves what happens to them, then that treatment is justified.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]Can't, i'm an ignorant **** who doesn't give a crap. Atleast i realize that.

Mind_Mover

b)Its a vile circle.

And lastly do you propose a solution or your opinion or is this thread just to show why bad things happen?

Anyway, if this thread is just why bad things happen, then I disagree because we have to consider our intentions (I never intended a child to work at the age of 5-6) our knowledge of these facts and the inevitability of them continuing to exist for some time even if efforts are made to extinguish them (child labour for instance). Nothing happens with the snap of my fingers.

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]Yeah, but that doesn't let you off the hook. Anyway, this whole thread isn't about Karma, so, you don't think i have a point or what?

Mind_Mover

Yes it is? your argument is that bad things happen to people because they inevitably cause harm.

And why doesn't that let you off the hook? If the person deserves what happens to them, then that treatment is justified.

But everything breaks down because the people they mistreated in a past life deserved the mistreatment. Can you really not see why this is problematic?

It is always interesting how when folks want to explain why things are the way they are the explanation so often intersects causes they're concerned with.... I think you're reaching a bit far there to explain why bad things happen.duxup

[QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]Wow, remind me never follow any type of recommendation from you. Although it was smart what jimmy said, thats hardly the smartest thing ever. Just show how little your standarts are :)

Oleg_Huzwog

??? Name one that's smarter. Go on, do it. Yeah, that's right - you can't.

Im starting to think you mean the smartest statement on this thread. Then I agree with it

If not, well, anything Bill Hicks had ever said is smarter than that :P

[QUOTE="duxup"]It is always interesting how when folks want to explain why things are the way they are the explanation so often intersects causes they're concerned with.... I think you're reaching a bit far there to explain why bad things happen.Mind_Mover

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

Yes it is? your argument is that bad things happen to people because they inevitably cause harm.

And why doesn't that let you off the hook? If the person deserves what happens to them, then that treatment is justified.

_glatisant_

But everything breaks down because the people they mistreated in a past life deserved the mistreatment. Can you really not see why this is problematic?

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]Indeed the treatment is justified, but the whole point of karma is just that, if those people who are being mistreated would have done good in the first place then none of that would be happening to them, so they have to reap what they sow, maybee those people in their "former" lives abused people that are in their exact situation, that is how karma works.

Mind_Mover

But everything breaks down because the people they mistreated in a past life deserved the mistreatment. Can you really not see why this is problematic?

I understand the concept of karma, yes, but I'm pointing out that any mistreatment is deserved, therefore there are no bad actions.This throws a spanner in the works.

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]It is always interesting how when folks want to explain why things are the way they are the explanation so often intersects causes they're concerned with.... I think you're reaching a bit far there to explain why bad things happen.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]What i'm trying to get across is to those who feel they don't deserve to have bad things happen to them, when infact they could be doing bad things to other without actually knowing.

Mind_Mover

No it isnt your fault to the point where you didnt know there was a slave worker doing the job. After you know it you share a portion of the responsibility, but just a portion lest we deem that the people who actually make those people slaves and made them work are not responsible at all.

We cant attribute full responsibility to us as the receivers of such "products", just in case an exaggerated stance will open people's eyes.

Ha. As if that is going to stop me from watching amateur porn

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]Wow, remind me never follow any type of recommendation from you. Although it was smart what jimmy said, thats hardly the smartest thing ever. Just show how little your standarts are :)

Adrianstalker

??? Name one that's smarter. Go on, do it. Yeah, that's right - you can't.

Im starting to think you mean the smartest statement on this thread. Then I agree with it

If not, well, anything Bill Hicks had ever said is smarter than that :P

I see you are unable to cite one that was smarter. Apology accepted.

Satan always chooses plastic over paper?

Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

But everything breaks down because the people they mistreated in a past life deserved the mistreatment. Can you really not see why this is problematic?

_glatisant_

I understand the concept of karma, yes, but I'm pointing out that any mistreatment is deserved, therefore there are no bad actions.This throws a spanner in the works.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Satan always chooses plastic over paper?

tofu-lion91

Ha. As if that is going to stop me from watching amateur porn

Nifty_Shark

i guess ignorance is bliss, but next time people shouldn't be so defensive when bad things happen to them.

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]No, the same is applied with good deeds and good results because of those deeds, understand?

Mind_Mover

I understand the concept of karma, yes, but I'm pointing out that any mistreatment is deserved, therefore there are no bad actions.This throws a spanner in the works.

You are completely ignoring my point. 1,Any mistreatment is deserved, so mistreating a person is good.

2, therefore there is no bad mistreatment,

3, so there is no negative karma, the argument breaks down.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Satan always chooses plastic over paper?

tofu-lion91

Or maybe he does and he accepts the fact that he's a bad person for doing so?

I on the contrary, stand freely and gloriously, displaying my goodness.

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"](RED) Doesnt that matter at all?

Teenaged

No it isnt your fault to the point where you didnt know there was a slave worker doing the job. After you know it you share a portion of the responsibility, but just a portion lest we deem that the people who actually make those people slaves and made them work are not responsible at all.

We cant attribute full responsibility to us as the receivers of such "products", just in case an exaggerated stance will open people's eyes.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]Yes it matters, what are trying to say? i'm trying to say that people probably don't know, but that is because of ignorance. I mean if i bought a diamond without knowing where it came from (because i have no interest) doesn't that make me ignorant? what if that diamond came from a slave worker, it is my fault he is doing slave work in the first place, isn't it?

Mind_Mover

No it isnt your fault to the point where you didnt know there was a slave worker doing the job. After you know it you share a portion of the responsibility, but just a portion lest we deem that the people who actually make those people slaves and made them work are not responsible at all.

We cant attribute full responsibility to us as the receivers of such "products", just in case an exaggerated stance will open people's eyes.

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

I understand the concept of karma, yes, but I'm pointing out that any mistreatment is deserved, therefore there are no bad actions.This throws a spanner in the works.

_glatisant_

You are completely ignoring my point. 1,Any mistreatment is deserved, so mistreating a person is good.

2, therefore there is no bad mistreatment,

3, so there is no negative karma, the argument breaks down.

Maybee you should read everything before making smartass comments like that O_OMind_Mover

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Theres a difference between stupid ignorance and simply not knowing or even imagining whats going on in regards to what we wear, what we use and so on.

No it isnt your fault to the point where you didnt know there was a slave worker doing the job. After you know it you share a portion of the responsibility, but just a portion lest we deem that the people who actually make those people slaves and made them work are not responsible at all.

We cant attribute full responsibility to us as the receivers of such "products", just in case an exaggerated stance will open people's eyes.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]Maybee you should read everything before making smartass comments like that O_Otofu-lion91

maybee you should come up with better comebacks?

It's kind of hard to avoid using those things though. cyberdarkkid

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]I want a diamond, i don't care how i get it i just want to get it, let the slave master do all the dirty work, at the end of the day, he does it becasue i want what he offers.

Mind_Mover

And besides can you explain to me how attributing fulll responsibility to the consumers is justified?