The earth may have two suns in 2012

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#1 MobilechicaneX
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So basically some star is going to supernova and it will be so bright that we will have two suns for a couple of weeks.

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"Earth could be getting a second sun, at least temporarily.

Dr. Brad Carter, Senior Lecturer of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, outlined the scenario to news.com.au. Betelgeuse, one of the night sky's brightest stars, is losing mass, indicating it is collapsing. It could run out of fuel and go super-nova at any time.

When that happens, for at least a few weeks, we'd see a second sun, Carter says. There may also be no night during that timeframe.

The Star Wars-esque scenario could happen by 2012, Carter says... or it could take longer. The explosion could also cause a neutron star or result in the formation of a black hole 1300 light years from Earth, reports news.com.au.

But doomsday sayers should be careful about speculation on this one. If the star does go super-nova, Earth will be showered with harmless particles, according to Carter. "They will flood through the Earth and bizarrely enough, even though the supernova we see visually will light up the night sky, 99 per cent of the energy in the supernova is released in these particles that will come through our bodies and through the Earth with absolutely no harm whatsoever," he told news.com.au.

In fact, a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth. According to Carter this "star stuff" makes up the universe. "It literally makes things like gold, silver - all the heavy elements - even things like uranium....a star like Betelgeuse is instantly forming for us all sorts of heavy elements and atoms that our own Earth and our own bodies have from long past supernovi," said Carter.

UPDATE: To clarify, the news.com.au article does not say a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth, but implies a supernova could be beneficial, stating, "Far from being a sign of the apocalypse, according to Dr Carter the supernova will provide Earth with elements necessary for survival and continuity."

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#2 RageQuit4Life
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Wait, you're trying to tell us that we will burns to death in 2012?!

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#3 MobilechicaneX
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Wait, you're trying to tell us that we will burns to death in 2012?!

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No, read the damn post.

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#4 gmaster456
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Thats Actually pretty cool.
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#5 kdawg88
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I'm pretty sure that was meant to happen back in 2010 - The Year We Make Contact.
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#6 Shad0ki11
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Is that the best the universe can do?! I say bring it on!

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#7 GabuEx
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Interesting. How long do supernovas take to burn out? (I.e., if we did have a second "sun", how long would it be up there?)

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#8 Cataclism
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It's just as likely to happen in 2012 as in 2112...

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#9 scorch-62
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Wrong. . . sort of. Beetlegeuse is expected to blow, but there's no indication of when. It could be tomorrow or it could be tens of thousands of years from now.
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#10 MobilechicaneX
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I'm pretty sure that was meant to happen back in 2010 - The Year We Make Contact.kdawg88

I swear some people comment before actually reading the OP.

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#11 Colin1192
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earth will be like... tatooine :o

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#12 entropyecho
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It'll be just like on Tatooine!!

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#13 entropyecho
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earth will be like... tatooine :o

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Curse your speed! :x

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#14 194197844077667059316682358889
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So he is presenting the exciting scenario that something is going to happen at some point, and decided to attach the year 2012 to it just for lulz and attention? This is why Australian physicists are the laughingstock of the science community. Well, not the sole reason
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How big of a supernova are we talking about here? Is it just going to be a star we can see during the day, or another ball of fire the size of a quarter?
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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

earth will be like... tatooine :o

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Curse your speed! :x

my fingers are too nimble for you

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#17 xsynth
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Wrong. . . sort of. Beetlegeuse is expected to blow, but there's no indication of when. It could be tomorrow or it could be tens of thousands of years from now.scorch-62
This, and if it only blows in the next year or two it will be a loooong time before we see it. Here's hoping it already has so we can see it in our lifetime. You will be able to see it during the day and apparently night will be very close to the same brightness as day. Should be visible for a couple weeks
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#18 curono
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Ill call bs this news. Seriously 2 suns coincidentally on the same year the MAYAN PROPHECY TOOK PLACE?? I think he is talking more than he should.
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#19 raynimrod
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How big of a supernova are we talking about here? Is it just going to be a star we can see during the day, or another ball of fire the size of a quarter?Head_of_games

Well apparently, large enough and bright enough for it to appear as another sun.

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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

earth will be like... tatooine :o

Curse your speed! :x

my fingers are too nimble for you

Sounds like fun.... [spoiler] The Supernova I mean [/spoiler]
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This, and if it only blows in the next year or two it will be a loooong time before we see it. Here's hoping it already has so we can see it in our lifetime. You will be able to see it during the day and apparently night will be very close to the same brightness as day. Should be visible for a couple weeksxsynth

Well everything scientists know about it is 1600 years old, so it's could be that the star already went supernova 0-1600 years ago.

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#22 Matthew-first
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Interesting. How long do supernovas take to burn out? (I.e., if we did have a second "sun", how long would it be up there?)

GabuEx


For sun it takes 8 min to get light to earth.. So if this Supernova just started.. and its 1300 light years from us... So i dont know.... I think it might be for a couple of years????

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Sounds like fun.... [spoiler] The Supernova I mean [/spoiler] -Big_Red-

Enlighten me as to what is so fun about a supernova

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#24 xsynth
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Enlighten me as to what is so fun about a supernova

Colin1192

It's a not often we get too see one this close and would be an amazing sight

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#25 legend26
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It'll be just like on Tatooine!!

entropyecho

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G8FqPBb2x9g/TK9NPYqdPEI/AAAAAAAAADs/9zhleo4xQLU/s1600/tatooine.jpg

YES! I can live my dream!

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#26 Ace6301
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No night would be kind of sad. Night is my favourite time of the day :\
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#27 xsynth
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[QUOTE="xsynth"]This, and if it only blows in the next year or two it will be a loooong time before we see it. Here's hoping it already has so we can see it in our lifetime. You will be able to see it during the day and apparently night will be very close to the same brightness as day. Should be visible for a couple weeksraynimrod

Well everything scientists know about it is 1600 years old, so it's could be that the star already went supernova 0-1600 years ago.

That's why I said I hope it already has :)
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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

Enlighten me as to what is so fun about a supernova

xsynth

It's a not often we get too see one this close and would be an amazing sight

dude if that happen earth will be wiped by the sun within a few seconds. But let's not come to conclusion, this is pseudoscience. General consensus is that the Sun is too small to become a supernova
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[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

earth will be like... tatooine :o

Colin1192

Curse your speed! :x

my fingers are too nimble for you

Actually the article was quicker than both of you.

"The Star Wars-esque scenario could happen by 2012, Carter says... or it could take longer"

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Sounds like fun.... [spoiler] The Supernova I mean [/spoiler] Colin1192

Enlighten me as to what is so fun about a supernova

Exactly what the user below you said. Plus 24 hours of sunlight. It's gonna be fun, and weird at the same time.
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#31 xsynth
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[QUOTE="xsynth"]

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

Enlighten me as to what is so fun about a supernova

Franko_3

It's a not often we get too see one this close and would be an amazing sight

dude if that happen earth will be wiped by the sun within a few seconds. But let's not come to conclusion, this is pseudoscience. General consensus is that the Sun is too small to become a supernova

It's not our sun goin super nova

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse

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#32 Franko_3
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[QUOTE="Franko_3"][QUOTE="xsynth"]

It's a not often we get too see one this close and would be an amazing sight

xsynth

dude if that happen earth will be wiped by the sun within a few seconds. But let's not come to conclusion, this is pseudoscience. General consensus is that the Sun is too small to become a supernova

It's not our sun goin super nova

I retract my comment and I am an idiot :oops:

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#33 xsynth
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[QUOTE="xsynth"][QUOTE="Franko_3"] dude if that happen earth will be wiped by the sun within a few seconds. But let's not come to conclusion, this is pseudoscience. General consensus is that the Sun is too small to become a supernova Franko_3

It's not our sun goin super nova

I retract my comment and I am an idiot :oops:

retraction approved :P
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[QUOTE="kdawg88"]I'm pretty sure that was meant to happen back in 2010 - The Year We Make Contact.MobilechicaneX

I swear some people comment before actually reading the OP.

Wow, that joke went right over your head, didn't it?

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[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

[QUOTE="kdawg88"]I'm pretty sure that was meant to happen back in 2010 - The Year We Make Contact.i_like_pie35

I swear some people comment before actually reading the OP.

Wow, that joke went right over your head, didn't it?

I don't blame the user, it's not a terribly popular film.
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#36 SolidSnake35
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Temporary 24 hour sunlight would be pretty cool. Might confuse the animals, though.
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If the star is 1300 light years away and still hasn't gone super nova, then how are we going to see the light of it from just a couple of years? I'm either missing something or they are saying that it is a possibility that it went super nova around 1300 years ago and the light could just now be getting to us. Which one is it?

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Get your sunblock ready.
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If the star is 1300 light years away and still hasn't gone super nova, then how are we going to see the light of it from just a couple of years? I'm either missing something or they are saying that it is a possibility that it went super nova around 1300 years ago and the light could just now be getting to us. Which one is it?

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The latter, simultaneity gets complicated on astronomical scales
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#40 xsynth
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If the star is 1300 light years away and still hasn't gone super nova, then how are we going to see the light of it from just a couple of years? I'm either missing something or they are saying that it is a possibility that it went super nova around 1300 years ago and the light could just now be getting to us. Which one is it?

hoola
They don't really know, just that it has signs that a supernova will occur. If it has still to blow, then yes we definitely won't be seeing this.
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[QUOTE="hoola"]

If the star is 1300 light years away and still hasn't gone super nova, then how are we going to see the light of it from just a couple of years? I'm either missing something or they are saying that it is a possibility that it went super nova around 1300 years ago and the light could just now be getting to us. Which one is it?

xsynth
They don't really know, just that it has signs that a supernova will occur. If it has still to blow, then yes we definitely won't be seeing this.

Of course, given the fact that we don't yet have models capable of narrowing this sort of thing down below an approximately one million year window, it's kind of sensationalist for this to be getting reported like this anyway. Then again, it could happen sooner if there are unusual dark energy fluctuations in Betelgeuse due to mass effect fields or something :P
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It would be pretty amazing to see if it happened in our lifetimes. A once-in-a lifetime event.
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#43 xsynth
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[QUOTE="xsynth"][QUOTE="hoola"]

If the star is 1300 light years away and still hasn't gone super nova, then how are we going to see the light of it from just a couple of years? I'm either missing something or they are saying that it is a possibility that it went super nova around 1300 years ago and the light could just now be getting to us. Which one is it?

xaos
They don't really know, just that it has signs that a supernova will occur. If it has still to blow, then yes we definitely won't be seeing this.

Of course, given the fact that we don't yet have models capable of narrowing this sort of thing down below an approximately one million year window, it's kind of sensationalist for this to be getting reported like this anyway. Then again, it could happen sooner if there are unusual dark energy fluctuations in Betelgeuse due to mass effect fields or something :P

If we all say it's name 3 times it might come
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#44 dunl12496
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Woah! Too bad for anyone who falls in a coma for that two weeks. And also I doubt it, every generation thinks that they're special.

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#45 Tauruslink
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I would love to be able to witness that! Imagine, we'd be the first humans in Earth's history to see such an event! It would be amazing! :o

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That sounds wicked awesome!

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#47 SteveTabernacle
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The connection to 2012 is tenuous at best, and exists only to get extra hits from paranoid people who still buy into the debunked 2012 Mayan calendar myths.
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If the star is 1300 light years away and still hasn't gone super nova, then how are we going to see the light of it from just a couple of years? I'm either missing something or they are saying that it is a possibility that it went super nova around 1300 years ago and the light could just now be getting to us. Which one is it?

hoola

Yes, you are missing something. That something is that all scientists know about Betelgeuse, they know because they look at it with their fancy telescopes. Which means that if scientists are observing it collapsing now, and Betelgeuse is about 600 light years from hearth, that means it actually collapsed 600 years ago. Which means it could already have gone boom but we don't know about it.

Your mistake is assuming that the light from the explosion takes time to reach us while assuming the light that's reaching us right now (and therefore allowing us to see it is collapsing) is somehow instantaneous.

From wikipedia: Because Betelgeuse is between 497 and 789 light years away from Earth, Betelgeuse may have already become a supernova centuries ago, but the light is still in transit.

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#49 DaJuicyMan
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What would the owls do?

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What would the owls do?

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Fail to deafen us with their incessant hooting