Terror attack UK

It was quiet for some time. Whats with these nut jobs, why can't there just be peace ?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/europe/london-uk-parliament-incident-latest/index.html

Apparently it was Trevor Brooks.

Yup, looks like him. Crazy.

People suck.

Our police are so poorly equipped, in general there not armed and dont wear any protective clothing

Article 50 can't be triggered quick enough...

Its nice and all for liberal leaning outlets, to showcase UK unarmed cops taking down knife welding attackers. And its always ideal to keep the suspect alive for questioning. But its a very dangerous task to do, with many variables that do not guarantee nothing will go wrong. And it cost a UK cop his life. A very unpleasant slow death at that.

This certainly comes off as a Nice France copy cat.

How much do you honestly believe that will help?

Awe man, that is sad. R.I.P cop man. Nice France ? Google time

$20 says this was done by a British citizen.

Keep in mind that terrorist attacks are very uncommon and when they do happen they still only make up a small amount of the overall crime of a country.

Police deaths are relatively uncommon in the UK, that's why events like this are so shocking. Don't let one off events cloud your judgement.

Seems it might not actually be him even though it looks like his twin brother

Eh? What stupidity lol.

Some people suck. Many of them just happen to be Islamic extremists these days.

Most people I know are great.

Atleast(I'm hoping it's the case) UK cops are better trained. US cops suck at deescalating a situation and sometimes racist. Probably makes it hard for good cops to do their job when there's no trust between them and the public

@KHAndAnime: I can't say most are Islamic extremist. I think domestic terrorist are more common. We get a lot here in the US. Majority of big incidents are caused by white shooters. Sometimes it's hate crime other times a mentally ill person snaps. I blame how our society is set up to make it harder for the lower working class to afford proper medical and mental healthcare

Very unfortunate and sad.

As others said.

People suck.

@Celsius765: More people have been killed by islamic terrorist then any terror group in the US.

@Quicksilver128: third world country problems. And frankly they can't be called Islamic anymore once they become a terrorist, it goes against their faith. And considering close and sometimes over 1000 people are killed each year in the US I rather doubt that many are dieing at the hands of Islamic terrorist especially given these sort of terrorist incidents don't happen as frequently.

And what's the "other" terror group? ALF? The KKK?

...give me a break...

fallacy of statistics

This is what I came here to say. Completely agree. Very sorry to hear about this.

But...

Yeah, I read he was in jail since January for leaving the UK (part of his jail sentence after getting out after a previous four-year stay), parole and such.

@Celsius765: You need to do a little more research on "Islam".

I wasn't really focusing on terrorist attacks. And didn't elaborate much about this being a terrorist attack. Death is only one reality cops face. With another other being injury. Potentially permanent disability at that.

What I'm getting at, is real life isn't The Matrix. Disarming an armed attacker, is dangerous work and not easy. Street fights are not regulated. Don't have things like weight classes. Or take place in controlled gym/arena like environments with flat padded surfaces. You make a mistake, there's no tapout, or a referee to separate fighters. What instead awaits you, is severe injury or death. And that's the reality I was trying to get across.

@mrbojangles25: You don't find it odd that such a small percentage of the population is responsible for the vast majority of these situations?

that's usually how stuff like this goes, man.

People are generally just minding there own business, but then there are outliers.

Most people don't make a lot of money, but then there's that 1% that controls like 99% of the world's wealth.

Most people aren't violent, but there's a select few that are abusive and make up for it.

As for muslims...islamic terrorists...fundamentalists...whatever we want to call them, whatever.

It just seems like they are doing a lot of damage. And, sure...they can and are. But relative to what? Gun crime? Drunk drivers? Crimes of passion? Regular old angry murder? Corporate neglect that leaks chemicals into the ground and causes cancer in children? I mean what makes them so special and worthy of so much attention, and all the other murder so ordinary? I am a lot more worried about the every day ordinary murder than the rare, exceptional fundamentalist terrorist murderer.

I'm really not trying to be political, mind you...liberal or conservative. I'm just asking what we should really be scared of.

@mrbojangles25: There is plenty of things to fear. I guess what annoys me is those who try so hard to act like its not that big of a deal. In the grand scheme of things the attack in London(although terribly sad) was pretty small. But this organization has the ideology and will to carry out a much larger attack. 9/11 was a perfect example of that and they would like nothing more to have something on that level. And there is this false delusion that a small percentage of the "Muslim" population supports this when in fact its much larger then people think.

@toast_burner: however our police are generally under equipped?

No protective clothing

Unarmed

At Westminster ?

A high security place and the police presence are so under equipped.

Our police force are generally well trained, however there not John McLane and they need better support.

I agree that better equipment may be required. Maybe I was misinterpreting him, but I got the impression he thinks all police should carry guns, I feel that would be a big mistake that will result in a lot of unneeded deaths.

@toast_burner: i do think a higher volume of our police force should be armed, especially if they are stationed in areas of high risk

I never really considered that perspective, that actually makes a lot of sense as to why people get even angrier when people "brush off" these attacks.

As someone who is often on the other side of the argument from you, it's never my intent to either minimize or even brush off attacks like this, or their result. I can see how they might be interpreted that way.

They ARE terrible, there IS NO excuse for them...but theres only thing worse, maybe, than a dozen people dying in a car bomb, and that is a nation being subjected to draconian laws as a result; random frisking, invasive security measures, Big Brother-esque government, and so forth.

Obviously we can't live in a 100% free or 100% secure society (which is why we debate :D ), but imo the worst thing we can do is give in to kneejerk reactions, specifically those of either extremely conservative or extremely liberal politicians or figures.

You know, because people on Jihad really care about trade agreements and what not.

Nope. Far-right terrorism consisting of the KKK, Timothy McVeigh, Tulsa race riots, and countless other incidents have killed more people in the US than Islamic terrorism.

@hillelslovak: jihad is a word meaning a personal struggle with faith and temptation stop using the way our country has twisted it into

The US just killed at least 30 Syrian civilians with an air strike (The New York Times). What am I saying? You should never admit fault. Damn them bastards to hell we did nothing to them! We just want peace!

BILLIONS spent on spying on all of us and, yet, it's ALWAYS the one's who're 'already known' to the police and security services!

I seen 2 vids today already on my face book page by links what some one put on saying sharia law coming to the UK. It already is in parts of muslim areas as there is a documentary and it was on the news not so long ago. Makes me angry that these can stay on facebook page but as soon as a white british person say something its removed. Its also been confirmed that it was Islamic State what did the attack.

@Quicksilver128: you need to do more research on our gun humping america. This country was founded in blood and even now it's still resisting change. 1000+ easily die each year from homicide, shot by police whether they were criminal or not,gun related accidents, and the popular mass murderers. Islam abandoner incidents don't happen as often as our mass shootings. Before Isis, and the San Bernardino shooting (does that count) the last major Islam extremist incident was 9/11 back in 2001. Meanwhile we've had roughly six+ mass shootings I can rember off the top of my head. There's also no telling how many have died at the hands of the kk and other hate groups in our country. And if you forget we live on stolen land. Millions of native Americans died before this country was formed. I can also only imagine how many people died because America had to stick their nose into the affairs of the middle east and all that just to get some oil. Our country is the what caused Isis to form so don't tell me Islam has killed more. This country is more lethal than anything out there. the fact we spend more money on military than any other country and rather cut funding on things that benefit our people proves it.

Every attack just unites more people against them. I hope one day I turn on the news and see the smouldering ruins of every terror group and their supporters.

@perfect_blue: Sorry, let me rephrase that. Over the last 50 years Islamic terrorist takes the cake. Its not even close. You would have to go back to the 1800s for the KKKs body count to hold a candle to what islamic terrorist have done.

@Celsius765: Do you honestly think the vast majority of people shot by police are innocent? Are you so gullable to believe that narrative? And what are you talking about the last major incident was 2001? Does the Orlando night club shooting no longer count? Should we take Europes approach? Just let them all in ? It seems they have a terror attack about every month. So you feel this country is more leathal then anything out there? Well it has the potential to be. But great civilisations were not built on hugs and kisses. And dont give me that shit about America creating ISIS. It doesn't matter if its Isis, Al Quaeda , Boko Haram or Hamas. Muslims have a history of terror that goes back far before the existence of America. Do a little rearch on the Kharijites or the Moors. Its been a part of their culture far before the west had anything to do with them. When their holy book has quotes such as..

"Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger even if they are of the People of the Book untill they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued."

Umm yea.. no thanks.

Well they are known to respect the law. Their interpretation of it. :P

The shooting at Ft. Hood along with the other at the military recruitment center don't count?

Odd that my home city gets attacked when I'm away on holiday. Strange feeling to be hearing about this from abroad. RIP to those killed, and get well soon to those injured.

Nothing would happen. Both of these things are not uncommon in Muslim countries. In fact, men holding hands is more common in Muslim countries than in Western countries.

@Solaryellow: you'll actually have to inform me on that I don't watch the news regularly so ai don't know about recent domestic terror attacks

@Quicksilver128: not really the potential to be, it already is more lethal. It's why I wish we never set foot in Iraq . Our government is so busy sticking their nose where it doesn't belong or starting a war for profit or resources it disgusting. And yes countries aren't built on hugs and kisses but that doesn't excuse all the blood spilled to form it. The European invasion of this land and other places across the sea is what killed the most people.....lol ok technically time has killed the most people. My point is don't go painting people as lethal when America has done so much harm. I think the issue here is we're so busy trying to throw Islam under the bus when our country and Christianity can be just as nasty or worst depending on who you're dealing with. I'm gonna end this by saying humans suck I guess and no matter where you go a trail of blood can be found. These days I really wish and hope we've modernized and become less barbaric but that day might never come