"Nothing is politically right that is morally wrong."

I agree to disagree with the agreement that disagrees with the mutual understanding of this issue.>_>Dracargen

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]I agree to disagree with the agreement that disagrees with the mutual understanding of this issue.>_>CptJSparrow

Why Kant folks speak plainly :( The notion of political right and wrong is pretty subjective; I consider right and wrong to be pretty much entirely in the purview of morality. In politics, I'd say efficacy and expediency are the more relevant metrics.xaos

You can't legislate morality....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="xaos"]Why Kant folks speak plainly :( The notion of political right and wrong is pretty subjective; I consider right and wrong to be pretty much entirely in the purview of morality. In politics, I'd say efficacy and expediency are the more relevant metrics.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....CptJSparrow

No. The laws we have in place are to protect the rights of the individuals. Morality wasn't/isn't the guiding factor in laws.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....LJS9502_basic

No. The laws we have in place are to protect the rights of the individuals. Morality wasn't/isn't the guiding factor in laws.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....LJS9502_basic

No. The laws we have in place are to protect the rights of the individuals. Morality wasn't/isn't the guiding factor in laws.

actually devote christians wrote the bill of rights are you sure they didn't look at the bible and their christian moral teachings to write it??

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....CptJSparrow

No. The laws we have in place are to protect the rights of the individuals. Morality wasn't/isn't the guiding factor in laws.

Have I missed something? I was under the impression that we were discussing not how things are legislated, but how things should be legislated.CptJSparrow

And I stated that they are not and should not be legislated on morality. What exactly could you have missed?

You can't legislate morality....LJS9502_basic

Yes, however, some have trouble even seperating law and morality.....not that is excuse...

Since we have determined that absolutism is untenable, then it seems that attempting to develop a universal morally-driven code of conduct is at best a dubious undertaking.xaos

And I stated that they are not and should not be legislated on morality. What exactly could you have missed?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="xaos"]Since we have determined that absolutism is untenable, then it seems that attempting to develop a universal morally-driven code of conduct is at best a dubious undertaking.CptJSparrow

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And I stated that they are not and should not be legislated on morality. What exactly could you have missed?

CptJSparrow

You misunderstood the use of the word can't.....

You misunderstood the use of the word can't.....

LJS9502_basic

Not always. Can't think of aynthing that everybody would get (plus I can't remember the name of the president who cleaned up the meat industry in the 1900's), but there's something.Video_Game_King

Topic:"Nothing is politically right that is morally wrong."

I believe politics both governs and is governed by collective moral values.

Moral values can change - sometimes the law changes to accomodate freedoms or legilates against invasions.

In those cases, there would be instances where your statement is true as political change follows moral guidence.

Examples (in the UK at least) are laws on homosexuality and the restriction of personal freedoms, covered by anti-terrorist laws.

Ultimately, personal morality is defined by subjective existence, so what people think about homosexuality or invasion of privacy could be seen as either morally good or bad.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Not always. Can't think of aynthing that everybody would get (plus I can't remember the name of the president who cleaned up the meat industry in the 1900's), but there's something.CptJSparrow

OK, that situation was both politically and morally right. How was it politically wrong?

OK, that situation was both politically and morally right. How was it politically wrong?

Video_Game_King

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OK, that situation was both politically and morally right. How was it politically wrong?

CptJSparrow

Self regulation doesn't usually work. Remember, factories had deplorable standards back in the 19th century, and didn't improve much until federal regulation, like workers benefits and child labor laws.

I'm a libertarian. That should say enough.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

OK, that situation was both politically and morally right. How was it politically wrong?

Video_Game_King

Self regulation doesn't usually work. Remember, factories had deplorable standards back in the 19th century, and didn't improve much until federal regulation, like workers benefits and child labor laws.

I disagree. Human ideas are simplistic fabrications used to explain life. Morrals don't actualy exsist. A lion that pities it's prey starves to death.RainandSunshine

[QUOTE="RainandSunshine"]I disagree. Human ideas are simplistic fabrications used to explain life. Morrals don't actualy exsist. A lion that pities it's prey starves to death.Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="RainandSunshine"]I disagree. Human ideas are simplistic fabrications used to explain life. Morrals don't actualy exsist. A lion that pities it's prey starves to death.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="RainandSunshine"]I disagree. Human ideas are simplistic fabrications used to explain life. Morrals don't actualy exsist. A lion that pities it's prey starves to death.Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="RainandSunshine"]I disagree. Human ideas are simplistic fabrications used to explain life. Morrals don't actualy exsist. A lion that pities it's prey starves to death.CptJSparrow

yes. Why? society can't function if murder is accepted as OK.
Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]yes. Why? society can't function if murder is accepted as OK.
CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....CptJSparrow

If this is the case then we should outlaw capitalism, because it itself is a immoral instiution..

Well I'm more of a libertarian than anything, so I don't like the idea of legislating morals. Would rather leave morals out of the entire "political" scene and stick to making laws and defending them based on personal rights and liberties, not wishy washy morals which aren't universal.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....sSubZerOo

If this is the case then we should outlaw capitalism, because it itself is a immoral instiution..

Some would argue Capitolism is inherently "moral". People may believe that an owner of a business is entitled to everybit of profit they make, and that it is immoral to take what is rightfully there's.

Just look at the impact Atlas shrugged has had on the world.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....Donkey_Puncher

If this is the case then we should outlaw capitalism, because it itself is a immoral instiution..

Some would argue Capitolism is inherently "moral". People may believe that an owner of a business is entitled to everybit of profit they make, and that it is immoral to take what is rightfully there's.

Just look at the impact Atlas shrugged has had on the world.

Capitalism is still immoral and dehumanizing.. You are still exploiting people for their goods and services/profits.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't legislate morality....sSubZerOo

If this is the case then we should outlaw capitalism, because it itself is a immoral instiution..

Some would argue Capitolism is inherently "moral". People may believe that an owner of a business is entitled to everybit of profit they make, and that it is immoral to take what is rightfully there's.

Just look at the impact Atlas shrugged has had on the world.

Capitalism is still immoral and dehumanizing.. You are still exploiting people for their goods and services/profits.

That's not universal, like I said people disagree on that subject. Just because you may view it as immoral doesn't mean another may not view it as completely moral.