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[QUOTE="achilles614"]And science has taught us that if you eat less you lose weight. I don't know ANY fat person that wouldn't lose weight if put on a 1500 kcal diet a day based around whole foods, I'll go further and say give them 2000kcal a day and add in strength training they'd still lose weight. I have no sympathy for the big ones, it's simple weight management. Personal trainers and bodybuilders definitely know a thing or two about that. But the average person trying to lose weight just wants to hear what's quick and easy, then rationalize their failure on genetics instead of poor programming.achilles614
And you sir are just a very poorly informed individual on this subject.Genetics DO play a HUGE role in weight. Sure there are definitely people out there who use this as a lame cop-out excuse, but the body does what it wants regardless of what YOU want it to do at times.
The best example of this is the REVERSE of the issue. Have you ever talked to anyone who was trying to GAIN weight?
I have. I have watched people stuff their faces in an attempt to gain weight to turn into muscle and guess what? Despite all their efforts to gain weight they are still sitting here over a year later having not gained anything.
Genetics DO play a major role, plain and simple. People who think otherwise and like to sit there trying to say to people who can't lose weight "just stop stuffing your face with twinky's fatty" are nothing more than sad individuals with such low self-esteem they feel the need to try to bring other people down to their level.
Oh boy. All your body wants to do is keep things the way it's used to, the way you've conditioned it with the amount of calories you consume daily.I actually know a lot about weight gain, I used to be a toothpick who could never gain a pound despite that old line of "Eating whatever I wanted" (which I later found simply wasn't the case skinny people usually don't eat nearly as much as they think) I was at one point 142lbs at 5'11".
I got over myself and my bad genetics and learned to eat right, I got up to 170lbs like clockwork with a little fat and now I weigh 165lbs because I lost the extra fat through calorie control. Now I'm back again with gaining weight 4 eggs a day, whole milk unprocessed foods and meats. My goal is 185 lbs which I KNOW I'll reach despite having always thought I had bad genetics, because I learned it all comes down to calories.
I am far from "poorly informed' on the subject of weight management, but I do know that lazy people make excuses. I always offer to train with people who are overweight and show them how to eat right. What seems to be the norm with them is if they ditch their old diet and eat healthy every one who does loses the weight. The ones who sit there and blame genetics are the ones who year after year are still fat. But you know it's ME bringing them down or people like me, not their lack of willpower or effort.
This genetics thing is bull and real world results speak more than what some "scientist" found in his study. It's hard for skinny people to gain weight as it is for a fat person to lose it, results take time and effort.
Your body has a specific shape it likes and it is hard to fight that.
You show you do not know much on the subject by suggesting a strict diet as the key to weight loss.
While a strict diet will net you weight loss, the second you are off said diet you balloon back up. It is exactly why you meet those people who always go through those phases of dieting on and off.
Fact is as I mentioned, your body tends to go towards to a specific shape. It is obviously a bigger problem for some than it is for others. The only way to truely beat it with time is to lose weight slowly overtime and instead of crazy dieting schemes, you just gradually make adjustments that you can live with and follow without torturing yourself with some strict diet you won't be able to keep up over time.
Genetics is not bull and you are a sad individual if you truely believe that. Genetics are EXACTLY WHY weight loss/gain is so damn hard to begin with. Your body fights the changes you try and make and depending on how you go about losing the weight, your body will balloon right back if you aren't careful.
Hell, I have been working on losing weight for a while now (had dropped 25 pounds over time WITHOUT strict dieting) and my body continues to fight me. I platued at 145 and have since gained back what I loss as I haven't been able to make it to the gym for a couple months now and my eating habits did get worse since I have been inactive like that. I made gradual "healthy" changes only to be seriously hindered by the realization I am hypoglycemic.
I had been doing good by limiting my pop comsumption and switching to diet pop (I had been known to down a TON of pop) only to start having blood sugar crashes at work. Now I have to snack often and I simply can't do diet pop because it makes my sugar crash. I believe my body got so used to my ridiculous pop intake that I am semi-dependant on that bit of sugar I get through drinking some pop.
I still have it pretty good compared to some. I mean I lost 25 pounds WITHOUT dieting which is something. Hell, some people aren't even physically capable of real exercise...
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