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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamas-new-mission-for-nasa-rea
ch-out-to-muslim-world-97785979.html

"In a far-reaching restatement of goals for the nation's space agency, NASA administrator Charles Bolden says President Obama has ordered him to pursue three new objectives: to "re-inspire children" to study science and math, to "expand our international relationships," and to "reach out to the Muslim world." Of those three goals, Bolden said in a recent interview with al-Jazeera, the mission to reach out to Muslims is "perhaps foremost," because it will help Islamic nations "feel good" about their scientific accomplishments."

I mean, really? Is that our job as a nation, to make other peoples and other countries feel good about their achievements? Is it not NASA's job to ensure the dominance of Americans in space? I fail to see how the American space program is even remotely connected with a religion based on the other side of the world.Should we not be focusing our efforts on making Americans feel good about our accomplishments?

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What a joke, not surprised though.

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I mean, really? Is that our job as a nation, to make other peoples and other countries feel good about their achievements?GmasterRED
It's called diplomacy... I see nothing wrong with reaching out to new people (any people) to involve them in sciences. The more the merrier.
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What a joke, not surprised though.

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I agree. I lol'd when I read it.
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I think those are very smart ideas! :)
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dude most muslim geniuses go and travel to USA because their achievements are never recognized in their countries (thanks to the great arab leaders) , so they go to america get a nice job that pays well and get an american nationality , i heard that the head of the NASA used to be egyptian , not sure if that is true though.
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Wow..kind of disturbing trend we're seeing. Why does Obama keep messing with NASA? ...From bad to worse...
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[QUOTE="GmasterRED"]I mean, really? Is that our job as a nation, to make other peoples and other countries feel good about their achievements?Daavpuke
It's called diplomacy... I see nothing wrong with reaching out to new people (any people) to involve them in sciences. The more the merrier.

That's not diplomacy. Diplomacy is not doing another government's job for them.
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Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial...
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[QUOTE="Daavpuke"][QUOTE="GmasterRED"]I mean, really? Is that our job as a nation, to make other peoples and other countries feel good about their achievements?GmasterRED
It's called diplomacy... I see nothing wrong with reaching out to new people (any people) to involve them in sciences. The more the merrier.

That's not diplomacy. Diplomacy is not doing another government's job for them.

Then what is diplomacy, if not interacting with other governments/people/etc in order to maintain an open and friendly relationship with them?
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Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... Franklinstein
since you brung it up , space IS the waste of money , at this point exploring more space doesnt benefit the human kind in any way , and in such a bad economy they could use that money to do better things than searching for alien lives that doesn't exist.
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It sounds like this means that Obama wants NASA to work with Muslim nations. What exactly is wrong with that?! NASA has always been at the forefront of things like this. Its always good when nations work together for a common goal.
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Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... Franklinstein
That's wishful thinking, if not a bit naive...both parts..
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How exactly would we go about doing that? Remove three-quarters of the moon? :?

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And yet I feel better about myself now. Bravo Obama. Bravo.
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[QUOTE="GmasterRED"][QUOTE="Daavpuke"] It's called diplomacy... I see nothing wrong with reaching out to new people (any people) to involve them in sciences. The more the merrier. Daavpuke
That's not diplomacy. Diplomacy is not doing another government's job for them.

Then what is diplomacy, if not interacting with other governments/people/etc in order to maintain an open and friendly relationship with them?

Sure, that is diplomacy. Sending Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden to say nice things is diplomacy. Wasting money from a department already having budget issues is not.
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How exactly would we go about doing that? Remove three-quarters of the moon? :?

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LOL....we already use the Arabic number system, that's about the only thing there is to praise.
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[QUOTE="GmasterRED"] Sure, that is diplomacy. Sending Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden to say nice things is diplomacy. Wasting money from a department already having budget issues is not.

How would this be wasting money? Its called sharing ideas...
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... Dance_Gavin
That's wishful thinking, if not a bit naive...both parts..

How is it naive?
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... zidan4000
since you brung it up , space IS the waste of money , at this point exploring more space doesnt benefit the human kind in any way , and in such a bad economy they could use that money to do better things than searching for alien lives that doesn't exist.

You have to make an initial investment for later payoff. The space program has some far-reaching goals that could have enormous payoffs in the future like colonization and mining.
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So basically we have an organization filled with rocket-science geniuses, who have spent years studying physics and other applicable sciences, whose job is now to reach out to the muslim world? Are we going to have our sociologists start building rocket ships now?

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[QUOTE="Daavpuke"][QUOTE="GmasterRED"] That's not diplomacy. Diplomacy is not doing another government's job for them.GmasterRED
Then what is diplomacy, if not interacting with other governments/people/etc in order to maintain an open and friendly relationship with them?

Sure, that is diplomacy. Sending Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden to say nice things is diplomacy. Wasting money from a department already having budget issues is not.

I don't see how you can foresee this to be a waste of money, as you can't predict the success rate it will have beforehand. For all we know, they might reach an untapped source that will create the next age in space technology. Intelligence isn't restricted to a specific belief/religion or otherwise.
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[QUOTE="zidan4000"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... mattbbpl
since you brung it up , space IS the waste of money , at this point exploring more space doesnt benefit the human kind in any way , and in such a bad economy they could use that money to do better things than searching for alien lives that doesn't exist.

You have to make an initial investment for later payoff. The space program has some far-reaching goals that could have enormous payoffs in the future like colonization and mining.

We don't have the money for these initial investments though, we need to make smaller investments first, such as balancing the debt, and building a surplus.
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I lol'd a little.
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[QUOTE="Dance_Gavin"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... Franklinstein
That's wishful thinking, if not a bit naive...both parts..

How is it naive?

thinking that Nasa can bridge the tension between Muslims and Americans. You serious? How is it not naive?
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[QUOTE="Daavpuke"][QUOTE="GmasterRED"] That's not diplomacy. Diplomacy is not doing another government's job for them.GmasterRED
Then what is diplomacy, if not interacting with other governments/people/etc in order to maintain an open and friendly relationship with them?

Sure, that is diplomacy. Sending Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden to say nice things is diplomacy. Wasting money from a department already having budget issues is not.

Especially for a group of people (RELIGION he is messing with religion and not GOVERNMENT affairs) and not the nation itself. What is wrong with people who can't see this? He is favoring his religion over his nation!

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Tha kind of made me laughed.

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[QUOTE="Dance_Gavin"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Dance_Gavin"] That's wishful thinking, if not a bit naive...both parts..

How is it naive?

thinking that Nasa can bridge the tension between Muslims and Americans. You serious? How is it not naive?

Some muslims are americans. It's a religion you know.
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[QUOTE="zidan4000"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Space is kind of a waste of money, bridging the tension between the muslim world and America could be much more beneficial... mattbbpl
since you brung it up , space IS the waste of money , at this point exploring more space doesnt benefit the human kind in any way , and in such a bad economy they could use that money to do better things than searching for alien lives that doesn't exist.

You have to make an initial investment for later payoff. The space program has some far-reaching goals that could have enormous payoffs in the future like colonization and mining.

yea, tell Isaac Clarke that colonization and mining paid off....
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[QUOTE="IWKYB"][QUOTE="Dance_Gavin"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] How is it naive?

thinking that Nasa can bridge the tension between Muslims and Americans. You serious? How is it not naive?

Some muslims are americans. It's a religion you know.

If he's so concerned with making the "religious" sect feel happy, then why isn't he making Nasa reach out to other religions too? Wow people are blind.
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Especially for a group of people (RELIGION he is messing with religion and not GOVERNMENT affairs) and not the nation itself. What is wrong with people who can't see this? He is favoring his religion over his nation!

IWKYB

Did you just call Obama Muslim?! Wow, you lost all credibility right there.

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[QUOTE="Dance_Gavin"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Dance_Gavin"] That's wishful thinking, if not a bit naive...both parts..

How is it naive?

thinking that Nasa can bridge the tension between Muslims and Americans. You serious? How is it not naive?

Why not? Many middle eastern countries are very interested in science, this seems like an area where we all have common ground... there is nothing to argue about in science, just math a physics.
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[QUOTE="GmasterRED"][QUOTE="Daavpuke"] Then what is diplomacy, if not interacting with other governments/people/etc in order to maintain an open and friendly relationship with them? IWKYB

Sure, that is diplomacy. Sending Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden to say nice things is diplomacy. Wasting money from a department already having budget issues is not.

Especially for a group of people (RELIGION he is messing with religion and not GOVERNMENT affairs) and not the nation itself. What is wrong with people who can't see this? He is favoring his religion over his nation!

Ok... so how is trying to build bridges not helping the "nation" ?
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[QUOTE="GmasterRED"][QUOTE="Daavpuke"] Then what is diplomacy, if not interacting with other governments/people/etc in order to maintain an open and friendly relationship with them? Daavpuke
Sure, that is diplomacy. Sending Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden to say nice things is diplomacy. Wasting money from a department already having budget issues is not.

I don't see how you can foresee this to be a waste of money, as you can't predict the success rate it will have beforehand. For all we know, they might reach an untapped source that will create the next age in space technology. Intelligence isn't restricted to a specific belief/religion or otherwise.

Well, first of all, Obama said the Muslim world. I think I can take a pretty good guess at the success rate of a scientific endeavor with a religion that....well I can't say or I'd get moded.

Secondly, he said to make them feel good. Not to collaborate on working on the problems of the universe.

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Pfft... Obama...
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="zidan4000"] since you brung it up , space IS the waste of money , at this point exploring more space doesnt benefit the human kind in any way , and in such a bad economy they could use that money to do better things than searching for alien lives that doesn't exist.Franklinstein
You have to make an initial investment for later payoff. The space program has some far-reaching goals that could have enormous payoffs in the future like colonization and mining.

We don't have the money for these initial investments though, we need to make smaller investments first, such as balancing the debt, and building a surplus.

Eventually, it's going to go down the drain again. In my opinion, more emphasis on space, less emphasis on the rest.
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Well, first of all, Obama said the Muslim world. I think I can take a pretty good guess at the success rate of a scientific endeavor with a religion that....well I can't say or I'd get moded.

Secondly, he said to make them feel good. Not to collaborate on working on the problems of the universe.

GmasterRED

"reach out to the muslim world"....MEANING: reach out to muslim scientists to work in collaboration. The effect of this would be to make those individuals feel good about the work they are doing...

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[QUOTE="IWKYB"] Especially for a group of people (RELIGION he is messing with religion and not GOVERNMENT affairs) and not the nation itself. What is wrong with people who can't see this? He is favoring his religion over his nation!

wolverine4262

Did you just call Obama Muslim?! Wow, you lost all credibility right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

cover up. Guy is indonisian and was brought up with Muslim teachings.

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I swear if Obama said beef was tasty you all would become vegetarians. :roll:

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Well, first of all, Obama said the Muslim world. I think I can take a pretty good guess at the success rate of a scientific endeavor with a religion that....well I can't say or I'd get moded.

Secondly, he said to make them feel good. Not to collaborate on working on the problems of the universe.

GmasterRED

So, you're prejudiced? That's ok, I get where you're coming from. But I think it's a good thing he's trying to reach out to make people see new things, other than just saying "Well, you never did before, so you're bound to be useless". If anything it will help other people think differently of Muslims and make progressive changes to their ways of life.

And yes he did, which can be interpreted in endless ways, but I don't see a negative side to making someone feel good.

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I swear if Obama said beef was tasty you all would become vegetarians. :roll:

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If Obama said beef is tasty, I would say, "it depends".
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] You have to make an initial investment for later payoff. The space program has some far-reaching goals that could have enormous payoffs in the future like colonization and mining.

We don't have the money for these initial investments though, we need to make smaller investments first, such as balancing the debt, and building a surplus.

Eventually, it's going to go down the drain again. In my opinion, more emphasis on space, less emphasis on the rest.

Well, I think that's completely backwards. The only way it'll go down the drain again, is if we get into more pointless wars. It doesn't matter, nothing is ever going to change.
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I'd much rather have Muslims in the developing world turn to science, math, and engineering than to radical islamism, and if NASA has the means to potentially help promote these things in these regions of the world then what exactly is the harm in trying, especially when considering the fact that the ideology of our enemies that we are at war with is that of radical islamism. And on a related note, the one thing I've always liked about space exploration is that it has the potential to encourage international cooperation on a very large scale, because it's increasingly becoming more and more costly and more difficult in general to explore space without the help of other nations.
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] We don't have the money for these initial investments though, we need to make smaller investments first, such as balancing the debt, and building a surplus.

Eventually, it's going to go down the drain again. In my opinion, more emphasis on space, less emphasis on the rest.

Well, I think that's completely backwards. The only way it'll go down the drain again, is if we get into more pointless wars. It doesn't matter, nothing is ever going to change.

Which we will....
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I swear if Obama said beef was tasty you all would become vegetarians. :roll:

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I feel like people do that too. But I guess I can understand. When Geo W. Bush was in office, pretty much anything he said I was just like "Wtf? Seirously?"
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I think there's some pretty sad spin on this. Telling NASA to reach out to scientists in the middle east is not the same thing as telling Nasa to 'make muslims feel good about themselves.'
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#47 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Eventually, it's going to go down the drain again. In my opinion, more emphasis on space, less emphasis on the rest.

Well, I think that's completely backwards. The only way it'll go down the drain again, is if we get into more pointless wars. It doesn't matter, nothing is ever going to change.

Which we will....

I know, I hate talking about politics because it always gets to this point, and most people don't realize it. Nothing is ever going to change ever, until there is some kind of revolution. And then, a lot of people will die, and the world will step backwards culturally for a few decades.
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I'd much rather have Muslims in the developing world turn to science, math, and engineering than to radical islamism, and if NASA has the means to potentially help promote these things in these regions of the world then what exactly is the harm in trying, especially when considering the fact that the ideology of our enemies that we are at war with is that of radical islamism. And on a related note, the one thing I've always liked about space exploration is that it has the potential to encourage international cooperation on a very large scale, because it's increasingly becoming more and more costly and more difficult in general to explore space without the help of other nations.-Sun_Tzu-
you make it sound that in the muslim world all they do is "islamism" dude i used to live in saudi arabia and trust me ,people don't give a **** about religion or islam , dont believe all what you see on tv.
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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="IWKYB"] Especially for a group of people (RELIGION he is messing with religion and not GOVERNMENT affairs) and not the nation itself. What is wrong with people who can't see this? He is favoring his religion over his nation!

IWKYB

Did you just call Obama Muslim?! Wow, you lost all credibility right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

It was an obvious misstatement... You do realize he worked with his church community for many years right? EITHER WAY, I couldnt care less. Obama's religion has nothing to do with politics and government. This objective was clearly meant to build ties with a part of the world where there is a mutual distrust. Science is one of the best ways to being people of different backgrounds together.
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#50 ghoklebutter
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I'd much rather have Muslims in the developing world turn to science, math, and engineering than to radical islamism, and if NASA has the means to potentially help promote these things in these regions of the world then what exactly is the harm in trying, especially when considering the fact that the ideology of our enemies that we are at war with is that of radical islamism. And on a related note, the one thing I've always liked about space exploration is that it has the potential to encourage international cooperation on a very large scale, because it's increasingly becoming more and more costly and more difficult in general to explore space without the help of other nations.-Sun_Tzu-
My sentiments exactly.