Obama says students with disabilities have a right to play sports

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Lai, how is the campaign for Wood going?dave123321

and when i say tru, i mean t.r.u.Abbeten

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Laihendi

That is the world Obama is creating.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Ace6301

That is the world Obama is creating.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Laihendi

That is the world Obama is creating.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Laihendi

That is the world Obama is creating.

i have never heard of this fanfiction thing but it would not surprise me at all if laihendi completely and glouriously missed the point of a satireAbbeten

i have never heard of this fanfiction thing but it would not surprise me at all if laihendi completely and glouriously missed the point of a satireAbbeten

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]i have never heard of this fanfiction thing but it would not surprise me at all if laihendi completely and glouriously missed the point of a satireAce6301

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Laihendi

That is the world Obama is creating.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Rich3232

That is the world Obama is creating.

I am waiting for that fateful day when Laihendi leaves society for being too oppressive to live in the mountains..

As long as they don't hinder the game useless I'm all for it. Example. If some kid in a wheel chair wants to do wrestling, and I'm his opponent what am I suppose to do?Fightingfan

Chances are if a kid in a wheel chair wants to wrestle he probably doesn't have legs and would crush his opponent

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Laihendi

That is the world Obama is creating.

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]i have never heard of this fanfiction thing but it would not surprise me at all if laihendi completely and glouriously missed the point of a satireLaihendi

Having read literaly everything that Vonegut ever published and many of his interviews, I promise he would hate you.

I don't really see what the problem is. Have separate leagues for disabled kids, and if there happen to be disabled kids good enough to compete in the normal sport then allow them to do that too - kind of like that Olympic runner without both of his legs who was good enough to make the normal Olympics.

This of course completely contradicts the concept of sports being a display of competitive physical athleticism, because the physically disabled are by definition uncompetitive with regards to physical athleticism. Next Obama will likely be saying that the mentally disabled have a right to participate in math and debate teams.

Laihendi

I thought the point of sports was to have fun and be active?

As for "rights", the disabled (mentally, physically, etc) have a right to do anything the non-disabled have a right to do.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

This of course completely contradicts the concept of sports being a display of competitive physical athleticism, because the physically disabled are by definition uncompetitive with regards to physical athleticism. Next Obama will likely be saying that the mentally disabled have a right to participate in math and debate teams.

mrbojangles25

I thought the point of sports was to have fun and be active?

As for "rights", the disabled (mentally, physically, etc) have a right to do anything the non-disabled have a right to do.

Furthermore there are gifted people out there that have disabilities, such as being deaf or mute, that given the right support they could go all the way to professional level.. But are barred from the beginning due to needing that support.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes, there are broad standards that they share, and they do so freely without regulation from the government. You are proving me right without even realizing it. There is no good reason for the government to regulate education.Laihendi

The Noble Peace Prize is a seperate award given by a seperate committee than the other Nobel Prizes. Does your ignorance know no bounds?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]i have never heard of this fanfiction thing but it would not surprise me at all if laihendi completely and glouriously missed the point of a satireLaihendi

Seriously dude, learn a little bit about the writer you're quoting. Goddamn.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]i have never heard of this fanfiction thing but it would not surprise me at all if laihendi completely and glouriously missed the point of a satireAce6301

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Guybrush_3

That is the world Obama is creating.

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.Laihendi

That is the world Obama is creating.

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Rich3232

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please tell me which government imposed educational standards private universities are held to. Also the Nobel committee has no credibility. That is just a political organization.Laihendi

All colleges and universities much register with the Office of Higher education (state and federal) in order to be recognized as a degree-giving institution.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] All colleges and universities in the US must meet institutional standards if they want to be eligible for government grants, or in a similar way, accreditation from other groups or institutions. Most major research in this country cannot be done with at least some government funding. The Nobel committee recognizes ground breaking science. That isn't the same as the Nobel Peace Prize, which I don't give credibility too. If you look at Nobel chemists, they also have won major government grants, American and international chemical prizes, and other accolades. You obviously don't know how the research system works, and every important large college and university in the country does research these days.jimkabrhel

All colleges and universities much register with the Office of Higher education (state and federal) in order to be recognized as a degree-giving institution.

They should have the opportunity to participate in various types of physical/extracurricular activity. Doesnt mean they get to be on the varsity team, but neither do most people.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Which institutional standards are private universities legally bound to?Laihendi

All colleges and universities much register with the Office of Higher education (state and federal) in order to be recognized as a degree-giving institution.

I'm sure you can find it if you look. I'm not here to answer all of your questions.

http://www.ed.gov

http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=205

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

All colleges and universities much register with the Office of Higher education (state and federal) in order to be recognized as a degree-giving institution.

jimkabrhel

I'm sure you can find it if you look. I'm not here to answer all of your questions.

http://www.ed.gov

http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=205

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] What academic standards does the Office of Higher Education impose on private universities? And in order to be recognized by who as degree-giving institution?Laihendi

I'm sure you can find it if you look. I'm not here to answer all of your questions.

http://www.ed.gov

http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=205

How would there be any consistency in higher education if there wasn't any kind of oversight? I feel like I've asked you this before and you didn't give me a proper answer. This is associated with the issue of for-profit instiutions, which are fleecing many of their students with degrees that don't show proficiency.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I'm sure you can find it if you look. I'm not here to answer all of your questions.

http://www.ed.gov

http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=205

jimkabrhel

How would there be any consistency in higher education if there wasn't any kind of oversight? I feel like I've asked you this before and you didn't give me a proper answer. This is associated with the issue of for-profit instiutions, which are fleecing many of their students with degrees that don't show proficiency.

lmao. that is all.mingmao3046

So you probably think women have no place in sports too?

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lmao. that is all.jimkabrhel

So you probably think women have no place in sports too?

That's like saying that a person who is mute has a right to sing. It's just stupid.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lmao. that is all.jimkabrhel

So you probably think women have no place in sports too?

That's like saying that a person who is mute has a right to sing. It's just stupid.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's like saying that a person who is mute has a right to sing. It's just stupid.

DroidPhysX

Explain the difference.

Explain the difference.

hartsickdiscipl

A disability and sports are both broad areas of discussion whilst your analogy zeroed on a specific disability and activity that are incompatible with one another.

That's like saying that a person who is mute has a right to sing. It's just stupid.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Explain the difference.

DroidPhysX

A disability and sports are both broad areas of discussion whilst your analogy zeroed on a specific disability and activity that are incompatible with one another.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Explain the difference.

DroidPhysX

A disability and sports are both broad areas of discussion whilst your analogy zeroed on a specific disability and activity that are incompatible with one another.

In the end it depends on the specific disability and the specific activity. That's why specific examples are the only way to see if a general statement like "people with disabilities have the right to play sports" is valid.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's like saying that a person who is mute has a right to sing. It's just stupid.

Ace6301

There is no such thing as a "complete" incompatibility. There is a certain level of practical incompatibility that has to be determined. That's where the lines have to be drawn. Same as with anything in life.