Mormonism what is your take

Ever since the election rnded alot of things have surfaced about moronism and as i looked things up about the religion(im athiest) it seemed to me that other reiligions are  big hipocrits when it comes to the LDS religion what is some of your guys take

It's an even more batsh!t insane version of Christianity

It's an even more batsh!t insane version of Christianitywis3boi

It's kinda like someone took Christianity and Scientology (even though Mormonism predate Scientology), mixed in a good helping of bugf*ck crazy and mixed it in a blender. It's even got a huckster fraud for a founder just like Scientology.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]It's an even more batsh!t insane version of ChristianityZeviander

They can now. For a long time they couldn't, but God changed his mind about that in the late 1970s.

To be honest I don't really know anything about it.

I know one Mormon. He's a pretty nice guy

It's kinda like someone took Christianity and Scientology (even though Mormonism predate Scientology), mixed in a good helping of bugf*ck crazy and mixed it in a blender. It's even got a huckster fraud for a founder just like Scientology.

worlock77

Jesus=Muhammed=John Smith.  All just a bunch of people who saw spirituality in their religion losing out to dogma and decided the only way to change things was to posit themselves as divinely-inspired prophets.  The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom.

I once had someone tell me it was the church of Satan.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It's kinda like someone took Christianity and Scientology (even though Mormonism predate Scientology), mixed in a good helping of bugf*ck crazy and mixed it in a blender. It's even got a huckster fraud for a founder just like Scientology.

theone86

Jesus=Muhammed=John Smith.  All just a bunch of people who saw spirituality in their religion losing out to dogma and decided the only way to change things was to posit themselves as divinely-inspired prophets.  The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom.

I think one of Joseph Smith's problems was that things weren't dogmatic enough for him. From what I've read one of his ambitions was to conquer the western half of America and form his own theocracy (which would in time take over the US, then gradually spread out across the globe).

Comparable to "normal" Christianity and Islam, and virtually any religion practiced today...

...Which is to say, stupid.

I dont like religious people in general. Let alone mormons.

I guess my bible class teacher traumatised me from religion in general when I was a teenager.

I get that it is hard for someone to believe in traditional Christianity because of its miracles.  However, I have issues with Mormonism not simply because it contradicts traditional Christianity and the Bible but because even its "naturalistic" claims are a bit out there.  As a simple example, the cities that are mentioned in the Bible still exist today and under the very same names.  The book of Mormon, however, has cities that seem to have all but disappeared. 

It sound like one of the stranger religions out there, if you go into the details, but if it makes people happy, who am I to care? If they ever come to my door, I dismiss them politely, and they never get upset.

There's a girl on youtube who talks about her beliefs and about being a mormon She doesn't seem crazy or anything, which is why I dont understand how these people can actually believe in this stuff. She just comes off as delusional to me, like to actually believe there is an actual living prophet today is just crazy, yet it's all hidden behind a pretty face and the rationalization that "It's just my beliefs and in my opinion it's made my life better" Which I can at the very least respect I guess, but it still seems crazy to me. 

Jesus=Muhammed=John Smith.  All just a bunch of people who saw spirituality in their religion losing out to dogma and decided the only way to change things was to posit themselves as divinely-inspired prophets.  The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom.

theone86

Joseph Smith, yes. In Jesus' case, I think it's the exact opposite. If he existed, and that's one big IF, and if we follow what's written, I believe Jesus actually wanted jews to stop active like primitive religious fanatics when compared to the far more secular and civilized Roman Empire. Mainly because that would have to be the first step in order to have some kind of legitimate cause to liberate themselves from that empire. Romans were creating a legal and bureaucratic system from which we are still learning things today, after 2000 years, while jews were stoning people and beasts to death for reasons that defied all kind of logic, even back then. (All of this sounds a little bit too familiar, doesn't it?)

Muhammed converted different politheistic and pagan tribes so... I don't know how that works with what you said. 

One of my family members was (a?) leader of the mormons :P

Really fvcking weird.

The Mormons I've run into have always been rather amiable, though.

I don't see how it is any crazier than any other religion.IdioticIcarus

Well, these new religions like Mormonism and Scientology are new enough for us to have the history of how they were founded and by whom.  Mormonism was founded by a known con artist and scientology was founded by a science fiction author who was known to repeatedly admit he wanted to start a cult to get rich.  And the fact that this is known and people still follow them is what makes them weird

The beliefs are mind numbingly stupid and -- having lived in Utah-- the followers are f*cking creepy nice. It's like Children of the Corn sh*t.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]It's an even more batsh!t insane version of ChristianityZeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]It's an even more batsh!t insane version of ChristianityCongressManStan

what was funny to me was that during the election all the fundamentalists stopped calling it a cult and pretended it was just another religion.

then after the election everyone ganged back up on mormonism again.

it's pretty funny how people just abandon whatever shyt they believe when it is convenient or they have the chance to get something they want at the expense of their integrity.

[QUOTE="IdioticIcarus"]I don't see how it is any crazier than any other religion.wis3boi

Well, these new religions like Mormonism and Scientology are new enough for us to have the history of how they were founded and by whom.  Mormonism was founded by a known con artist and scientology was founded by a science fiction author who was known to repeatedly admit he wanted to start a cult to get rich.  And the fact that this is known and people still follow them is what makes them weird

You sure on that JW part? Because a good friend of mine is a JW, his whole family is, and they are pretty...orthodox, and just a few months back, his dad was called to court to testify against his brother in law because he was beating her woman and she had asked for divorce and jail. The guy also told me that a lot of things that "we" hear about JW are bs, most of it apparently spread out by people who dont know anything and just wanted them to make them look back...apparently you have to be part of it to know the "rules".lightleggy

I heard it straight from a JW who I work with, we spent quite a few hours discussing her beliefs. She has been divorced once because her husband cheated on her, but told me when I asked that divorce on grounds of abuse is not a 'scripture' reasoning for divorce. I have asked her hundreds of questions about everything from blood transfusions to gays to divorce to 'the truth' and reincarnation. She also brought me info pamphlets from her church and books they give out to members to read.

I have found that there are MANY other people on the internet who can confirm they stayed in an abusive marriage because they were told divorce wasn't an option, or the victim was told that it was their fault or they're doing something wrong. I googled "Jehovahs witness domestic abuse" and found a lot of people saying just that.

Also it's not unheard of for somebody to get away from the religion and get a divorce, eventually the abuse becomes too much and they run. Just because people are dumb enough to get sucked into religion doesn't mean they won't ever see 'the light' so to speak and realize their religion is binding them to somebody who is abusing them and put an end to it.

It's also required by law if you're subpoenad to testify in a trial. Testifying that domestic abuse had gone on is not the same as you yourself getting a divorce and is not, as far as I know, banned by the religion. It'd look pretty cultish if they made their members lie about domestic abuse.

I feel that even by religion standards its a nutty religion.

On top of that, the origin story is such an obvious fraud, that I can't see a logical thinker ever following it.

[QUOTE="IdioticIcarus"]I don't see how it is any crazier than any other religion.wis3boi

Well, these new religions like Mormonism and Scientology are new enough for us to have the history of how they were founded and by whom.  Mormonism was founded by a known con artist and scientology was founded by a science fiction author who was known to repeatedly admit he wanted to start a cult to get rich.  And the fact that this is known and people still follow them is what makes them weird

what was funny to me was that during the election all the fundamentalists stopped calling it a cult and pretended it was just another religion.

then after the election everyone ganged back up on mormonism again.

it's pretty funny how people just abandon whatever shyt they believe when it is convenient or they have the chance to get something they want at the expense of their integrity.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I think the episode of South Park pretty much sums it up. And it makes me lol that the 'religion' outlaws anything that makes them outwardly look bad. Drinking, drugs, smoking, dating before age __, premarital sex, unhappy families, rudeness. Basically Mormons are just supposed to be perfect from the outside. The only thing that rivals the stupidity of Mormonism is Jehovahs Witnesses, where if your husband porks another lady you can divorce him, but if he beats you senseless every day that ends in a Y, God says u r forevs.lightleggy

I dated a girl for awhile who was brought up as a JW, and one of my best friends since jr high was brought up one as well. From what they've both told me most of what we hear about JW are pretty spot on.

BTW: why do people keep saying John Smith? The man's name was Joseph, not John, but Joseph.

[QUOTE="IdioticIcarus"]I don't see how it is any crazier than any other religion.wis3boi

Well, these new religions like Mormonism and Scientology are new enough for us to have the history of how they were founded and by whom.  Mormonism was founded by a known con artist and scientology was founded by a science fiction author who was known to repeatedly admit he wanted to start a cult to get rich.  And the fact that this is known and people still follow them is what makes them weird

BTW: why do people keep saying John Smith? The man's name was Joseph, not John, but Joseph.

worlock77

BTW: why do people keep saying John Smith? The man's name was Joseph, not John, but Joseph.

worlock77

Theone86 played mind tricks on me. :(

yeah this is why i say this judging of mormons are reily stupid in my opinion yes the way i see it organized religion is the dumbest thing but i as a black athiest have looked this so called racism up in the church and this is what ive come across From the beginning, black people have been members of Mormon congregations, When the Mormons migrated to Missuri they encountered the pro-slavery sentiments ofrom their neighbors such as baptised the most dominated minority church in christianity. Joseph smith jr  upheld the laws regarding slaves and slaveholders(becuase fear of persicution, but remained abolitionist in his actions and doctrines. After the Mormons were expelled from Missouri, Smith took an increasingly strong anti-slavery position, and a few black men were ordained to the LDS Priest hood and another thing i have encountered is that Blacks treated worse in all other christian churches 

It's kinda like someone took Christianity and Scientology (even though Mormonism predate Scientology), mixed in a good helping of bugf*ck crazy and mixed it in a blender. It's even got a huckster fraud for a founder just like Scientology.

 

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]It's an even more batsh!t insane version of Christianityworlock77

They can now. For a long time they couldn't, but God changed his mind about that in the late 1970s.

yeah this is why i say this judging of mormons are reily stupid first reading the doctrine they mintion a curse however they do not state they cant get into heaven until 1978 they werent allowed to get the priesthood untill 1978 but as you will se down the line some blacks did racieve this priesthood before then and als in my opinion yes the way i see it organized religion is the dumbest thing but i as a black athiest have looked this so called racism up in the church and this is what ive come across From the beginning, black people have been members of Mormon congregations, When the Mormons migrated to Missuri they encountered the pro-slavery sentiments ofrom their neighbors such as baptised the most dominated minority church in christianity. Joseph smith jr  upheld the laws regarding slaves and slaveholders(becuase fear of persicution, but remained abolitionist in his actions and doctrines. After the Mormons were expelled from Missouri, Smith took an increasingly strong anti-slavery position, and a few black men were ordained to the LDS Priest hood and another thing i have encountered is that Blacks treated worse in all other christian churches 

To be honest I don't really know anything about it.

I know one Mormon. He's a pretty nice guy

whiskeystrike

and this what brought me to ask this i have a moromon friend aswell and he is black but he and the other moromons i hang out are cool even though i dont egree with there beliefs i would rather hang with them then certant other people honestly they dont even bother anybody except for coming to your door but if you turn them down they dont act like asses and get pissed unlike JAHOVA witnesses also they dont stand on street corners screeming about how jesus can save you like Catholics and Baptised do once the south park director once said that if there was truly a god that said for you to live a certant way to get into heaven and that if there were only one type of people that would get into heaven it would be the Members of the LDS church

yeah this is why i say this judging of mormons are reily stupid in my opinion yes the way i see it organized religion is the dumbest thing but i as a black athiest have looked this so called racism up in the church and this is what ive come across From the beginning, black people have been members of Mormon congregations, When the Mormons migrated to Missuri they encountered the pro-slavery sentiments ofrom their neighbors such as baptised the most dominated minority church in christianity. Joseph smith jr  upheld the laws regarding slaves and slaveholders(becuase fear of persicution, but remained abolitionist in his actions and doctrines. After the Mormons were expelled from Missouri, Smith took an increasingly strong anti-slavery position, and a few black men were ordained to the LDS Priest hood and another thing i have encountered is that Blacks treated worse in all other christian churches 

leathalgamer84

There were two black men admited to the priesthood under Joseph Smith. Smith died in 1844, and under his successor, Brigham Young, the LDS church adopted a racist policy, denying the higher priesthood and many church functions to blacks, claiming that blacks were under a curse by placed upon them by God (black skin being, as they claimed, the "Mark of Cain"). This policy lasted until 1978 when it basically became politically untenable for the church to hold such posititions any longer.