(Edit: Sorry for the lousy formatting of quotes. I had it perfect the first time, then made an edit, and somehow deleted a chunk of my post. I was able to salvage it via edit-revision history.) Hi everyone, First let me introduce myself: My name is Eric and I am the author, creator, and maintainer of ShowMetheFacts.org. I enjoy checking my referrals from time to time (especially when I get them from forums) to check in and see comments, replies, thoughts, etc. Ultimately, I enjoy using this information to help me write more informative posts that appeal to a wider audience. This thread, however, has been quite unique as it is the first that has caused me to feel like I need to hop into the conversation and defend myself as well as correct misrepresentations of my site. Godly_Cure wrote: What a surprise a pro marijuana site advocating the wonders of weed.
What is so wrong with that? If there are "wonders" to be told, what is the harm in telling them? Rather, if you disbelieve anything your read on my site and feel I do not do a sufficient job in providing citation/reference, contact me directly (eric [at] showmethefacts.org). Otherwise, I fail to see the issue. -FlyLo- wrote: xaos wrote: According to your link, smoking provides no protective benefit... But it can cure it, not as much as the actual medicine they give you at the hospital, but it does do something.
No, it can not. A "treatment" is completely different than a "cure". Due to the very nature of viruses, there are indeed no "cures" available. However, if you can *treat* the symptoms of said virus (symptoms which can contribute to the virus being fatal), then you can increase the likelihood of survival in the patient. I will get more into this in my next reply to this comment: -_Rain_- wrote: -FlyLo- wrote: -_Rain_- wrote: Wow, a blog post promoting *snicker* "research" from Cannabis Science Inc.! Not only that, but it seems that Cannabis Science Inc. is the only place where this study has been conducted with verified results! I'm totally gonna trust it! Nah, you're just in denial You're damn right: I deny that pot can cure a disease that has no cure and no immunity. And, seeing as these "findings" have yet to be reproduced (like a real experiment) by anybody other than Cannabis Science Inc., yes, I am in denial of this silly claim.
Indeed, a blog post. I wasn't aware that the medium used to share information somehow affected the merit/credibility of said research. Further, if you had followed the references in my post, you would know that Cannabis Science Inc. is not the first to discover the immune-suppressant properties of marijuana. Indeed, there are studies (many of which can be found under the Multiple Sclerosis portion of the site: http://www.showmethefacts.org/medical-marijuana-facts/multiple-sclerosis/) which show that the chemical constituents of cannabis act as effective immune system suppressants. The only thing that makes Cannabis Science Inc. unique is the fact that they are applying this concept, via use of their lozenge, to potentially help in treating victims of swine flu. Why? Because the virus causes your body's immune system to go into overdrive, and your body can't sustain the stress. So yes, Cannabis Science Inc. is indeed only speculating and relying heavily on anecdotal evidence that marijuana may prove to be an effective treatment for swine flu, however, their calculations are based on proven science in other fields (namely marijuana's affects on other autoimmune diseases). Again, to make it perfectly clear: Marijuana has already shown to be an extremely affective treatment for diseases/conditions/disorders that involve overactive immune systems. The danger of this virus is very similar. That is why the lozenge may be an affective treatment. Not because "marijuana is a miracle cure", but simply because science has shown it is an effective treatment for such disorders. So please, stop belittling it. angusclone2 wrote: These pot threads are spreading like a plague. And to be honest, I'm not going to trust that site.
I'm not asking for your trust. In fact, I explicitly state that in the "About" section of the website. Frankly, I do not believe "trust" has any place in argument or science. All I am asking you to do is read for yourself, think for yourself, and allow yourself to consider the facts (which I make sure to link to and provide with every claim I make). If you feel a claim I make is not referenced appropriately, or you feel that additional sources are required... e-mail me. Correct me and I will correct my article. Prove me wrong and I will withdraw the article and replace it with an apology. But don't discount my site because your personal beliefs regarding a plant. Born_Lucky wrote: -FlyLo- wrote: Link. It's funny that something society frowns upon can potentionally save lives. Ironic huh? What's even funnier is how something that destroys brain cells , damages your lungs, and causes paranoia is glorified by people who don't know any better. Wait - that's not funny - that's just sad.
What is definitely not funny is people like you who regurgitate myths and attempt to tout them as some sort of clever quip. 1. Marijuana does not--and has never been proven to--kill brain cells. This myth was started after scientists in the Heath/Tulane Study (1974) literally suffocated monkeys with marijuana smoke and attributed their dead, oxygen-deprived brain cells to the "dangers of marijuana". The true irony in this myth is that modern science has shown that marijuana actually stimulates brain-cell development: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8155 Provide me a single reputable study that supports your claims, or continue to hold on to your antique-study of gassing primates... it's up to you. 2. First off, marijuana is a plant. It does not "hurt" your lungs. If a person chooses to take marijuana, apply fire/heat, and inhale the combusted product... then yes, that may lead to unwanted affects. Smoking is a choice. Many people choose to vaporize their marijuana, which creates a near-toxinless mist which can be inhaled. Others choose to bake marijuana into edibles. Let us also be clear that smoking marijuana is in no way, shape or form synonymous or on par with smoking tobacco. Tobacco smoke has been proven time and again to contribute/cause lung cancer. Marijuana? Not at all. The largest study of its kind showed that you are no more likely to get lung cancer from smoking marijuana than you are from smoking nothing at all (link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196678,00.html). As we are finding out in other fields of science, cannabinoids seem to not only negate the risks of cancer, but can be applied to actually killing cancer (http://www.webmd.com/cancer/brain-cancer/news/20090401/marijuana-chemical-may-fight-brain-cancer). Furthermore, some cannabinoids in marijuana act as neural-protectants, which opens many doors to treat other illnesses. 3. Paranoia? Did you read that off of the back of the "Reefer Madness" box? The only studies which hint at some sort of correlation between marijuana use and schizophrenia usually involved patients with genetic predispositions to schizophrenia. Feel free to show me an independent, non-government/drug-abuse organization funded study that shows anything past weak/moderate correlations. Jacobistheman wrote: So pot slows down your immune system which protects you from desease and that is supposed to cure desease? This is some F up logic, I think whoever wrote this artical was high.
No claim was ever made that "pot slows down your immune system". Immune system suppression does not necessarily equate to a "weakened" immune system. Likewise, marijuana's ability to stop your immune system from overreacting in no way means it causes it to under-react. Jacobistheman wrote: Yeah, I saw the first hour of that and it was educational, but I am still skeptical of some of it especially when it says that pot doesn't hurt your body at all.
I will never claim that it is impossible for marijuana to cause harm to a person or their body. However, until someone proves that it does, I will support the research (from multiple, peer-reviewed sources) that showcases the many medicinal properties of marijuana. And, again, if you have any studies which show that it does cause harm, please send them to me and I will happily warn my readers. All I ask for are facts. -_Rain_- wrote: All this is is a publicity stunt by potheads who want to make people believe cannabis is perfectly great for you by saying it can cure or prevent a major health concern. There is no logic behind it.
No, there is no logic behind people like you who so easily discount things that have the potential to help so many. -FlyLo- wrote: Swine Flu has a cure...
No virus (that I am aware of) has a cure. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- I apologize for the lengthy post and the most-likely sub-par first impression, but I am not here to make friends, just report facts. And if you disagree, show me yours. Sincerely, Eric ShowMetheFacts.org
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