Man who beheaded Greyhound Passenger, roams free

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So, in Canada, to get away with murder you must have a doctors note that state that you're mentally ill or diagnose with Schizophrenia?

WINNIPEG — The federal Opposition leader is criticizing a decision giving complete freedom to a man who beheaded and cannibalized a Greyhound bus passenger in Manitoba.

Rona Ambrose says in a Facebook post that the release of Will Baker — who was formerly Vince Li — doesn’t seem right and that Justin Trudeau must put the rights of victims first.

Baker was found not criminally responsible in the killing of Tim McLean in the summer of 2008 due to schizophrenia and has been granted more freedom and privileges every year at hearings by a Criminal Code Review Board.

The board’s decision on Friday means he will no longer be subject to any conditions or monitoring to ensure he takes his medication.

Ambrose says in her post that “now Li is a free man” and that he’ll “be living not too far away from Tim McLean’s mother.”

Some of the people who responded to post by the interim Conservative leader noted the killing, sentencing and gradual relaxing of conditions took place while the federal Tories were still in power.

Baker started living on his own in a Winnipeg apartment last November but was still subject to rules and nightly monitoring to ensure he took his medication.

His doctors described him as a model patient who had not been treated for schizophrenia at the time of his attack. After his arrest and placement at the hospital, he responded well to medication and understood that he must continue to take it to keep his illness at bay, they said.

The victim’s mother, Carol de Delley, declined comment Friday in a Facebook post.

She has been outspoken against granting Baker freedom, arguing there would be no way to ensure he would continue to take his medication.

If someone is found to be mentally incompetent to stand trial for a heinous act such as that, they should be kept in a mental hospital for the rest of their natural life, no matter how much they appear to get better. John Hinckley should not be getting weekend passes home or be released, ever.

1. He was deemed not criminally responsible because he's a schizophrenic.
2. The experts and doctors who have treated him for the past 8 years believe he is okay now. This is why we have experts and review boards.
3. Canada has a low recidivism rate. "Rates of violent acts among review board patients is very low — around [the] five per cent mark — much, much less than the general criminal population," he said.

Even if they're no longer a threat to themselves or society? That's not even how it works in the US and definitely not how it works in Canada. Your view of the justice system and rehabilitation might fit in with North Korea or China, though.

Yeah I'm sure the victims family and friends will be glad to console themselves with "HEY AT LEAST WE'RE NOT CHINA LOL!". Now they can even chance upon him and maybe say "Welcome to Canada!".

I'm not saying the person in this case must receive the full extent of the law but when a person lost his life, in probably a very horrific way, and yet nothing happens, then there is something really wrong with the system. The guy got decapitated and EATEN but yeah its alright. I dunno but this doesnt feel right.

I remember that incident. He should be locked up forever.

But something did happen. The man was in psychiatric care for the past 8 years and the experts and doctors involved reached the conclusion that he's no longer a threat and keeping him in care longer is illegal because he poses no threat. The justice system does not take into account the feelings of the victim's family.

So victims do not have any rights whatsoever eh? Why should someone who does such as above walk free, even if found to have mental issues, while the family watches him do such while their loved one is in a grave? I believe in victim's rights. People who commit crimes need do serve some sort of punishment. If mentally incompetent, then they need to be in a mental hospital. If they ever get to be found competent, then they should have to go to court for the crimes they have committed. Everyone wants to focus on criminal's rights, but forego victim's right at every chance. The only rights a criminal should have are that they face their accuser (typically the state), a speedy trial, and a fair trial. If the crimes are not heinous, they should be offered ways to rehabilitate, but there are those who never will or can be such.

I have no problem with a mentally ill person getting instituionalized to get the help they need. This person needs help but should be kept away from people he could harm until it's deemed safe.

Psychiatric care?For decapitating and eating someone? Tim's mother will be jumping with joy with that revelation...

Poses no threat? How can you say so with such surety?

Dude, someone LOST his life, PAINFULLY. In an unnatural manner. This wasn't an accident.

"The justice system does not take into the feelings of the victim's family."

Then thats where the problem is with the justice system. I'm not saying judgement should be based wholly on the victim's family but to take zero account is injustice by itself. They are directly affected by incidents like this, probably emotionally disturbed if not traumatised at having a loved one killed so brutally and now they are told to "just forget about it" because the justice don't give a shit about them. They cant even sue the guy lol. lol what is this madness...

@perfect_blue: He took another mans life in a brutal and horrific fashion. He deserves death and nothing more.

Nowhere did I say the victim should not have rights. Of course the victim has rights. But the justice system does not look at the feelings of the victim's family when it comes to sentencing and the rehabilitation process. That is not justice, that is revenge and Canada's justice system does not deal with retribution and blood lust.

Yeah, psychiatric care. The man had an untreated case of schizophrenia and was out of his mind when the attack happened. Meaning he was not in control of his actions and did not know what was going on. I am not okay with the idea of retribution when it comes to the mentally ill. Canada as a country is past that.

That is what the experts and doctors say who have way more experience and knowledge on Vince Li than you and I do. I linked earlier a quote that 5% of the review board cases go on to re-offend, which is lower than the rest of the criminal population in Canada. As well as if the doctors and psychiatrists involved believe he is a risk they are LEGALLY required to report it.

Succinct, elegant and bang on. Well said.

Have you ever experienced schizophrenia? Do you even understand the extent of the illness and what it does to the human mind?

I remember this guy, the one who thought he was Jesus. That god had commanded him to kill the demon and spread the body out so it couldnt come back to life.

Have you lost a loved one brutally to someone who then went scot free just because hes not right in the head?

Have you bore a child for 9 months, spent years of sweat and tears to nurture the child till adulthood, only to have him taken away in the most horrific of manner? Do you even understand the extent of pain that his loved ones are suffering from?

How can a justice system not even take into account the fact that a crime against someone, especially murder, is also a crime against the victim's family and the person's closest to him? Its ridiculous.

Cases like that aren't cured. They rely on self administered medication. Not sure he should be released into society actually.

It's a good thing you aren't a part of the justice system, because revenge isn't justice.

If he requires medication for a condition that caused the death of another human being in such a violent fashion then at the very least he needs to be registered and required to do check ins for the rest of his life. We do this for sexual predators.

In essence, if he has not had any medication and was deemed fit for release then that is fine.

But if he is still medicated throughout the revaluation then that condition of monitoring the usage of said medication needs to follow him until the day he dies.

@CreasianDevaili: Sexual predators are guilty for their crime. They were in their right state of mind. Unless stated otherwise of course.

You should use a thinner brush, less you wish to use primitive thinking. Justice is blind, and rehabilitation is for all, equally.

Regardless of origin, if medication is required for rehabilitation, then medication should be monitored and maintained.

Remember, young one, that we are not medicating Will Baker. Such primitive thinking is so 1950, pah.

@CreasianDevaili: Thats up to the doctor to decide now isnt it. Unless of course you want to go back to primitive thinking where man with no experience dictates those with?

Yeah, so? Dick Cheney is running free too.

I don't believe the insanity claim.

Ah, young one, such vibrant primitive thoughts!

Not all agree, in the medical field, with the absolute release vs a conditioned release. Legality wise, there is nothing holding that medical board liable for giving him an absolute release. Just like DA's office isn't liable for putting people away with circumstantial evidence.

So I agree.

@CreasianDevaili: Thats not up to us to decide. Leave it to the experienced.

Based on what?

Eh, I have to go pick up some pizza but didn't you realize you insulted yourself up above with the primitive thoughts about weighing in on something you have no experience with?

I mean if that is the case, then your thought process must be as primitive as a caveman using his shit to draw pictures on a cave wall in regards to making judgements against Trump.

Just saying! Give yourself a little more time before you respond like that.

@CreasianDevaili: Im just saying im not a doctor who can decide such things.

Amen. Canada is stupid on this one. There is no cure for schizophrenia.

Sexual predators also have a mental illness. However, they can choose to act upon their thoughts or not. There are plenty of paedophiles that keep to themselves. Someone with severe schizophrenia like Vince Li (I don't think he should be allowed to change his name tbh) doesn't necessarily have control over his thoughts or actions.

Honestly, through all of this, I blame China for dumping their problem on us.

@foxhound_fox: Unless otherwise stated by a doctor, theyre in their right state of mind when committing the crime. I see no issue with him changing his name, he has that right.

@iandizion713 is a 45 year old, 5'4", 450 lb closet conservative who live's in his mother's basement. He works 10 hours a week at Taco Bell and hasn't seen his feet in 20 years. The only time he moves is when he is 'helping' others help him into a contractor-grade wheelbarrow so they can push him to work, or when he scoots to the right so his mom can switch out the bucket.

Lol, what was that insult for?

@perfect_blue: from the article "His doctors described him as a model patient who had not been treated for schizophrenia at the time of his attack. After his arrest and placement at the hospital, he responded well to medication and understood that he must continue to take it to keep his illness at bay, they said."

He had not been treated for schizophrenia before the medication which led him to plead schizophrenia after the crime.

@playmynutz: "which led him to plead schizophrenia after the crime."

It seems schizophrenia/mental illness is the key to escape prison.

So? That doesn't mean he's faking lol wtf. What an absurd conclusion to come to.

I'm amazed that you know more about the man after reading an article for 5 minutes than doctors who have treated him for 8 years. The hubris is outstanding.

@iandizion713: I couldn't help myself.

Whether you're mentally ill or not, if YOU physically committed the crime you should be receiving the full charges,

in America that's how it is.

In America he'd probably get raped in prison then let out to make room for another drug user.

Good luck trying to fool a clinical psychologist.

@perfect_blue: 8 years of treatment before he committed the crime? His psychologist has blood on his hands for not doing a good job. At least revoke his license for having his patient chop a man's head off.

@FireEmblem_Man:

Don't the same rules apply in usa? But for avoiding the death penalty?

Why? If he literally wasn't "himself" while committing the crime, how could he deserve the sentence?

You should learn some more about schizophrenia, because you don't seem to understand what it means to be not criminally responsible.

Pleas of insanity are not supposed to be get out of jail free cards. They entitle you to a mental hospital stay ,a decades long one in his case, nothing more or less.

They're not super geniuses. I fooled multiple therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists. I imagine any competent sociopath could do it quite easily.

Of course a victim should have their feelings accounted for. The other part of the equation is the safety of the public at large. All too often, people with mental problems stop taking their medication and go on crazy sprees. The person above killed someone and ate said person. Who is to say that he will not do such again should he decide he does not want to take his medicine anymore? There are problems with the justice system when people are released without constant supervision after having committed heinous crimes such as this and it happening again. Is someone gonna be there every morning and evening to ensure he is taking his meds? Doubtful, so how can those doctors be so sure he will never stop taking them? The public safety is key to whether or not someone should be released.

I have a feeling that Vince Li is not a sociopath.