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#1 G-O-M-J
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Talking about women as if there nothing more than objects, bragging about how much money they have, how many people they have supposedly killed. Does this seem pathetic to you guys? I mean they're sending a really bad message and people just lap it up. Who here listens to 50 cent? show yourselves..

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Yeah, I can't stand music that sends a bad message Now, excuse me while I go listen to some Cannibal Corpse
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I keep a cutie with a soft booty hoes be running up can I get your autograph L no b*tch Im off duty
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I'm not gonna lie, when I finish my PhD I'm gonna go on a "Fawk You" rampage.
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#5 DaJuicyMan
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Most mainstream music, genre ignored, sucks and much of it also has no/bad messages.

No need to try and villianize hip-hop..

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#6 G-O-M-J
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Yeah, I can't stand music that sends a bad message Now, excuse me while I go listen to some Cannibal CorpseSteverXIII
Now that **** disturbing.

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#7 Sunfyre7896
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Hipsters unite

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What do you think of this song Im listening to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm1Urn2xcmQ

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What do you think of this song Im listening to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm1Urn2xcmQ

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Webbie still makes music? The only song I know from him was Independent, and when he was with Boosie.
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#10 DarkGamer007
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I don't care how crude some Rap is, it is still awesome.

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#11 JustBeYourself
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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]Yeah, I can't stand music that sends a bad message Now, excuse me while I go listen to some Cannibal Corpse

It totally sends a bad message and has created an army of wannabe gangstas who thinks that is what they should be aiming for in life. The Alpha Male hip-hop caricature propagated in a lot of gangsta rap and hip hop has definitely been a negative force on modern society. Frankly I'm surprised if there's anyone who agrees with that who's actually set their foot out the door and gone into the real world. No good can come of young people looking up to people who brag about killing, crime and misogyny.
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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

What do you think of this song Im listening to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm1Urn2xcmQ

Fightingfan

Webbie still makes music? The only song I know from him was Independent, and when he was with Boosie.

Yup,he had an album out last year savage life 3

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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]Yeah, I can't stand music that sends a bad message Now, excuse me while I go listen to some Cannibal CorpseJustBeYourself
It totally sends a bad message and has created an army of wannabe gangstas who thinks that is what they should be aiming for in life. The Alpha Male hip-hop caricature propagated in a lot of gangsta rap and hip hop has definitely been a negative force on modern society. Frankly I'm surprised if there's anyone who agrees with that who's actually set their foot out the door and gone into the real world. No good can come of young people looking up to people who brag about killing, crime and misogyny.

No good can come out of young people who playing video games that depict graphic violence, sexualizes women, and use crude and harsh language. Video games have clearly been a negative force on modern society. I mean just look outside with all these school shootings!

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No good can come out of young people who playing video games that depict graphic violence, sexualizes women, and use crude and harsh language. Video games have clearly been a negative force on modern society. I mean just look outside with all these school shootings!DarkGamer007
Well if someone did "look up" to Tommy Vercetti or something then I imagine that wouldn't be a very good thing, wouldn't you agree? But video game character's aren't even real, you won't find many people looking up or idolizing a video game character but you will a real, actual PERSON.
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#15 G-O-M-J
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What do you think of this song Im listening to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm1Urn2xcmQ

Bucked20
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]No good can come out of young people who playing video games that depict graphic violence, sexualizes women, and use crude and harsh language. Video games have clearly been a negative force on modern society. I mean just look outside with all these school shootings!JustBeYourself
Well if someone did "look up" to Tommy Vercetti or something then I imagine that wouldn't be a very good thing, wouldn't you agree? But video game character's aren't even real, you won't find many people looking up or idolizing a video game character but you will a real, actual PERSON.

The same thing could be said about any entertainer, doesn't mean their work negatively influences people, or that they negatively influence people. Blaming rap music solves nothing, and is just a scapegoat for something that is either a lack of education and thought by a person or parenting. To go with my example, true you will not find many people idolizing a video game character, but hey its interactive, the player is the one chainsawing someone in half, beating someone with a baseball bat, and shooting people.

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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]No good can come out of young people who playing video games that depict graphic violence, sexualizes women, and use crude and harsh language. Video games have clearly been a negative force on modern society. I mean just look outside with all these school shootings!JustBeYourself
Well if someone did "look up" to Tommy Vercetti or something then I imagine that wouldn't be a very good thing, wouldn't you agree? But video game character's aren't even real, you won't find many people looking up or idolizing a video game character but you will a real, actual PERSON.

Lots of these gangsta rappers are fake too. They're creating a character for themselves much like an actor who plays a drug dealer. There are definitely some out there who really live the life they claim to live but a lot of times it's all an act.

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#18 freek666
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no sadder than songs about war or how bruno mars wants to protect every fat girl he can
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The same thing could be said about any entertainer, doesn't mean their work negatively influences people, or that they negatively influence people. Blaming rap music solves nothing, and is just a scapegoat for something that is either a lack of education and thought by a person or parenting. To go with my example, true you will not find many people idolizing a video game character, but hey its interactive, the player is the one chainsawing someone in half, beating someone with a baseball bat, and shooting people.DarkGamer007
Um I'm saying that the propagation of a violent, misogynist alpha male caricature negatively affects many young people, especially those who are more easily influenced. People look up to singers/artists and often grow to respect what they say and how they act - if said artist is rapping about how women are worthless and that a true man is always carrying a gun - how is that not a bad thing? Your counterargument seems to be saying "you can't blame rap for everything" but that doesn't at all refute what i'm saying which is that overall it does have a tangibly negative influence on many young people - how they act, think and see the world.
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#20 G-O-M-J
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I most listen to metal but these raps are very good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvUMr1-AAU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBNeD57-RVg&feature=fvst
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#21 JML897
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JustBeYourself must also hate violent video games and that devilish rock n roll music.
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#22 Vader993
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Many rappers are too narcissistic and misogynistic for me. I don't have a problem with people listening to it though.
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#23 JustBeYourself
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JustBeYourself must also hate violent video games and that devilish rock n roll music. JML897
I think I've clearly established the difference between video games and gangsta rap. Maybe you should read what I write before talking about me :-)
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#24 JML897
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[QUOTE="JML897"]JustBeYourself must also hate violent video games and that devilish rock n roll music. JustBeYourself
I think I've clearly established the difference between video games and gangsta rap. Maybe you should read what I write before talking about me :-)

"Video games are okay because I play video games"
"Rap music is a bad influence because I don't like rap music"

Let's be real, that's basically your argument. What you've been saying is no better than the old out-of-touch people who wanted to ban some rock music in the 80s & 90s.

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I keep a cutie with a soft booty hoes be running up can I get your autograph L no b*tch Im off duty Bucked20
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You described essentially what most 'radio music' is.
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]The same thing could be said about any entertainer, doesn't mean their work negatively influences people, or that they negatively influence people. Blaming rap music solves nothing, and is just a scapegoat for something that is either a lack of education and thought by a person or parenting. To go with my example, true you will not find many people idolizing a video game character, but hey its interactive, the player is the one chainsawing someone in half, beating someone with a baseball bat, and shooting people.JustBeYourself
Um I'm saying that the propagation of a violent, misogynist alpha male caricature negatively affects many young people, especially those who are more easily influenced. People look up to singers/artists and often grow to respect what they say and how they act - if said artist is rapping about how women are worthless and that a true man is always carrying a gun - how is that not a bad thing? Your counterargument seems to be saying "you can't blame rap for everything" but that doesn't at all refute what i'm saying which is that overall it does have a tangibly negative influence on many young people - how they act, think and see the world.

What I'm saying is the propagation of violence, and objetification of women for entertainment purposes negatively affects many young people, especially those who are more easily influenced. People play vidoe video games and often grow desensatized for what they saw and played - if said video game depicts people being cut in half, beaten to death and making women merely objects for pleasure - how is that not a bad thing? Your counterargument seems to be saying that rap is a negative influence while ignoring every other facet of life that is filled with many could be negative influences, such as video games, movies, books, and other genres of music. What I am saying is that is it possible for art to affect someone negatively? Yes ofcourse it can, but there are plenty of people who listen to rap and are nice, respectful, and peaceful people. The whole "rap music is bad for the children" argument is just as stupid and irrelavent as the "video games caused Colombine" argument. You are using rap music as a scapegoat for stupidity, lack of direction, poor environments, and/or bad parenting. People have been doing stupid things, commiting crimes, committing horrible attrocities, and being violent and mysoginistic well before rap music, well before video games, well before movies, comics, and Buddy Holly. I think saying that any of these mediums have a widespread negative impact on people is completely false. Yeah maybe they will negatively affect a small number of people, but that will be true of anything.

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#28 TH1Sx1SxSPARTA
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gangsta rap made me do it
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You are using rap music as a scapegoat for stupidity, lack of direction, poor environments, and/or bad parenting. People have been doing stupid things, commiting crimes, committing horrible attrocities, and being violent and mysoginistic well before rap music, well before video games, well before movies, comics, and Buddy Holly. I think saying that any of these mediums have a widespread negative impact on people is completely false. Yeah maybe they will negatively affect a small number of people, but that will be true of anything.DarkGamer007
 No, I'm not using rap as a scapegoat. I'm simply stating the fact that rap music that uses violent and misogynistic imagery negatively influences a lot of young people and how they think and view the world. You call those people a "small" group but its really not as small as you think. And obviously most of the people most affected are those who grew up in a poor enviroment often with a missing father figure etc......but that's not the issue here. Rap music doesn't make that situation better, it makes it worse. You need to stop trying to go into some mode where you have all these pre-programmed responses and assumptions like "He's blaming rap for EVERYTHING!" and actually read what people are saying.
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]You are using rap music as a scapegoat for stupidity, lack of direction, poor environments, and/or bad parenting. People have been doing stupid things, commiting crimes, committing horrible attrocities, and being violent and mysoginistic well before rap music, well before video games, well before movies, comics, and Buddy Holly. I think saying that any of these mediums have a widespread negative impact on people is completely false. Yeah maybe they will negatively affect a small number of people, but that will be true of anything.JustBeYourself
 No, I'm not using rap as a scapegoat. I'm simply stating the fact that rap music that uses violent and misogynistic imagery negatively influences a lot of young people and how they think and view the world. You call those people a "small" group but its really not as small as you think. And obviously most of the people most affected are those who grew up in a poor enviroment often with a missing father figure etc......but that's not the issue here. Rap music doesn't make that situation better, it makes it worse. You need to stop trying to go into some mode where you have all these pre-programmed responses and assumptions like "He's blaming rap for EVERYTHING!" and actually read what people are saying.

I am reading what you are saying. You are saying that rap music has a negative influence on people. So can I ask you how you feel about video games, movies, books, and every other person that is considered relavent or important to a mass population?

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I am reading what you are saying. You are saying that rap music has a negative influence on people. So can I ask you how you feel about video games, movies, books, and every other person that is considered relavent or important to a mass population?DarkGamer007
I'm not saying it has a negative influence on everyone and I'm well aware plenty of people are smart enough to not take what rappers say seriously Regarding movies/games/books............I don't know if you've noticed but when it comes to musical artists, people tend to get a lot more attached to them and what they're saying than they are of some violent video game or book character. As for movies....are there really many people looking up to violent movie characters? Definitely nothing compared to music.
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Talking about women as if there nothing more than objects, bragging about how much money they have, how many people they have supposedly killed. Does this seem pathetic to you guys? I mean they're sending a really bad message and people just lap it up. Who here listens to 50 cent? show yourselves..

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You should try listening to Danny Brown then. I can suggest more if you like that.

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#34 kris9031998
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For rap, i just know that mainstream will always be bad, honestly. I listen to Dan bull for my rap needs, i mean he raps about games too :P
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I most listen to metal but these raps are very good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvUMr1-AAU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBNeD57-RVg&feature=fvstG-O-M-J
I was just browsing thorugh some of the new metal, it it just awful. I can´t decide whether the mainstream metal or the not so known metal is most awful. That genre has been soulless since the 70´s.

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I don't even know whats mainstream anymore.
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#37 TH1Sx1SxSPARTA
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if you listen to mainstream rap. your doing it wrong
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]I am reading what you are saying. You are saying that rap music has a negative influence on people. So can I ask you how you feel about video games, movies, books, and every other person that is considered relavent or important to a mass population?JustBeYourself
I'm not saying it has a negative influence on everyone and I'm well aware plenty of people are smart enough to not take what rappers say seriously Regarding movies/games/books............I don't know if you've noticed but when it comes to musical artists, people tend to get a lot more attached to them and what they're saying than they are of some violent video game or book character. As for movies....are there really many people looking up to violent movie characters? Definitely nothing compared to music.

People can be just as influenced by a book, movie, or video game as they can a musical artist. Arguing that rap music makes a situation worse is illogical in my opinion, real world violence and nature will be far more destructive and influential than any spoken words. **** da Police" did not spread anti-police sediment, the negative views of the police held by people due to bad encounters with the police spread anti-police sediment.

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why diss 50? hes atleast decent when he wants to be, hustlers ambition
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People can be just as influenced by a book, movie, or video game as they can a musical artist. Arguing that rap music makes a situation worse is illogical in my opinion, real world violence and nature will be far more destructive and influential than any spoken words. **** da Police" did not spread anti-police sediment, the negative views of the police held by people due to bad encounters with the police spread anti-police sediment.DarkGamer007
Can people be influenced by books/movies/video games? Yeah sure, but I've already explained the distinction - video game and movie characters that display misogynistic/violent attitudes simply aren't as likely to influence anywhere near as many young people. And maybe if a book encouraging people to view women as objects and that gang culture is awesome sells a million copies, I'll be a bit more worried about books. And just how many movies have a character that is violent and misogynistic and paints them in a good light to be admired? I'm making the distinction very clear, I don't see why you're pretending like music is in the same boat as books/movies/video games because they're quite evidently not. You're viewing this in a very shallow manner that doesn't relate to the real world.
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There are a couple "mainstream" rappers that avoid being a stereotype

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#42 JustBeYourself
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There are a couple "mainstream" rappers that avoid being a stereotype

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Chamillionaire for example, his music is pretty awesome
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[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

There are a couple "mainstream" rappers that avoid being a stereotype

JustBeYourself
Chamillionaire for example, his music is pretty awesome

He still is a stereotype though
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]People can be just as influenced by a book, movie, or video game as they can a musical artist. Arguing that rap music makes a situation worse is illogical in my opinion, real world violence and nature will be far more destructive and influential than any spoken words. **** da Police" did not spread anti-police sediment, the negative views of the police held by people due to bad encounters with the police spread anti-police sediment.JustBeYourself
Can people be influenced by books/movies/video games? Yeah sure, but I've already explained the distinction - video game and movie characters that display misogynistic/violent attitudes simply aren't as likely to influence anywhere near as many young people. And maybe if a book encouraging people to view women as objects and that gang culture is awesome sells a million copies, I'll be a bit more worried about books. And just how many movies have a character that is violent and misogynistic and paints them in a good light to be admired? I'm making the distinction very clear, I don't see why you're pretending like music is in the same boat as books/movies/video games because they're quite evidently not. You're viewing this in a very shallow manner that doesn't relate to the real world.

Where's your evidence then? I'm pretty sure they are in the same boat.

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[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

There are a couple "mainstream" rappers that avoid being a stereotype

kingkong0124

Chamillionaire for example, his music is pretty awesome

He still is a stereotype though

At least he tried to move away from that in his second album, which wasn't all that bad to be honest

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#46 Bucked20
Member since 2011 • 6651 Posts

50 still good what you think about this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wle7aaKAF0

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#47 cmpepper23
Member since 2005 • 3281 Posts

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] Chamillionaire for example, his music is pretty awesomeWolf-Man2006

He still is a stereotype though

At least he tried to move away from that in his second album, which wasn't all that bad to be honest

It was good and one of the better produced albums of that time.

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#48 Wolf-Man2006
Member since 2006 • 4187 Posts

50 still good what you think about this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wle7aaKAF0

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Meh... Still as monotone and boring as ever

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#49 barren_176
Member since 2011 • 1441 Posts

This is why I listen to bands like Shinedown. Real music with a good message.

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#50 Bucked20
Member since 2011 • 6651 Posts

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

50 still good what you think about this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wle7aaKAF0

Wolf-Man2006

Meh... Still as monotone and boring as ever

Its not suppose to be a hype song