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[QUOTE="rolo107"]So they tease Sayid's death in the premiere, and then kill him soon after? I doubt it, if he dies it's in the finale or not at all. They hinted at him having a lot of importance too, I'm sure all do but maybe him moreso. Regardless, he got shot in Season 5 Finale, it'd be redundant for him to die this season; if he lived that shot, which he did. sammyjenkis898

I think Jacob is in Sayid.

OBVIOUS SPOILERS! I also henceforth say that we don't need to use spoiler tags. Since anyone who doesn't watch the show shouldn't be reading a discussion on the show. If someone gets stuff spoiled, it's their fault for reading a discussion about the first two episodes without having seen the first two episodes.

That's plausible.

Is the smoke monster the other guy who was with Jacob back when the statue was whole? Can someone remember what was going on in that scene? I forget the details, but I vaguely remember Jacob and the other guy sitting on a beach at the foot of the statue, with the other dude saying something like, "you know I'm going to have to kill you" or something like that.

Anyway, that scene is certainly HUGELY important given the recent appearance of Jacob and events directly surrounding him.I just wish I could remember exactly what happened.

Anyway, as repeated many times, "dead is dead". And Sayid died. Either there's something VERY unique going on with Sayid, or it's something more obvious...that's not Sayid.

And if the smoke monster wanted to kill Jacob in order to escape, if the people at the temple were horrified at the news of Jacob's death and went into lockdown mode to prevent "him" from getting in, it seems likely that "him" is the smoke monster. AKA Flocke, who I think may be the dude who was with Jacob at the statue in that distant flashback. Smoke monster (Flocke) killed Jacob and his next stop is the temple because the temple holds the means necessary for Flocke to "go home".

Meanwhile Jacob (after having been killed) sent Sayid to the temple for a reason. Not so that Sayid would be saved, but so that Sayid would DIE. Jacob needs Sayid to die in order to take the place of Sayid, but it HAS to be done in the Temple. Sayid MUST die in the waters of the temple. That's actually something that I'm sort of leaning towards.

But I think that Sayid really IS dead. And IF he really is dead, then I think there's a good chance that revived Sayid is in fact Jacob.

So if smoky is in the business of taking on the form of people that arrive on the island in a coffin, is it safe to say that smoky was also Jack's dad?

Also, I'm confused to the "loophole". It seems that all that was needed was smoky to convince a mortal to stab Jacob. And Benhad a point, why didn't Jacob fight back?

DaBrainz

Jacob didn't fight back because he knew that he needed to die. Only a few hours after being killed, Hurley opened up a guitar case containing a message that Sayid must not die. I think that for whatever reason it was Jacob's PLAN to die all along.

And yes, I think it is plausible that Island Christian is also the smoke monster. Just as the smoke monster took on the form of Alex, the smoke monster can apparently take on the form of those who are dead. We know that the smoke monster became Alex, we know that the smoke monster became Locke, it is absolutely plausible that Christian on the island was just the smoke monster. Particularly when we factor in that it was Christian who told Locke how to leave the island. That wasn't Christian, it was the smoke monster. The smoke monster needed Locke to leave (and subsequently die) so that the smoke monster could take advantage of acting as Locke.

Anyway, I'm not saying that that's definitively true, but it is very very plausible.

Just a thought about Jacob in sayid's body. Keep in mind that locke's body wasn't actually possessed but it was a totally different physical entity that took the form of locke. Since it Sayid's original body that woke up, I think its actually just sayid.

DaBrainz

I considered that, and that's a big crack in my argument. We've never yet seen anyone get possessed, just multiple cases of Jacob and The Smoke Monster taking the form of those who have died.

But I still think that it's Jacob. As far as the "possession" goes, I suspect that it has something to do with the waters of the temple. And that Jacob specifically needed to inhabit an actual body, which is why it was so important for Sayid to be brought to the Temple.

Jacob or not, there is something extremely important about the waters of the temple. And Jacob or no, I'm pretty sure that the real Sayid is actually DEAD. Whoever that is, it's NOT Sayid. It's been repeated numerous times in the series that the island can heal, but that you don't come back from death. I'm not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE that this is the real Sayid. I'm just saying that if so, that'll be the first time that's ever happened in the entire series. I don't think it's likely. More likely is that SOMETHING is inhabiting Sayid's body, and that Sayid is dead. And if that's the case, then the most likely choice for WHAT is inhabiting Sayid's body is Jacob. It was Jacob who got Hurley to bring the guitar case. It was Jacob who told Hurley to take Sayid to The Temple (and Jacob knew they'd be captured...Sayid never would have gotten to the temple of they weren't captured). It was Jacob who the Temple Dwellers were scared ****less of disobeying.

And keep in mind that if Jacob knew that taking Sayid to the wall would get the survivors captured, then he also knew that Sayid WOULD die if he was brought to The Temple. That's what Jacob wanted. And if that's all part of Jacob's plan, if Jacob is REALLY there taking the form of a "spirit" that only Hurley can see, then it's plausible that whatever is inhabiting Sayid's body is in fact Jacob.

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]The next episode is Kate-centric. :(blackngold29

Yeah, considering that this is the last season, I'm hoping that there won't be any more episodes that are just excuses to fill time. There are a lot of questions remaining, probably too many to even answer. So they ought to be done with the filler episodes.

More likely is that SOMETHING is inhabiting Sayid's body, and that Sayid is dead. And if that's the case, then the most likely choice for WHAT is inhabiting Sayid's body is Jacob. It was Jacob who got Hurley to bring the guitar case. It was Jacob who told Hurley to take Sayid to The Temple (and Jacob knew they'd be captured...Sayid never would have gotten to the temple of they weren't captured). It was Jacob who the Temple Dwellers were scared ****less of disobeying.

MrGeezer

It has actually already been confirmed by the creators that something is inhabiting Sayid's body.

Why would the smoke monster appear to Locke as Christian? why Christian?Mkavanaugh77

Not sure, but I'll bet it has something to do with how Oceanic Airlines lost Christian's body.

I'm sure that losing Jack's dad's body is NOT coincidental, and likely ties in to why Jack's dad was seen walking around so often on the island.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]More likely is that SOMETHING is inhabiting Sayid's body, and that Sayid is dead. And if that's the case, then the most likely choice for WHAT is inhabiting Sayid's body is Jacob. It was Jacob who got Hurley to bring the guitar case. It was Jacob who told Hurley to take Sayid to The Temple (and Jacob knew they'd be captured...Sayid never would have gotten to the temple of they weren't captured). It was Jacob who the Temple Dwellers were scared ****less of disobeying.

sammyjenkis898

It has actually already been confirmed by the creators that something is inhabiting Sayid's body.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]More likely is that SOMETHING is inhabiting Sayid's body, and that Sayid is dead. And if that's the case, then the most likely choice for WHAT is inhabiting Sayid's body is Jacob. It was Jacob who got Hurley to bring the guitar case. It was Jacob who told Hurley to take Sayid to The Temple (and Jacob knew they'd be captured...Sayid never would have gotten to the temple of they weren't captured). It was Jacob who the Temple Dwellers were scared ****less of disobeying.

It has actually already been confirmed by the creators that something is inhabiting Sayid's body.

It has actually already been confirmed by the creators that something is inhabiting Sayid's body.

Is the smoke monster the other guy who was with Jacob back when the statue was whole? Can someone remember what was going on in that scene? I forget the details, but I vaguely remember Jacob and the other guy sitting on a beach at the foot of the statue, with the other dude saying something like, "you know I'm going to have to kill you" or something like that.

MrGeezer

Okay, just found that episode and watched it again. Jacob is in the statue weaving, when he leaves and sits on the beach to watch a 1500's era boat approach the island. Another man comes and sits down next to him.

Jacob: I take it you're here because of the ship.

Man in Black: I am.

MIB: How did they find the island?

Jacob: You'll have to ask them when they get here.

MIB: I don't have to ask. You brought them here. You're trying to prove me wrong, aren't you?

Jacob: You ARE wrong.

MIB: Am I? They come, fight, destroy, and then corrupt. It always ends the same.

Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

MIB: Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?

Jacob: Yes.

MIB: One of these days, sooner or later, I'm going to find a loophole my friend.

Jacob: Well when you do, I'll be right here.

MIB: Always nice talking to you, Jacob.

Jacob: Nice talking to you too.

*Man in Black walks back into the jungle*

This looks to be EXTREMELY important. No hard answers, but this exchange provides a LOT of clues.

Especially when considered after watching the season 6 premiere, we know that Locke IS dead. There is STRONG reason to believe that the mysterious black-clad islander IS the smoke monster IS Locke.

Jacob brought that ship to the island, exactly as how he brought Oceanic flight 815 to the island. And just as how the mysterious smoke man was waiting when Jacob brought the 1500s vessel to the island, the smoke monster was waiting and immediately attacked when Jacob brought the plane to the island. And just as that man DID eventually kill Jacob, Jacob knew that that day was coming. He knew it had to come, he expected and planned for it to come, and I'm sure that that's why Jacob needed Sayid to be brought to the temple.

Locke is OBVIOUSLY the man in black who talks with Jacob in the final season of episode 5. The big question here is what Jacob has up his sleeve. Jacob has brought people to the island before. And it has ALWAYS ended with people "fighting, corrupting, and then destroying". The question is why Oceanic fligt 815 is different. The end of season 5 points to the plane crash being mere routine. Just another thing that's happened many times in the past, and always ends the same way.

But as Jacob says, "It only ends once. Anything that happens before then is just progress."

So if we consider everything that ever happened in Lost to be merely Jacob's idea of "progress", then what is Jacob progressing towards? Why did Jacob decide that THIS was his time to die? What is JACOB'S plan?

It's easy to dismiss the smoke monster/the man in black/Fake Locke as a villain. But him and Jacob are obviously the two big players controlling absolutely everything. Just as Ben went from being a bad guy to a good guy, multiple times, we're dealing with two conflicting interests with deep secrets. And we don't know what Jacob's motives are. At least the smoke monster has provided some (albeit possibly misleading) explanation. Smoke monster wants to go home (wherever "home" may be). But Jacob? We don't know. For what purpose is Jacob keeping the smoke monster from leaving, and for what purpose is Jacob working towards when he clearly chose to decide the time of his own death. We know the smoke monster's (stated) goal, but what is JACOB'S goal?

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]More likely is that SOMETHING is inhabiting Sayid's body, and that Sayid is dead. And if that's the case, then the most likely choice for WHAT is inhabiting Sayid's body is Jacob. It was Jacob who got Hurley to bring the guitar case. It was Jacob who told Hurley to take Sayid to The Temple (and Jacob knew they'd be captured...Sayid never would have gotten to the temple of they weren't captured). It was Jacob who the Temple Dwellers were scared ****less of disobeying.

xaos

It has actually already been confirmed by the creators that something is inhabiting Sayid's body.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]What I'm wondering is what Richard was talking about when he told Sun, "I watched them all die." When did this happen? Ultrabeatdown55

Exactly. I have no idea how that's going to be played out - or if it will.

[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]What I'm wondering is what Richard was talking about when he told Sun, "I watched them all die." When did this happen? sammyjenkis898

Exactly. I have no idea how that's going to be played out - or if it will.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"]Oh yes this has me thinking, if in 1977, the bomb sunk the island, than he would have died also because he was on the island, thus making him not see them die... Interesting.Ultrabeatdown55

Exactly. I have no idea how that's going to be played out - or if it will.

I would. Saying I watched a good portion of the main characters die is a pretty huge claim to make. They can't just pretend that he never said it.

[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"]

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

Exactly. I have no idea how that's going to be played out - or if it will.

sammyjenkis898

I would. Saying I watched a good portion of the main characters die is a pretty huge claim to make. They can't just pretend that he never said it.

I don't recall Richard saaying that. But I always assumed that we'd see many of the main characters get wiped out, since they initiated themselves into the Dharma initiative and we know that the Dharma folks get wiped out.

I mean you guys remember the mass grave full of Dharma folks, right?

And if I recall, wasn't one of the main characterts wearing the "Workman" uniform? I recall this being the same uniformn that the corpse was wearing when Hurley found the van.

We're dealing with multiple timelines and who knows which timelines are relevant. But at some point, the entire Dharma Initiative sort of DOES have to get wiped out, along with everyone who's with them. The mass graves and the dead worker in the van aren't a red herring, I don't suspect. That **** is gonna happen.

Thats true, but they probably didn't exactly know the island was going to go underwater. I'm sure they had some layout for the alt timeline, but I doubt having the island underwater was one of them.Ultrabeatdown55

Who are you referring to when you say "they"?

I don't recall Richard saaying that. But I always assumed that we'd see many of the main characters get wiped out, since they initiated themselves into the Dharma initiative and we know that the Dharma folks get wiped out.

MrGeezer

Ben showed up behind Locke, with Sun. Locke told Alpert that Ben helped him get to the island. Ben told Sun Alpert was "like, an advisor" and he'd been at the job "for a very, very long time." Sun ran to Alpert and asked if he remembered Jin, Jack, Kate, Hurley and the rest of the group from 1977. Alpert said he remembered them very clearly, "because I watched them all die."

[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"]I hope it does. I won't necessarily be disappointed if it doesn't get answered though.

I would. Saying I watched a good portion of the main characters die is a pretty huge claim to make. They can't just pretend that he never said it.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I don't recall Richard saaying that. But I always assumed that we'd see many of the main characters get wiped out, since they initiated themselves into the Dharma initiative and we know that the Dharma folks get wiped out.

sammyjenkis898

Ben showed up behind Locke, with Sun. Locke told Alpert that Ben helped him get to the island. Ben told Sun Alpert was "like, an advisor" and he'd been at the job "for a very, very long time." Sun ran to Alpert and asked if he remembered Jin, Jack, Kate, Hurley and the rest of the group from 1977. Alpert said he remembered them very clearly, "because I watched them all die."

I was dwelling over this an hour ago. Is there a third alternate reality they're just ignoring?? Or is Alpert able to see into the other timeline (as Juliet seemed to do) and "recall" seeing them all die? Hmm.

I was dwelling over this an hour ago. Is there a third alternate reality they're just ignoring?? Or is Alpert able to see into the other timeline (as Juliet seemed to do) and "recall" seeing them all die? Hmm.

joehandel

A) Your theory could be correct.

B) They could prove what he was talking about some time this season.

C) It's just really bad writing.

It can be either one of those.

:P

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Just a thought about Jacob in sayid's body. Keep in mind that locke's body wasn't actually possessed but it was a totally different physical entity that took the form of locke. Since it Sayid's original body that woke up, I think its actually just sayid.

MrGeezer

I considered that, and that's a big crack in my argument. We've never yet seen anyone get possessed, just multiple cases of Jacob and The Smoke Monster taking the form of those who have died.

Regarding this. After last season ended I realized something that didn't make sense. If Mr Black had duplicated Locke's body, what about the rest of the bodies on the island? So I went back and checked old episodes. The episode where Eko see's his dead brother, he gets locke to take him to the drug plane so he can have a look at his brother's body.
The body, however, is gone. We know it was there before though, because we saw the body there in an even earlier episode with boone. So, Yemi's body was just inhabited rather than duplicated? Why? Yet the smoke monster shows up and kills Eko when Eko chases Yemi in the jungle. Either it's a flaw or maybe Locke's case is special, and his body somehow can't be inhabited.
Also note, Christians body wasn't in the coffin in the first season. Why was Locke's body duplicated when previous dead people have just been able to up and walk?!? Has me confuzzled.

[QUOTE="joehandel"]

I was dwelling over this an hour ago. Is there a third alternate reality they're just ignoring?? Or is Alpert able to see into the other timeline (as Juliet seemed to do) and "recall" seeing them all die? Hmm.

sammyjenkis898

A) Your theory could be correct.

B) They could prove what he was talking about some time this season.

C) It's just really bad writing.

It can be either one of those.

:P

I really hope not bad writing, it'd be a pretty bad flaw :P

Anyone notice Sayid's arm positions when they took him out of the fountain. Very akin to Christ, and next thing we know he rises from the dead. He could be Jacob, but I don't think Jacob is like MIB. Who takes on the appearance of the dead. It will probably end up with Sayid needing to die (again) or something to finally destroy Smokey.bobaban

In any case, if Sayid isn't Jacob, then I'm sure that Sayid is inhabited by an AGENT of Jacob.

[QUOTE="bobaban"]Anyone notice Sayid's arm positions when they took him out of the fountain. Very akin to Christ, and next thing we know he rises from the dead. He could be Jacob, but I don't think Jacob is like MIB. Who takes on the appearance of the dead. It will probably end up with Sayid needing to die (again) or something to finally destroy Smokey.MrGeezer

In any case, if Sayid isn't Jacob, then I'm sure that Sayid is inhabited by an AGENT of Jacob.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="bobaban"]Anyone notice Sayid's arm positions when they took him out of the fountain. Very akin to Christ, and next thing we know he rises from the dead. He could be Jacob, but I don't think Jacob is like MIB. Who takes on the appearance of the dead. It will probably end up with Sayid needing to die (again) or something to finally destroy Smokey.bobaban

In any case, if Sayid isn't Jacob, then I'm sure that Sayid is inhabited by an AGENT of Jacob.

Or...he's just acting as Sayid would act in such a situation.

Just as Fake Locke had to pass as Locke, it stands to reason that Fake Sayid would sort of need to act as if he's Sayid in order to accomplish what he needs to do. That could very well be a mere case of trying to appear confused in order so that no one realizes that he's a fake.

Or...maybe it really is Sayid.

I'm just saying that Sayid's comment doesn't really mean anything yet.

It's definitely not Sayid. We know that something is inhabiting his body, which means Sayid is dead.sammyjenkis898

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

I hope they bring back the 'real' Locke...

...they probably will, I have a hard time believing they'd kill off one of the most interesting characters...even if he is technically dead.

Then again 'dead' on Lost is kind of a loose term...:P

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

MrGeezer

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

MrGeezer

which means Sayid is dead.sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

martialbullet

Other than Jacob, that's the only other possibility that I'm even willing to consider. And even that's sketchy, because in hindsight it seems that a lot of the "fate" **** that was going on with Locke was simply the result of him being manipulated by forces such as The Smoke Monster. I sort of doubt that Sayid is now Locke. As Flocke said, Locke was a weak, frail, and pathetic man whose biggest difference from everyone else was in realizing how worthless his former life really was. But Locke does seem to be genuinely "special" in some way. It's not over with Locke, and even if he's truly and utterly dead, he will surely be extremely important in the alternate timeline.

But I don't see it being Locke in Sayid's body. Aside from Jacob, he's the only thing/person I've been willing to see as even being possible. But I don't think it's Locke, because he's just a mortal man. Not unless it's some sort of stuff about how death was what made him more than a man, and that he actually is equivalent to beings such as Jacob and The Smoke Monster. That's possible, but I don't see that as being likely.

Season premiere was great, but as usual cliffhangers make me angry.

[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"]Thats true, but they probably didn't exactly know the island was going to go underwater. I'm sure they had some layout for the alt timeline, but I doubt having the island underwater was one of them.MrGeezer

Who are you referring to when you say "they"?

[QUOTE="Ultrabeatdown55"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

I would. Saying I watched a good portion of the main characters die is a pretty huge claim to make. They can't just pretend that he never said it.

dave123321

It's definitely not Sayid. We know that something is inhabiting his body, which means Sayid is dead.sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="martialbullet"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

MrGeezer

Other than Jacob, that's the only other possibility that I'm even willing to consider. And even that's sketchy, because in hindsight it seems that a lot of the "fate" **** that was going on with Locke was simply the result of him being manipulated by forces such as The Smoke Monster. I sort of doubt that Sayid is now Locke. As Flocke said, Locke was a weak, frail, and pathetic man whose biggest difference from everyone else was in realizing how worthless his former life really was. But Locke does seem to be genuinely "special" in some way. It's not over with Locke, and even if he's truly and utterly dead, he will surely be extremely important in the alternate timeline.

But I don't see it being Locke in Sayid's body. Aside from Jacob, he's the only thing/person I've been willing to see as even being possible. But I don't think it's Locke, because he's just a mortal man. Not unless it's some sort of stuff about how death was what made him more than a man, and that he actually is equivalent to beings such as Jacob and The Smoke Monster. That's possible, but I don't see that as being likely.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Okay, so speculation time. If it's not Sayid, then who/what else could it be?

Logically (as if that even has much meaning when talking about a show like this), Jacob is the ONLY entity I can think of. And I'm not even really willing to conceive of any of the "ghosts" who previously appeared in the series, since every single one of them was likely a manifestation of either Jacob or the Smoke Monster. After all, once you're dead, you're dead.

So...who else COULD it be, other than Jacob?

bobaban

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="rolo107"]So they tease Sayid's death in the premiere, and then kill him soon after? I doubt it, if he dies it's in the finale or not at all. They hinted at him having a lot of importance too, I'm sure all do but maybe him moreso. Regardless, he got shot in Season 5 Finale, it'd be redundant for him to die this season; if he lived that shot, which he did. MrGeezer

I think Jacob is in Sayid.

OBVIOUS SPOILERS! I also henceforth say that we don't need to use spoiler tags. Since anyone who doesn't watch the show shouldn't be reading a discussion on the show. If someone gets stuff spoiled, it's their fault for reading a discussion about the first two episodes without having seen the first two episodes.

That's plausible.

Is the smoke monster the other guy who was with Jacob back when the statue was whole? Can someone remember what was going on in that scene? I forget the details, but I vaguely remember Jacob and the other guy sitting on a beach at the foot of the statue, with the other dude saying something like, "you know I'm going to have to kill you" or something like that.

Anyway, that scene is certainly HUGELY important given the recent appearance of Jacob and events directly surrounding him.I just wish I could remember exactly what happened.

Anyway, as repeated many times, "dead is dead". And Sayid died. Either there's something VERY unique going on with Sayid, or it's something more obvious...that's not Sayid.

And if the smoke monster wanted to kill Jacob in order to escape, if the people at the temple were horrified at the news of Jacob's death and went into lockdown mode to prevent "him" from getting in, it seems likely that "him" is the smoke monster. AKA Flocke, who I think may be the dude who was with Jacob at the statue in that distant flashback. Smoke monster (Flocke) killed Jacob and his next stop is the temple because the temple holds the means necessary for Flocke to "go home".

Meanwhile Jacob (after having been killed) sent Sayid to the temple for a reason. Not so that Sayid would be saved, but so that Sayid would DIE. Jacob needs Sayid to die in order to take the place of Sayid, but it HAS to be done in the Temple. Sayid MUST die in the waters of the temple. That's actually something that I'm sort of leaning towards.

But I think that Sayid really IS dead. And IF he really is dead, then I think there's a good chance that revived Sayid is in fact Jacob.

EDIT: whoops. saw your later post about it :P

[QUOTE="bobaban"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] Oh, I definitely agree it's Jacob. I also agree with what you speculated above, that he's just acting like Sayid so he can get to where he wants.

Ultrabeatdown55

Anyone think Juliet wasn't just talking gibberish when she told Sawyer to meet for coffee. Me thinks they will indeed do that later in the season.Travo_basic

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Anyone think Juliet wasn't just talking gibberish when she told Sawyer to meet for coffee. Me thinks they will indeed do that later in the season.xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Anyone think Juliet wasn't just talking gibberish when she told Sawyer to meet for coffee. Me thinks they will indeed do that later in the season.Travo_basic

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="xaos"] In the other frame you mean?xaos